Job offer help

77GreenMachine said:
Just had a similar discussion yesterday. A co-worker is considering taking a job that will push him well above $100k/year with company car and expense account, but that means covering 5 states and being away from his soon to be newborn quite a bit. That’s killer money, but not worth it to m personally.
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85k-299k live in the same neighborhood the finishes and the toys just get nicer.
Do what makes you happy.

If it starts getting into the 300+ range then all bets are off. thats my view point
 
Hell, I make more than that, don't have to work 6 days, don't have the ability to hire and fire, and don't have to worry about all the other stuff!

That sounds l like "bend over with a smile!"

I'd give you Three weeks, then good luck on getting paid for the last two!
 
UTfball68 said:
If you have to ask...I’d say no. Never take a job just to have a job or because of the money. That said...55hrs/wk for a more ‘manual labor’ type job is a relative cake walk. I know this will fall on deaf ears given the history, but when I consult or give career advice, you have to establish your end goal first, then making these kinds of decisions become easy...either a move helps you advance down your path, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, it’s the wrong move.
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I don't agree with much that Ben says, but this^^ is solid as hell.

My last hourly job (not including the 1099 stuff) paid me 33% more across the board than what I started the fabrication company at. Of course, who decides at age 31 to do a complete 180 in career paths? Someone who knows themself and refuses to chase dollars, but rather, chase a passion. Best decision of my life.
 
obullfish said:
Never take the first offer! If you can handle all the administrative responsibilities along with the manual labor end of the job go after it. I would go into it asking for $27.50 to start with and accept $25 with insurance and a couple weeks vacation. Also I’d ask for profit sharing which promotes you and your crew to bust your asses to do good efficient work.
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Union boy
 
John, this is a tough one.
If you want to take the job, even if it is at the rate he offered, I would first ask about pay raises, how often and how much to expect, given that you have excellent performance reviews.
But bottom line, take the money out of the equation.
Can you, or have you ever had a job similar to this. If not, you will be pulling out your hair( knowing you are bald, then it has to come from somewhere)
because so many things will be smacking you in the face.
This man wants things done his way I am sure, so, how and who will train you.
This is not a hands on job like you are used to. There will have to be a lot of delegation. You will have to learn to talk to the employees, in a way the will respond positively. You will be the front man, when ever issues arise, whether inside or from the customers, it YOU who has to make them happy. You will have to multi task like you have never had to do.. Everything that goes wrong, it's on you. Everything goes right, don't always expect a pat on the shoulder. You will have to make requests to people that they do not want to do. YEah, you will have to deal with that a lot.

If you want this job, to give you the experience to maybe better yourself another time down the road with another company that will pay more.

If it's for the money...……………………………..stay where you are
 
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XJsavage said:
I don't agree with much that Ben says, but this^^ is solid as hell.

My last hourly job (not including the 1099 stuff) paid me 33% more across the board than what I started the fabrication company at. Of course, who decides at age 31 to do a complete 180 in career paths? Someone who knows themself and refuses to chase dollars, but rather, chase a passion. Best decision of my life.
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Hell to the yes... same boat diff river here!
 
One upside is he is offering hourly plus overtime and not salary. I WOULD NOT do that on salary.
Other than that .... nothing else to contribute.

Matt
 
Lizooki said:
One upside is he is offering hourly plus overtime and not salary. I WOULD NOT do that on salary.
Other than that .... nothing else to contribute.

Matt
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That may not be as great as he thinks, if I remember correctly in the automotive mechanic field they don’t have to pay overtime I till you get to 55+ hours. I guess that is up to how each shop does things, but I’d confirm.
 
Assuming 1.5x for OT, and 55 hrs/wk it would be $68,750/yr just figuring on two weeks off per year.
 
braxton357 said:
You guys are acting like this is a service manager position for a Chevy dealership... It's a used car lot with a garage.
How many mechanics does he have or would you be the only one?

Might as well give it a four month go like everything else.
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That’s what I was thinking...the vast majority of mechanic shop managers I know are in the sub-$50k/yr range. I know everyone on this forum makes bank, but 85% of my workforce would cream themselves to only work 55hrs and make more than $40k/yr.
 
braxton357 said:
You guys are acting like this is a service manager position for a Chevy dealership... It's a used car lot with a garage.
How many mechanics does he have or would you be the only one?

Might as well give it a four month go like everything else.
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True. On ALL accounts.
 
braxton357 said:
You guys are acting like this is a service manager position for a Chevy dealership... It's a used car lot with a garage.
How many mechanics does he have or would you be the only one?

Might as well give it a four month go like everything else.
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He has 3-4 techs, me no work at all. Front office is separate from shop and that's where I stay. It should be strictly I guess more administrative and all that kind of work no turning wrenches at all. I asked him a few questions yesterday time and a half is for sure profit sharing is for sure so that's all I know. He's also considering only making me work one Saturday a month so I'm waiting on him to get back to me on that. That was one of my other stipulations that I asked and he's pretty considerable for it.
 
Ron said:
This is the funniest thing Ive ever read.
Thanks. I am literally laughing until I cant catch my breath.

Dude take this advice from someone who has been in a management role in one form or another since he was 24 years old.

You have never been mistreated in your life until you take that role. You will then be "mistreated" by both sides.
Think of everywhere you have ever worked. Think of how your worst coworkers treated the boss. That will be you. The the customers will be bitching to you for eveyone else's screw up///or becaue they are miserable twats (gender neutral) thats cant be satisfied. Then the owner will be bitching to you because profits arent high enough. Then the vendors will be bitching because their payment is late. You cant fire everyone, you cant give customers their money back and you cant write the check to the vendors.

Middle management is the turd between the rock and the boot.
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WARRIORWELDING said:
AMEN.
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I got as far as these two posts, and now I'll pitch my three cents.

Another amen, and preach on, @Ron ! Another experienced hat with management here...it will stress you the hell out. It did for me, and I'm about as laid back as they come. I've been in some form of management since my USMC days from 10-15 years ago until this year. In my most recent management position I had 80 employees. But Ron is right - I was the turd between the rock and the boot. So I finished my degree and moved on to an amazing engineering position. If you can handle daily (and I do mean DAILY) bitch sessions between your boss and your subordinates, then go for it. Otherwise, I'd stick to what you have or find something that you know you want to do that still pays well. I haven't been happier than doing exactly what I want to do for work (even if I'm working on what they tell me to do), I don't have to take the stress home with me, and I can happily spend time with my family and support them as well.
 
My management days were from 2004-2013 working for General Dynamics. We handled all the design, instrumentation, and operation of the Army’s urban warfare training ranges around the world. I always hand picked my crews and going into a project everyone was on the same page and knew what was expected of them. We were always able to get ahead in the beginning then just put it on cruise control till the soldiers rolled in when we were finished with the install then on to training. Most of the projects were multi million dollar projects that ranged from 6 months to 5+ years and I was never stressed and never lost sleep but I loved what I did and did it good. John if you think you will enjoy taking the position take it if you are unsure stay where you are and keep doing good work and the money will come. Just my.02.
 
marty79 said:
It should be strictly I guess more administrative and all that kind of work no turning wrenches at all.
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So two questions come to mind:
  1. Do you have experience in an administrative/management role?
  2. Do you have the ability to do that role and not do any hands-on work without crawling up the walls?
 
Fabrik8 said:
Do you have experience in an administrative/management role?
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Yes
Fabrik8 said:
Do you have the ability to do that role and not do any hands-on work without crawling up the walls?
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Lol lol I know it's not funny but it is funny. I think I can. I've never had a job where I didn't do ANY Hands-On work the management job at ASU even though I had 17 people I was still there working with them.
It would be a nice break for sure. I'm pretty sure I can force myself to do it if like many have said, "is it really worth it and what I really want for new carrecpath"
 
BigClay said:
So have you made a decision yet?
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I actually have decided to turn it away. I cannot deny the facts about me and who I am that many of you pointed out even though I reckon I was ignoring for whatever personal reasons they were. I'm not gonna lie and say I don't feel little bummed about it cause I do but my own mind has been going crazy over this and reading 2pages of people's responses/opinions has reminded me of what is more important and valuable.
So thank you to all for your input and direction and Thank you for your time!

I did however come up with a "solution" to my problem at current job of being too slow and tired of dragging out work. So I made a bold move and had a chat with my boss today. He was having me put water pump and thermostat and hoses on his diesel truck today so i had something to do and he says to me "sorry man, thank you for your patience we're trying to keep you busy around here. We really don't want to loose you so we will do our best to keep you as busy as possible" his word for word.
So now was my chance, I replied to him with " well, I have a solution. Since you and me both know I drag out a lot of jobs just to make it through the day and week so I can manage a 40hr paycheck, I propose to put me on salary of my income now and allow me to come in and work full throttle the way I want to and when my work here is finished I can go home and do my side work and other projects. You pay me 40hrs no matter what so I'm not asking for more money right now I'm just asking to come in, bust my butt the way I like and go do my other business while still everyday taking care of the shop here first. And you're really not paying me for half the hours because well, even if from now on I'm out of here by 11-12 everyday (which will be the case most days) I'm coming in and working at 2-3x the speed I am now to get everything done that you need done."

He responded with "tomorrow we will sit down and figure this out, but I'm sure we can agree to something. I don't want to lose you so I will work with you the best I can"

So that's where I'm at....and that's where I'll be making my roots I guess. Come in 5:30 work full throttle, go home close to noon everyday and have half a day of light to do my stuff!!! fixing to really have it made
 
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