Is our economy in a crisis or is it YOU?

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very good article I read:

Worth the long read.

STRUGGLING THROUGH THE HORRIBLE U.S. ECONOMY

Apparently much of our society was never taught one of life’s most basic truths; you simply can’t have it both ways.

Every day we awake to new catastrophic stories about the horrible economy of America. We’re told that people are suffering. Some are being forced to sell their personal items just to pay their bills. Woe is us.

Every single major economic indicator shows that none of this is true. The foreclosure “crisis” effects less than 1% of homeowners, all of those stories of people “walking away from their mortgages” have been proven to be a myth, 96% of us are still paying our bills on time, factory orders are up, housing prices are stabilizing and showing signs of beginning a rise within 8 months, Costco reported better than expected earnings (although when you read the actual reporting of this news, it is littered with bias not supported by fact…including the fact that Target posting a 3% increase in sales in April is good, but not good enough) and on and on the list of facts goes. Last week it was confirmed that we are not in a recession. In fact, we are not even in the beginning stages of a recession since it takes two consecutive quarters of negative growth to a recession make. Yes, the economy has slowed down, that is not arguable, however, we are told that it feels as though we are in a recession, and therefore it is so. This is where my head spins off of its’ swivel.
http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-fi-walkaway11-2008may11,0,7862151.story
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/05/02/afx4963518.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803346.html

The United States of America is the greatest economic creation in the history of the planet. While our national economy is constantly mismanaged by our politicians, the “real” economy is always self regulated by the American market(s), and continues to outpace the quality of life of every other nation on Earth combined. In America, you are defined as poor if you own fewer than 2 televisions. In Africa, you are the King of Chad if you own 2 televisions. Get a grip.

Enter the hypocritical double standard. When it is pointed out that America’s economy is just fine based on every factual and anecdotal piece of evidence, we are told that all problems are relative. In other words, while it is true that wealth in other nations is poverty in America; it still feels like an economic crisis when gas goes above $4 per gallon. Yet these same people who argue for relativity also refuse to use it as an equalizer. If all problems are relative, then one must use their empathy to realize that relatively speaking, you’ve got it pretty damn good here (and thus have nor right or reason to complain). Don’t think so? Move. Relatively speaking, I’m willing to bet you’ll be back pretty damn quick.

If you were diagnosed tomorrow with Diabetes, would that make it okay for you to bitch and moan about your restrictive diet to the face of a dying leukemia patient with no chance of survival? The answer, of course, is no, because while your diabetes is real and annoying to you on a daily basis, it is nothing, relatively speaking, when compared to a horrible, fatal disease. The U.S. economy has diabetes. Eat a cookie and settle the hell down.

While we’re on the subject of how ignorant and spoiled the American people are, let’s interject a few more facts to go along with our entrée of logic and reason. Gas and food prices are through the roof, yet airline bookings are at an all time high. I wonder how it is that we can be such a delusional people that we legitimately try to claim that the American people are struggling, yet we’re all gallivanting across the nation in record numbers. It’s 2008, for the love of crap; flying has never been less necessary to do business than today thanks to our whirlwind of technological advancements, yet we’re flying in record numbers. Not, it turns out, for business reasons, but rather for vacations. Hotel occupancies are also up slightly. How can that be in such an economically depressed nation?
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/11/summer.travel/



Last week, Callaway golf announced an incentive to entice people to consider purchasing some new golf equipment in these atrocious economic times; buy a new driver and receive a $100 gas card. Hello! You are still spending $500 on the damn golf club! Is this really what we’ve come to? Claiming that spending hundreds of dollars on toys is a hardship? Chrysler is willing to lock in gas at $2.99 per gallon for three years if you are willing to spend $25,000 on a car. Tough times…heavens to Mergatroids…how depressing it must be to have to be enticed to buy a brand new car that is worth more than the average salary of 90% of the world.
CLICK HERE FOR THE LINK
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080506/BUSINESS01/805060337



A few weeks ago I wrote of my disdain for the media’s coverage of the economy by
trying to paint relatable pictures of hard-working blue collar Americans struggling to get by. In story after story, after we hear about how angry, sad or destitute the person in the story is we then come to find out that they are in the process of transporting their Arabian horses across the country, or being forced to auction away their Versace suits.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/04/23/gas.prices/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24375110/

This is where Americans simply can’t have it both ways. For decades, our society has chosen collectively to define itself by our material possessions. The issue has never been whether or not we could afford what we had, the issue has been how we can buy it. I live in a gated community that is one of the area’s more prominent neighborhoods for those of us who are doing well, but are not yet “super-rich.” We moved into our community as it was being finished and I could immediately spot the people who could afford to live in such an area, and those who were simply trying to show off to society that they were able to “buy nice things.” Since then, that latter group has been forced out by economic conditions. This does not define a recession nor a struggling economy; it defines vanity, stupidity and poor planning.

One such resident is the manager of a construction company. Two years ago when he spent more than $1 million for his house, business was booming; so much so, he declined an offer I made to him to do some work on my home. Today, he is literally begging for work and has been forced to try to sell his home (at a loss) and may even lose his business. This is not an example of a hard working American who has had his dreams crushed by our unfair and oppressive economic system; it is an example of an arrogant man who chose of his own free will to live well beyond his means and not economically prepare his family for the inevitability of slow economic times. Yes, it is sad, but no, it is not anyone or anything’s fault other than his own. We, the people, have created this alleged recession by insisting on living beyond our means so that we can appear successful to others.

I have a friend who literally lives paycheck to paycheck while paying more than $600 per month to Verizon wireless for his one cell phone. Meanwhile, I own a company that has five brand new, state of the art cell phones for five different employees who have unlimited internet access and up to 5,000 free minutes per month with no long distance or roaming fees with Verizon Wireless. My monthly bill? Less than $250. My friend is not a victim of being gouged by oil companies or the “bullshit economy” as he calls it, my friend is an idiot and a whiner.

Last week my wife told me that a friend of hers is so desperate and upset about gasoline prices that she has been forced to cut back her pedicures from weekly to monthly. I am not making this up.

These are not problems nor are they an indication of a sick national economy. These are indications of a spoiled culture with no clue about real struggle, hardship and actual sacrifice. It is true of these specific stories and also to those people who aren’t giving up pedicures to pay for gas, but rather are giving up cigarettes to pay the rent (who told you to smoke in the first place)? It is true of the single mom with three kids who can’t afford day care any longer because her food prices are too high. Last time I checked, birth control was still free and she should have obliged herself of some. People who argue that life “throws you unexpected curves” as an excuse for failing to adapt and overcome are nothing more than the worlds’ losers. Sadly, it seems that their ranks are growing.

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I think the "crisis" varies from one location to another. Ask anyone who has lived in my area that worked making furniture, cloth, clothing or anything to do with automotive manufacturing, to name the bigger ones, what is the difference in Free trade, and fair trade.

Over all trade is our one biggest hit to the economy. Buy at Wal-Mart, and support other country's, or buy USA made and pay more. Again, a trade issue.

Fuel prices, a sore spot for many. Who pays, we do, the consumer. Outside of local produce, what can you think of that doesn't travel on a truck at one time or another? Answer, not much, so, all the increased costs for transportation filters down to us, the consumer. prices jump up.

The war, it's costly, and good argument on both sides as to the need for it, but, who pays, we do! It has driven the cost of many metals sky high.

So yes and no, we do have an influence on how the economy goes. Some more direct than others.

I love the answers we get when a candidate is asked how they intend on making it better. Somewhere they will basically say, I would consult, or I would build a group, yadda yadda. Never do you hear, if they won't buy ours, we won't let them bring theirs here to pimp out.

Stepping off my soap box
 
unfortunatly the things we know of the U.S. economy are going to have to be thrown out the window. The books are written based on the U.S. being self supporting and THE biggest economy in the world. The knowledge we have was gleaned in an age where we affected heavily the economy of others but could stand on our own.

all those standards have changed and America is sliding down the chain at a fast pace. The value of the dollar is no longer based on the amount of riches in the Treasuries possession. The value is based on perceived power of the United States. With third world countries thumbing their noses at our military, the lack of resolution of the fuel crisis and housing crunch all lower the perceived power of the U.S. which in turn lower the value of our dollar.

overtaxation, un representative government and break down of economy.


three major factors of the fall of rome. three things the american people are facing today.

When Rome was at its weakest, the smaller tribes around the world banded together the bring the giant down. Right now Opec and China are bringing us to our knees. Soon Iran and the muslim extremists around the world will come together and mettle of american citizens will be tested.

I hate to sound like a doomsdayist but the american people are weak. i see and the world see's it. People today dont have the stomach for hardships. They bail out and hope someone else will fix the problem. I think we're going to be in for a tough time until a generation comes along who has learned to survive in harshtimes and American adaptiveness is reborn.
 
When Rome was at its weakest, the smaller tribes around the world banded together the bring the giant down. Right now Opec and China are bringing us to our knees. Soon Iran and the muslim extremists around the world will come together and mettle of american citizens will be tested.
I hate to sound like a doomsdayist but the american people are weak. i see and the world see's it. People today dont have the stomach for hardships. They bail out and hope someone else will fix the problem. I think we're going to be in for a tough time until a generation comes along who has learned to survive in harshtimes and American adaptiveness is reborn.

Amen. In the mean time I will keep paying more for American goods and socking away my pennies for the hard times ahead. I see it coming, most people don't have a clue yet.
 
Interesting article

I think the overall US economy is OK. Not going gangbusters but not falling off a cliff, either.

If one thing is constant it's change. I recently took a vacation and drove across the US. You can look out the window and see which areas are on the decline and which are on the upswing. Industries and towns rise and fall. Folks migrate to where the jobs are. I guess it impressed me with the flexibility and freedom people have in the US. I'm not sure how it is elsewhere because I've never lived anywhere else. In my job in the computer industry we're constantly being threatened with replacement by people in ____. 5 years ago the ___ was India, now it's China. I figure if I get to the point I can't get a job doing what I do now, I'll just have to get a job doing something else.

I guess my overall take is don't buy into the hype about how everything's great in the boom times, and don't buy into the hype about the sky falling in the downturns.
 
A lot of this is our dumbass way of wanting everything RIGHT NOW! If we can't afford it, Finance It!....The gravy train is pulling into the station and it's coming time for the 10 cent millionaires to settle their debts. Liquid is the way to be right now. I'd hate to be riding in my 05-up car/truck drinking fuel, living the dream in a house I can barely afford. I guess it really doesn't matter though I could just point the finger somewhere else and ask the government for some bail out help.How dare someone suggest I actually live within my means!
 
A lot of this is our dumbass way of wanting everything RIGHT NOW! If we can't afford it, Finance It!....The gravy train is pulling into the station and it's coming time for the 10 cent millionaires to settle their debts. Liquid is the way to be right now. I'd hate to be riding in my 05-up car/truck drinking fuel, living the dream in a house I can barely afford. I guess it really doesn't matter though I could just point the finger somewhere else and ask the government for some bail out help.How dare someone suggest I actually live within my means!


EXACTLY..

perfect example.. my riding lawn mower died so I needed/wanted a new one.. so I bought myself one with cash.. I did not finance it.. cause to me that is just crazy and dumb
 
Decisions have consequences. They are more painful when you are stupid.
 
A lot of this is our dumbass way of wanting everything RIGHT NOW! If we can't afford it, Finance It!
Exactly! 35 Years of hard work, modest investments and frugal spending have provided my wife and I with NO debt, house is paid for, cars are paid for, kids college is paid for, no credit card bills, a LARGE investment account in annuities/mutual funds, a comfortable retirement and peace of mind. We have never had the big house, big car, place at the beach, etc but now we can sit back and enjoy life and laugh at those our age who are still working, paying for the big toys they had to have :)
 
<--- young and dumb, but has learned finally to pay cash.

Things are tight for me right now and its because i was stupid enough to view financing as a good viable option. If i had played the game right earlier i would be fine right now. I ran the debt up, you dont hear me whining. lol, you hear me claiming theres going to be an economic apocolypse in this country, but i know the situation im in is my fault and i'm not reaching my hands out to the goverment. I'm working harder and spending less, and yes my life this year isnt what it has been in the past but i'll get back on top.
 
Vent time...
The whole mess makes me sick to my stomach. I'm one of those die hards that has never had a single thing given to them and has worked for every stitch of clothing, every car and everything else I've ever owned since I was old enough to push a lawn mower around. The only thing given to me was a phone book laid in my hand to find work. I was greener than a grasshopper but when I started in the A's and went all the way to the Z's, I had interviews lined up out the ying yang. But it was always an old man of sorts that had the heart knowing he was in my shoes one time to give a kid a chance. I've done everything from carpentry, plumbing, electrical, transportation and of course everything that partains to food. Unemployment is for lazy scums...
Yes, I have a credit card and yes I do use it from time to time when I'm in desperate need but only when I foresee a near payoff. I went to one of the fancier High Schools where everybody's dad had money. Mine were divorced with my Dad on the road working construction while my Mom was working everything from bars to fast food to help put food on the table. But it makes me sick to think I've done without all my life and even ridiculed and looked down on by others cause I never had anything while those others have lived in luxery. I don't think it's fair. It actually eats at me pretty bad when I see young dudes driving awesome cars and trucks when you can tell they've never worked a hard day in their life. Heck, I was 17 before I could buy my first car and I have fond memories of that piece of shit along with every other heap of junk I ever claimed as a ride to and from. And alot of times it ain't the kid's fault, it's the parents for giving to them when the parents can't afford it to begin with but can't withold from spoiling their kids. The viscious cycle of overextending.
It just ain't right for the economy to live like they are rich when they ain't when at the end it hurts every one of us. Even though I kinda doubt it'll ever happen, I hope I find all of them rich-wanna-be biatches living under the bridge one day.:bounce2:

Thanks!
:beer:
 
It actually eats at me pretty bad when I see young dudes driving awesome cars and trucks when you can tell they've never worked a hard day in their life. And alot of times it ain't the kid's fault, it's the parents for giving to them when the parents can't afford it to begin with but can't withold from spoiling their kids. The viscious cycle of overextending.
Even though I kinda doubt it'll ever happen, I hope I find all of them rich-wanna-be biatches living under the bridge one day.:bounce2:
Thanks!
:beer:


I was one of those spoiled kids...I assure you my parents were the problem. What teenager do you know that would turn down new cars and credit cards without having to work or pay for them? If it makes you feel better around the time I was 18 or so, been through a half dozen newer cars (some wrecked, some traded, always at a lose), my father realized he was doing me a great disservice by continuing to support me. I helped his choice by walking around thinking the rules didn't apply to me because money could get me out of whatever came along, the judicial system got my head straight on that line of thinking.
At 18 I turned in the keys to the year old 535i and the Visa card. My old man said he loved me, but it was sink or swim time. I doggy paddled for many years and I was pissed at him for a couple of years, but I got it figured out after awhile.I went from the lap of luxery to a one room apartment, POS motorcycle and no automobile. I appreciate everything I have now and haven't taken a dime from my family since. Although the grass my appear to be greener elsewhere, that's not always the case.It usually has all kinds of hiden problems.
 
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