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Jody Treadway

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Fighting driveline vibes on my wife's ZJ. Here's the deets, as the youngins say...

1998 ZJ, 3.5" lift on 32s. The ZJ had vibes when I first installed the lift years ago, but only 70 and above. Since we never drive it that fast, we didn't do anything about it. Earlier this year, I installed 4.56 gears to aid with performance and transmission longevity. After installing them, the same vibes were present, but now at 53 to 60.
It has the 242 transfer case and it is a very light wheeler. So I decided on the Hack n tap SYE from Iron Rock Offroad.
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The above is the style of SYE installed. I then installed a 1310 series double cardan shaft from @Oliver's because Dave builds awesome shafts and I run them in everything. His are all I install in my shop also.

Took it out for a test drive. Vibes are present from 40-50, but acceptable. However, from 50-55, they are very noticeable. From 55-61, it's like driving on rumble strips. Very unpleasant and unacceptable. Once you pass 61, they immediately dissapate and once again are acceptable. Our commute is about 18 miles on 55 MPH roads, so obvuously I need to fix this. Dave sent me a repalcement shaft, just in case, with no change.

Stats:
Driveshaft angle is 11.5*. Measured with angle meter on shaft.
Pinion angle has been set from 8*-12*. Measured on back of housing on machined flat surface where you would install a housing spreader for diff work.
No vibes with rear shaft removed.
All of the adjustments yielded no real change. Over 12* you start getting noise along with the vibes. This is obviously wrong, but I did so just to see what would happen.
The SYE flange is flat against the output shaft, dampened with RTV so no metal to metal contact. The splines are not bottomed out on the flange. 2" present on output shaft and 2.5" present on the flange.
The axle is centered left to right via the track bar bracket. No compound agles present.
On jack stands, the vibe and noise comes in just like on the road, no change.

The vibe is felt in the rear of the Jeep and can be felt in the chassis. Without a doubt it is coming from the rear. You can feel it in your butt while driving. It feels like incorrect driveline angle or a poorly balanced shaft. But the angles are correct and I trust Dave's work.

Looking for off the wall ideas here. I have installed literally hundreds of SYE/driveshaft combos over the years and never had an issue like this. I have never installed one of the IRO hack n tap kits, before but it is admittedly just cut off x" of shaft, drill, tap, install.

Ideas, suggestions and smart @$$ remarks will be equally appreciated.
 
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Remove rear driveshaft and take it down the road in 4H to eliminate a rear housing issue and the hack and tap along with the shaft.
 
I know a guy that thought he cut the tailshaft square but had vibes and he ended up putting the jeep in gear and using a grinder to get it square while it was spinning. However, he was using a flanged SYE rather than a yoke SYE. After he did that he had no more vibes. That still doesn't explain your vibes before the SYE though.
 
Just going out on a limb here....are the gears set up properly? :D :flipoff2:

Honestly surprised that I'm the first to make that joke :lol:

I feel like it could have something to do with the tailshaft and output flange.
 
Just going out on a limb here....are the gears set up properly? :D :flipoff2:

Honestly surprised that I'm the first to make that joke :lol:

I feel like it could have something to do with the tailshaft and output flange.

I heard about this place called Carolina gear and axle that does damn good work. Albeit, they spelled axel wrong.
 
I usually end up with vehicle on jack stands so the suspension is loaded. I run it up to speed in 2wd or 4wd with the help of an assistant. I touch different components with a rod such as a wooden dowel rod to pickup vibrations at different locations. Sometimes I use a piece of plastic hose held to my good ear to hear vibration noise “shade tree stethoscope “.
 
My vote is the hack and tap being junk. Or the shaft you cut was messed up/bent from the start.
 
Failing bearing in the tcase?
 
I know a guy that thought he cut the tailshaft square but had vibes and he ended up putting the jeep in gear and using a grinder to get it square while it was spinning. However, he was using a flanged SYE rather than a yoke SYE. After he did that he had no more vibes. That still doesn't explain your vibes before the SYE though.

The vibes before were due to having too much lift for the stock driveline. Lowering the gearing just made it come in at a lower speed.
I'll double-check the output shaft for square.
 
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The vibes before we're due to having too much lift for the stock driveline. Lowering the gearing just made it come in at a lower speed.
I'll double-check the output shaft for square.

So the vibes are constant for a given driveshaft rpm. If we eliminate driveshaft...then we start upstream rotational ...
 
So the vibes are constant for a given driveshaft rpm. If we eliminate driveshaft...then we start upstream rotational ...
No vibes are present with rear driveshaft removed. What is causing the driveshaft to vibe is the question. Flange, angle, etc
 
No vibes are present with rear driveshaft removed. What is causing the driveshaft to vibe is the question. Flange, angle, etc
Could the flange from Ironrock be the cause of the DS vibrating?
 
Could the flange from Ironrock be the cause of the DS vibrating?

It could be. I made sure it wasn't bottomed out without total engagement. I also made sure the cut was straight. The yoke spins true on the output shaft via the eyeball measuring device.
I'm reading through some NAXJA posts currently to see what others say there.
 
So, have you ran a dial indicator on the axle shaft flanges? Output shaft flanges? Pinion yokes? What was there any variance in the backlash when you setup the gears or now? How’s the balance on the rear tires? Road force balance on the tires?
 
Set jeep on stands with weight of rig on axle, put in gear and allow it to spin,watch the yokes, the drive shaft tube any thing that moves for erratic movement.
I found my Double Cardan not welded straight and tube not spinning true center, it doesn’t take much after that for vibes to get crazy.
Ultimately I got away from OEM CV and yokes and a slightly larger tube and finally no vibes for the last 3 years
 
And how does the axle tubes look going into the housing? With it not happening without weight the housing makes me wonder. Which have you checked backlash in multiple spots with load on the axle? Just curious not saying that’s what’s causing it but more data to go off of the better.
 
And how does the axle tubes look going into the housing? With it not happening without weight the housing makes me wonder. Which have you checked backlash in multiple spots with load on the axle? Just curious not saying that’s what’s causing it but more data to go off of the better.

The gears have been installed since July with zero issues at all. Same vibe it always had after being lifted, just at a lower vehicle speed.

Now it's totally different.
I wasn't clear earlier.
The vibes are totally different now with the SYE and DC shaft. Before (with 3.73 as well as current 4.56) it was a run of the mill lifted Jeep driveline chatter. Same as my mildly lifted 01 XJ. Tip in throttle, floating throttle vibe. Nothing to sweat.
Now with the SYE and DC shaft, it's literally like riding on rumblestrips from 55-60. Not throttle sensitive, not Accel/decel related.
Once you hit that speed range, the vibes come alive.
 
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