Job offer help

marty79

marty79

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Hey guys need a little bit of advice so I got a job offer to be a shop manager in charge of mechanic shop that does inspections tires the works and it has a used car lot attached to it he's offering me 22 an hour plus overtime and of course for me that's really good money for me but I just don't know I realize as a shop manager the hours and work involved in doing everything so is that too low of offer for the type of position.??
I just don't want to take a position and be overworked for yes being good money but I also again don't want to be overworked knowing if everyone agrees that that's too low for that position. he wants me to do everything from payroll employee schedules ordering parts paying the bills on the building on materials and help with the car lot inspections you name it he wants me to do it all and it seems like possibly a little too much for that pay. It's roughly 55hrs a week which is my #1 drawback in consideration.

I'm in between a rock and a hard place cuz right now I can come and go as I please do what I want when I want and this would obviously make me work at an actual steady 55or so hrs no matter.
 
Certainly seems like it will be a change of pace for you. I guess you have to decide ultimately if the add'l responsibility/hours is worth the incremental $ relative to what you're at now. If I do the math that would work itself out to be about $63k/year. Are there any other monetary considerations you need to consider here (e.g., insurance, vacation, etc.)? I don't have experience in that line of business so I don't know how that annualized salary shakes out or if it's in the ballpark, but it is probably in line w/ my expectations....I was thinking $60k - $75k/year (maybe some will tell me I'm wrong). Not sure if I'm providing much advice, but that's my $0.02 for what it's worth.
 
Try it. It's not like you'll stay there long anyway.
 
No. Because of every thing not in this post. Everything that makes you who you are screams no to me. Not a cut down John, Its just not your cup of tea.
 
If you have to ask...I’d say no. Never take a job just to have a job or because of the money. That said...55hrs/wk for a more ‘manual labor’ type job is a relative cake walk. I know this will fall on deaf ears given the history, but when I consult or give career advice, you have to establish your end goal first, then making these kinds of decisions become easy...either a move helps you advance down your path, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, it’s the wrong move.
 
If you could do all the responsibilities in the job descriptions and do them well in a 8 to 10 hour day without stressing out or burning out you would do very well in your own business
 
Never take the first offer! If you can handle all the administrative responsibilities along with the manual labor end of the job go after it. I would go into it asking for $27.50 to start with and accept $25 with insurance and a couple weeks vacation. Also I’d ask for profit sharing which promotes you and your crew to bust your asses to do good efficient work.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
No. Because of every thing not in this post. Everything that makes you who you are screams no to me. Not a cut down John, Its just not your cup of tea.
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Funny that's what wife said. You know me pretty well sir. I really am considering it possibly for wrong reasons...to finally have title and career and better my family and I would Excell at it I know i would cause I'm organized and clean freak but my biggest issue is I value family time more than most people and have always sacrificed some income to have it. This offer just has me second guessing my true self I guess cause I've never amounted to much so seems like a good time to change that. I have 2 days to decide. Wife says follow my heart and seek Gods guidance but my own desire is really getting in the way to be better.

moldman05 said:
If you could do all the responsibilities in the job descriptions and do them well in a 8 to 10 hour day without stressing out or burning out you would do very well in your own business
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I ran my own show on smaller scale but still did very well cause I'm so full throttle and determined.

I suppose my biggest concern is I'll make lots of money but will loose the #1 thing I cherrish most, time with family that isn't replaceable.
Blaze said:
Does it really matter what we say? I mean, seriously.
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That's fair but I actually almost have agreed to it but last resort is seek some opinions from some here whose gotten to know me a bit. Yes Ive switched a lot over my life for different reasons but doesn't mean I'm not more dedicated than your average worker. Difference is this gives me a position where nobody can really mistreat me since I would be in upper position. After a 2hr interview owner seems pretty great and he really liked my personality.

Thanks for the thoughts on this. It's really not just to waste y'all's time. It's a big decision.
 
marty79 said:
Difference is this gives me a position where nobody can really mistreat me since I would be in upper position. After a 2hr interview owner seems pretty great and he really liked my personality.
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This is the funniest thing Ive ever read.
Thanks. I am literally laughing until I cant catch my breath.

Dude take this advice from someone who has been in a management role in one form or another since he was 24 years old.

You have never been mistreated in your life until you take that role. You will then be "mistreated" by both sides.
Think of everywhere you have ever worked. Think of how your worst coworkers treated the boss. That will be you. The the customers will be bitching to you for eveyone else's screw up///or becaue they are miserable twats (gender neutral) thats cant be satisfied. Then the owner will be bitching to you because profits arent high enough. Then the vendors will be bitching because their payment is late. You cant fire everyone, you cant give customers their money back and you cant write the check to the vendors.

Middle management is the turd between the rock and the boot.
 
Ron said:
This is the funniest thing Ive ever read.
Thanks. I am literally laughing until I cant catch my breath.

Dude take this advice from someone who has been in a management role in one form or another since he was 24 years old.

You have never been mistreated in your life until you take that role. You will then be "mistreated" by both sides.
Think of everywhere you have ever worked. Think of how your worst coworkers treated the boss. That will be you. The the customers will be bitching to you for eveyone else's screw up///or becaue they are miserable twats (gender neutral) thats cant be satisfied. Then the owner will be bitching to you because profits arent high enough. Then the vendors will be bitching because their payment is late. You cant fire everyone, you cant give customers their money back and you cant write the check to the vendors.

Middle management is the turd between the rock and the boot.
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AMEN.
 
Just a couple thoughts:

That's nowhere near enough for all those tasks.

Car lots are terrible to do work for.

You have talked bad about repair shops before because they are trying to get rich of their customers.

You have no idea how difficult it can be to have happy customers, employees, and bossman
 
RHSCTJ said:
Just a couple thoughts:


You have no idea how difficult it can be to have happy customers, employees, and bossman
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If your a man of high integrity, If your a man who doesn't sleep well when others aren't satisfied, If your a man who refuses to compromise and lie.

Stay away. I would tell you to ask my father......the 25 plus years he worked in this field did him in.
 
Ron said:
This is the funniest thing Ive ever read.
Thanks. I am literally laughing until I cant catch my breath.

Dude take this advice from someone who has been in a management role in one form or another since he was 24 years old.

You have never been mistreated in your life until you take that role. You will then be "mistreated" by both sides.
Think of everywhere you have ever worked. Think of how your worst coworkers treated the boss. That will be you. The the customers will be bitching to you for eveyone else's screw up///or becaue they are miserable twats (gender neutral) thats cant be satisfied. Then the owner will be bitching to you because profits arent high enough. Then the vendors will be bitching because their payment is late. You cant fire everyone, you cant give customers their money back and you cant write the check to the vendors.

Middle management is the turd between the rock and the boot.
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Dually noted!!

WARRIORWELDING said:
If your a man of high integrity, If your a man who doesn't sleep well when others aren't satisfied, If your a man who refuses to compromise and lie.
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This is definitely where I stand.
Ok thanks guys. This is some of the stuff I wasn't quite thinking of so why I asked. I knew there had to be stuff I'm missing before I sign up for something and regret it.
 
Ron said:
Think of everywhere you have ever worked. Think of how your worst coworkers treated the boss. That will be you. The the customers will be bitching to you for eveyone else's screw up///or becaue they are miserable twats (gender neutral) thats cant be satisfied. Then the owner will be bitching to you because profits arent high enough. Then the vendors will be bitching because their payment is late. You cant fire everyone, you cant give customers their money back and you cant write the check to the vendors.
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And yes I'm aware of such things just not on full blown scale. Managing 17 people at ASU was quite the experience.
 
RHSCTJ said:
That's nowhere near enough for all those tasks.
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the beginning of my concern was this and I was afraid that I was right it's way too much to deal with for that type of income just on that aspect alone.
 
Thank you for your time, believe me it has been much appreciated!!
 
If you think you are always going to wonder 'what if?', then take the job and stick it out for a year, but have a back up plan in place. You will probably learn a lot.

I'm guessing that you will be working 10 hrs M-F, and 5 hrs on Sat. I did 6 days a week but just a little bit more (55-60 hrs) than that for three years and hated it.
 
drkelly said:
guessing that you will be working 10 hrs M-F, and 5 hrs on Sat. I did 6 days a week but just a little bit more (55-60 hrs) than that for three years and hated it.
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Yep that's the shift but I also know your first in last out so I know you don't always get to leave at 6 on the dot.
As for try it and have back up plans for, not really up for that. I've pretty much got it made at this job, just slow but I have as much freedom as any self employed person has and no overhead boss (alone all day). So I'm not leaving this for just a "try".
 
marty79 said:
Yep that's the shift but I also know your first in last out so I know you don't always get to leave at 6 on the dot.
As for try it and have back up plans for, not really up for that. I've pretty much got it made at this job, just slow but I have as much freedom as any self employed person has and no overhead boss (alone all day). So I'm not leaving this for just a "try".
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Your guys work 8 to 5. You work 6 thirty....to when the mess gets done. And weekends is when you try to catch all the lose ends cause the phone and people stop coming in your door. Now days its even worse because its supposed to be service oriented and cater to everyone. What it does is burn out your good people. The crappy ones will always be crappy, except the FNG. My dad said "a new broom will always sweep clean....give it a while". So everyone gets burnt out, value and integrity go down, production slows. No body is happy. I have yet to understand why big dealers abuse the help so badly. It has to trickle down to the customer.

If I where in the managers shoes my guys would work alternating schedule or for folks who want a weekend mid week work that exclusively........but absolutely no pulling 5 day weeks... yes 5 day. I would set up a 4 day rotation pulling 4 tens......Two breaks and a lunch. It's flat rate make your time and go home. However repeats and patterns of incorrect work and diagnostics will be on your dime. Hence the open fifth day....You don't correct or own up to your mistakes, goodbye sir.
 
@marty79 have you checked the reviews on this shop/car lot? That will give you an idea of what you are getting in to. Ive never met a car salesman who wasnt "a really nice guy".
 
RHSCTJ said:
@marty79 have you checked the reviews on this shop/car lot? That will give you an idea of what you are getting in to. Ive never met a car salesman who wasnt "a really nice guy".
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well that was one of the reasons why I do like the guy because two hours of chatting with him I picked his brain on a lot of issues. morals/ values/business ethics and let's just say he answered with the right answers lol. I'm pretty good at reading people and this is a guy who's been in other business for a long time and seems very professional so I know he's not just telling me what I want to hear lol.

Me and the wife are awaiting his final offer after me giving him few little stipulations in the meantime were still under discussion/thought. Currently I honestly stand at 60/40 in favor of staying at my job. If he agrees to my few additions that would turn it around but still not def yet. Wifey sits at 70/30 to stay, daughter about same as me lol.
 
No way. Don’t take this the wrong way, but $22/hr isn’t really a lot of money. It’s not bad money, but it’s not great either considering all that you’re doing. Dude is basically saying “run every single aspect of my company for $22/hr” he’s the one making the money, granted he’d upfronted everything and carries the risk.
For all that headache and time sacrificed it would need to be $35+ and have insurance, vacation and profit sharing as mentioned earlier.
You kiss weekends goodbye, flexibility, everything. Ron and Andrew nailed it so I’m not gonna beat a dead horse too much. You think you can’t be mistreated but you will, more most likely. I had a buddy work for a shop like that, Qwik Lane Tire & Auto which was owned by Green Ford in Greensboro. He worked similar hours but off 1 Saturday a month. He made just under $75k plus bonuses but he was absolutely miserable. He hated work with a passion. Gave them 4 years and grew profits, suddenly one day they found a younger college grad who was eager to prove himself and probably thought $55k/year sounded great and just like that my buddy was gone. Employers these days in lower fields tend to give jobs to the “lowest bidder” rather than the most qualified and best fit.

Just had a similar discussion yesterday. A co-worker is considering taking a job that will push him well above $100k/year with company car and expense account, but that means covering 5 states and being away from his soon to be newborn quite a bit. That’s killer money, but not worth it to m personally.
 
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