I had no idea Fentanyl was this powerful

I mean all dude did was basically share space with the drug.
 
Educate me on my ignorance, but if just breathing around it is that dangerous, what are are people doing with it? Like how is it used? If a few small grains can kill I assume they’re not snorting it or anything.
 
Damn!! Glad to see the officer is alright now.
So Fentanyl is used to increase the potency of street drugs I've heard.
 
77GreenMachine said:
Educate me on my ignorance, but if just breathing around it is that dangerous, what are are people doing with it? Like how is it used? If a few small grains can kill I assume they’re not snorting it or anything.
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It's used to cut drugs, typically cocaine and heroin. I ran into several users of the latter when I worked in Wake Co.

Duane
 
Has a lot to do with tolerance, cut, and concentration. And based on what I saw in that video the officer hit a tweaker’s “threaptuic dose” and not a true OD. (A true OD is apnea or not breathing at all. I say that as the EMS crew were not assisting his ventilations.)

To put some numbers out there.

Fentanyl is 50-100 times stronger than morphine and 30-50 times stronger than Heroin.

The average dose of medical use morphine is 10 mg and for Fentanyl is 60-100 mcg (micrograms). The average “hit” for a user is 12.5mg of heroin.

so as you can see users use a significant amount of drugs and build a very quick tolerance and have to increase their dose to get the same effect.

So dealers do some Bucky shite. They will cut the drugs with different substances to make that concentration different so make an increased profit. On average with street heroin the amount you buy is 125mg but only has 12.5mg of the drug in it. This change change dealer to dealer and day to day. So 100% pure fentanyl will do this to you but is more than likely cut with something.
 
Futbalfantic said:
So dealers do some Bucky shite. They will cut the drugs with different substances to make that concentration different so make an increased profit. On average with street heroin the amount you buy is 125mg but only has 12.5mg of the drug in it. This change change dealer to dealer and day to day.
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This is what causes a fair number of OD's. User normally buys from Cue Ball, who uses three scoops of fentanyl, but Cue Ball sold out and won't have any until tomorrow, so the user goes to see Eight Ball. But Eight ball uses four scoops of fentanyl, and the same hit that usually is just right from Cue Ball is now more potent and the user wakes up to us standing over him looking at them like they're a dumbass.

Duane
 
CLRracer said:
This is what causes a fair number of OD's. User normally buys from Cue Ball, who uses three scoops of fentanyl, but Cue Ball sold out and won't have any until tomorrow, so the user goes to see Eight Ball. But Eight ball uses four scoops of fentanyl, and the same hit that usually is just right from Cue Ball is now more potent and the user wakes up to us standing over him looking at them like they're a dumbass.

Duane
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Not only this. But dealers get a bump in business from a deadly OD so they “spike” a few hits to get more traffic.
 
CLRracer said:
This is what causes a fair number of OD's. User normally buys from Cue Ball, who uses three scoops of fentanyl, but Cue Ball sold out and won't have any until tomorrow, so the user goes to see Eight Ball. But Eight ball uses four scoops of fentanyl, and the same hit that usually is just right from Cue Ball is now more potent and the user wakes up to us standing over him looking at them like they're a dumbass.

Duane
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And this, right here, is the #1 argument for creating regulated means for adicts to get access to drugs.
95% of what makes drugs dangerous isn't the drug itself, its all the things associated with it being illegal and an underground activity.
 
Futbalfantic said:
Not only this. But dealers get a bump in business from a deadly OD so they “spike” a few hits to get more traffic.
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And for those who say, "WTF, why wouldn't that drive peple away?" you're not thinking like an opiate addict.
What they chase is the high, and in particular the closeness to death that comes with it. They are drawn to the thing that just might kill you... because (o them) that also provest the potency of it.
 
I lost a 30 yr old cousin to that shit last year, while what I say say next sounds heartless, I stand by it.

It's a self solving problem, take it you may or probably will die, don't and you want, from that any ways. If they want to take it let em. Sooner or later , and probably sooner they'll all be gone.
 
Wow. Just wow. My little to no knowledge of such drug use and things had my mind reeling.

I feel like Ned Flanders off the Simpsons when it comes to this. Lol.

What ever happened to just rolling a joint, maybe having a few beers? Geez. I wouldn’t even consider trying something I’ve seen destroy lives.
 
77GreenMachine said:
Wow. Just wow. My little to no knowledge of such drug use and things had my mind reeling.

I feel like Ned Flanders off the Simpsons when it comes to this. Lol.

What ever happened to just rolling a joint, maybe having a few beers? Geez. I wouldn’t even consider trying something I’ve seen destroy lives.
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Honestly, from a family member who was deep down the hole. Specifically with regard to fentanyl most users aren’t knowingly trying it.

To expand on @Futbalfantic point a bit.
Dealer guy usually buys say a lb of heroin and pays like 35-45k for a bulk transaction.
He then packages it for retail and turns 35k into 85k with the increased risk of multiple transacations and getting stiffed or shot by buyers or getting caught by Leo.

so dealer boy is a smart entrepreneur and he realIzes addict boy doesn’t do a chem analysis so he cuts his dope with something harmless like baking soda (or orajel for the cocaine guys to fake the numbness) now he turns his 35k into 170k and life is good for a while.
But then addict boy gets suspicious because as his tolerance goes up his supply purity goes down and he is using more and more total product to get marginally more of the key ingredient.
so he complains and dealer boy learns he can get some F and add a fraction of an ounce to his lb of product and produce a similar feeling.
we just hope dealer boy mixes his product well in his fda approved chem lab and gets an even dissipation. If all the F ends up in a corner of the brick…we’ll whoever buys that corner is fawked.
Addict boy acclimates to his dealer boys mixture and makes a rock about yay big…but other dealer boys mixture is different and yay big is way too much
 
77GreenMachine said:
Wow. Just wow. My little to no knowledge of such drug use and things had my mind reeling.

I feel like Ned Flanders off the Simpsons when it comes to this. Lol.

What ever happened to just rolling a joint, maybe having a few beers? Geez. I wouldn’t even consider trying something I’ve seen destroy lives.
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There is a not insignificant percentage of people who become addicted from legit use. IE injury. But it’s all about addiction. If you’re not one of those people, consider yourself lucky.
 
CLRracer said:
This is what causes a fair number of OD's. User normally buys from Cue Ball, who uses three scoops of fentanyl, but Cue Ball sold out and won't have any until tomorrow, so the user goes to see Eight Ball. But Eight ball uses four scoops of fentanyl, and the same hit that usually is just right from Cue Ball is now more potent and the user wakes up to us standing over him looking at them like they're a dumbass.

Duane
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And man oh man are they pissed when you reanimate them with narcan. You wasted their money and their "high" even though they were 1 minute from death.
 
77GreenMachine said:
What ever happened to just rolling a joint, maybe having a few beers? Geez. I wouldn’t even consider trying something I’ve seen destroy lives.
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Pretty sure even that’s not a safe bet anymore. My wife was telling me about a girl she went to law school with that had a brother OD and die because he smoked a joint that ended up having some Fentanyl in it. Pretty tragic.
 
jcramsey said:
Pretty sure even that’s not a safe bet anymore. My wife was telling me about a girl she went to law school with that had a brother OD and die because he smoked a joint that ended up having some Fentanyl in it. Pretty tragic.
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Wow. That’s awful. That’s where I’m like man just legalize it so it can be bought in a safe, controlled way.
 
77GreenMachine said:
Wow. That’s awful. That’s where I’m like man just legalize it so it can be bought in a safe, controlled way.
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This is a very complex question about society, it isn’t simply a freedom issue.

Looking at the states/cities that have basically turned a blind eye to hard drug use via announcing that they aren’t enforcing those laws … they turn into utter shitholes.

People literally laying in the street with needles and other paraphernalia everywhere. Shit on the sidewalks, crime out of control and folks dying daily. The only change is the people getting rich from it don’t have to worry about being prosecuted.

“Well then get the government to regulate it”

The government doesn’t do anything well and nothing for free. The states where the sale of pot has been legalized didn’t change the illicit drug trade much at all because Slim sells his pot much cheaper than the licensed tax collecting dispensary does.

I know we’re a society that murders babies like it’s as simple as fixing an ingrown toenail but where does the hole of tolerating every evil bent actually end? Pedos legalized? H in convenience stores? Taxpayer paid wienerectomies?

My family had its own person who was destroyed by drugs. I wish there was a simple fix but there isn’t.
 
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Also, I have a little training but had no idea F was that incredibly potent. I have Narcan in my blowout kit and I really hope I never need it.
 
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