johns thread again

[John Fuller]

^^^its not the money thing as the issue...its the time travel and distance. My wife is in here very "early" stages of getting away from home in 12yrs with Anxiety/Panic disorder so going that far i wouldn't even mention it to here yet...i don't think we're near that level of traveling yet. Baby steps for her and she does ok with the Flats for the most part and does really good to keep it in when she was struggling. Having friendly people around helps a lot too.

 

[McCracken]

ohh trust me...many many many locals have tried for years but the landowners have not been willing. i guess i'm gonna start trailiering to my local trail again (now that i'm not street legal) and just enjoy that and make some of the trails there more difficult and challenging.
Someday day i'm going to buy me 20+ acres of land in the right spot and solve this problem once and for all....gonna rent a backhoe and go to town...then wait for a downpoor and get out with everyone i know while pouring down and make some trails...that's the way we made trails in High School and it was lots of "overheating your engine" type of fun lol. ohh i can't wait for that day to own some land!!!

Go to the Gulches. That's 80 acres. You'll realize that 20's nowhere near enough.

 

[John Fuller]

aww cmon...20 is plenty of land in the right setting to build all the trails i would ever need. I don't require much and with every hard rain, they change and there wouldn't be no bulldozin to fixem...screw that. wheel em like they are and when they get stupid impossible...then dig it i guess otherwise i could happily make due with 20acres for my own place to wheel and invite others to come join the fun. plus, you gotta think about how much of the acres at Parks are wasted land that for my personal use i wouldn't need...green trails/parking/access trails take a lot of room so wouldn't have em...everything would be yellows and reds equivalent so that gives a lot more room for fitting in the fun stuff.

 

[Ron]

smh.


20 acres would equal a couple 100 yard trails.
good luck.
obviously you have it all figured out

 

[Jody Treadway]

aww cmon...20 is plenty of land in the right setting to build all the trails i would ever need. I don't require much and with every hard rain, they change and there wouldn't be no bulldozin to fixem...screw that. wheel em like they are and when they get stupid impossible...then dig it i guess otherwise i could happily make due with 20acres for my own place to wheel and invite others to come join the fun. plus, you gotta think about how much of the acres at Parks are wasted land that for my personal use i wouldn't need...green trails/parking/access trails take a lot of room so wouldn't have em...everything would be yellows and reds equivalent so that gives a lot more room for fitting in the fun stuff.

Stay with me here for a second. You, as a business insider obviously know this but you said 20 acres is all you'd ever need. Well, if this is a business venture, then it is not about what you need and want, but rather about what your client base is looking for.
Before you say it is for your own personal entertainment, why would you spend the coin to buy 20 acres, rent equipment to build trails only to NOT turn a profit?

Business caters to the client's needs and the proceeds from it allow you to cater to your own.

 

[RobMcBee]

Not to rehash this meme but......

 

[McCracken]

Stay with me here for a second. You, as a business insider obviously know this but you said 20 acres is all you'd ever need. Well, if this is a business venture, then it is not about what you need and want, but rather about what your client base is looking for.
Before you say it is for your own personal entertainment, why would you spend the coin to buy 20 acres, rent equipment to build trails only to NOT turn a profit?

Business caters to the client's needs and the proceeds from it allow you to cater to your own.

This guy

 

[jeepinmatt]

Go to the Gulches. That's 80 acres. You'll realize that 20's nowhere near enough.

aww cmon...20 is plenty of land in the right setting to build all the trails i would ever need.

20 acres would equal a couple 100 yard trails.

Stay with me here for a second. You, as a business insider obviously know this but you said 20 acres is all you'd ever need. Well, if this is a business venture, then it is not about what you need and want, but rather about what your client base is looking for.
Before you say it is for your own personal entertainment, why would you spend the coin to buy 20 acres, rent equipment to build trails only to NOT turn a profit?

As someone who owns 20 acres (ok, 18 acres, but close enough) and has willingness to build trails and equipment to do it, I believe I can speak intelligently to this topic. I have nearly 2 miles of singletrack dirtbike/mtn bike trails. I have one jeep width trail that is about 1/2 mile if you count the areas that are shared with the singletrack.

The singletrack is an intricate trail system with many intersections and shared portions of trail. The singletrack is fun for me to ride, and is fun with 2 or 3 friends riding too. Anymore than that, and you feel like you are constantly stopping to let someone by or watching too much at the intersections instead of blasting through. I've got hillclimbs on loose dirt, red clay and rocks, I've got some fast flat areas, and some extremely tight technical sections through trees and rocks. I wish I had another 30-40 acres just for the singletrack.

The jeep trail gets ridden about once every 6 months. It also has some decent crawling, and hillclimbs of both dirt and rocks. The rocky hillclimb requires at least 1 locker when dry, 2 lockers when moist, and I've never been foolish/motivated enough to try it in the rain. My point is, it's a pretty good trail for what it is. But 1 lap and I'm done. For me, there's little or no adventure to driving around my property at a low speed bouncing over the trail I've ridden 10 times before. Also, the wide trail takes up so much more property, and requires at least 10 times the work to build. I have a tractor, a skidsteer, and a bulldozer, a couple chainsaws, and an odd propensity to like hard work, so the elements are there. But after building the jeep trail and driving it, I realized that I don't have enough land, and its too much work for not enough benefit. For a personal park, 100 acres would be a good start, maybe 50-60 if you have some extremely awesome rock outcroppings or other features. For an open-to-the-public park, you really need at least double in my opinion. On my 18 acres, I'd be hard pressed to get a mile of jeep trail, and then it would mostly just be driving around, which I can do on the street at a higher speed.

 

[John Fuller]

Stay with me here for a second. You, as a business insider obviously know this but you said 20 acres is all you'd ever need. Well, if this is a business venture, then it is not about what you need and want, but rather about what your client base is looking for.
Before you say it is for your own personal entertainment, why would you spend the coin to buy 20 acres, rent equipment to build trails only to NOT turn a profit?

Business caters to the client's needs and the proceeds from it allow you to cater to your own.

yeah i really meant more for personal use not business which would be enough to suffice me until i get to go to parks lol. for a park business, id want yeah...about 80 at least but for my home playing around to rid of the desire to wheel until an event comes up, 20 would do in the right place!

 

[McCracken]

 

[John Fuller]

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im lost...fill me in. this means I'm Crabby??lol

 

[StretchASU]

 

[drkelly]

I wish the Flats had more open rides too, but i understand and respect what Jason posted. I sometimes have conflicts that prevent me from going.

I had 10 acres at my old house. I cut trails through it. They were fun, but really just barely enough for myself and a buddy to goof off on. They were great for testing after repairs and/or modifications on my rigs. I also road my mountain bike on them, hiked on them and ran on some sections.

 

[Blaze]

im lost...fill me in. this means I'm Crabby??lol

Please tell me that you seriously don't think that is a crab.

 

[krehel24]

I just love how some cut up tires and angle iron long arms welded up with a 110v flux core and a welded diff makes your rig so dam bad ass that you are going to teach these big rig boys somthing, and URE is just not even a challenge for "Your" rig blah blah blah!!!
Bring your "rig" to URE sat night while it's pouring down rain and see how well you do.
I am not saying URE is a major challenge, but the fact that you join this forum 5 months ago, claim you have a off road fab business, yet you are making long arms out of angle iron with some have broken 110v welder then cut the shit out of your tires and go to the Flats and now, o hell!!! You rig is just to bad ass for places like URE and these guys that spend 20k on a rig are stupid! All they had to do was cut their tires up!!! ........

 

[John Fuller]

going to teach these big rig boys somthing,

when did i say i was going to teach anybody anything...nothing wrong with me being proud of my rig.

claim you have a off road fab business,

never claimed to have this either....you need to learn to read

yet you are making long arms out of angle iron

ain't nothing wrong with my arms...you like everyone else just get mad as hell when guys like me can build a ghetto ass jeep for little over a grand and keep up with 4k jeeps. i have learned over the years that's what your kind is/gets so mad about and always putting us down, cause in the end your just jealous that welding front and rear diffs is free and stronger and yet does the same performance or better than your fancy shmancy 900lockers!! you're also mad that you spend so much money on fancy control arms and crap when people like me with ghetto factory ones lengthened or angle iron and they hold up just fine and still perform almost as good. Don't be such a piss ant looser dick...don't hate the builder, hate yourself for spending all that green on fancy stuff just so you can have the name to call it and not look embarrased in front of your buddies. I don't give a dam how ghetto/embarrasing my jeep looks to anyone but when my jeep "FOR WHAT IT IS" <<key words here, can go places that jeeps/trucks built expensive can go, i'm pretty dam proud but i don't go laughing at those guys who spent all that money because i still have a level of respect for their time and money invested until they act like hot shit the way you are...then you can keep your sorry expensive build. You're the second ass on this thread to chime in your low down comments and stick your mouth in places it doesn't belong so like I told the other jackass...mind your own damn business, stay out of my threads, and go be a hater somewhere else...............................................ASS!

 

[hurt4x4]

krehel24 might have exaggerated on a couple of things, but i think you have as well.

guys like me can build a ghetto ass jeep for little over a grand and keep up with 4k jeeps

For a limited amount of time*

welding front and rear diffs is free and stronger and yet does the same performance or better than your fancy shmancy 900lockers!!

I would say any full carrier style locker is stronger than a welded diff. A welded diff is only as strong as the factory carrier. Also not the same performance, for instance; I can switch between open and locked for street driving or better steering with the flick of a switch.

cause in the end your just jealous

I sincerely doubt any of this is out of jealousy. I dare say it might be the other way around.

We all get that you are proud of your jeep, but in the end a $1400 cherokee is a $1400 cherokee. Most people here already know what a cheap cherokee can do, because it's probably the most common vehicle that people start wheeling. I think what krehel24 was getting at, is maybe it would be more beneficial to sit back and learn for a little while instead of trying to teach.

 

[hurt4x4]

John have you ever been to uwharrie? You said uwharrie sucks, then proceeded to ask about brown mtn.
I think you would actually really enjoy the trails at uwharrie if you went.

 

[John Fuller]

For a limited amount of time*

this is very true and i believe that also.

I would say any full carrier style locker is stronger than a welded diff.

i have good reason to believe welding is stronger than anything to a point: why? Pros of welding: if done properly, it's all one solid ball of weld so what does the weak link end up being....the actual axle shafts themselves or the pinion gear cause as i was taught long long ago, when you weld it all solid, you weed out the weak stuff like spider gears, carrier bolt, LS, Locker,etc...when it's welded none of that can break so all you have left to break is the whole thing which. Cons of welding: you can't replace anything so the whole thing grenades which for us jeep guys, that's pretty easy to come by and not expensive at all but if you break a locker, usually it takes gears and others with it.

maybe it would be more beneficial to sit back and learn for a little while instead of trying to teach.

where do yall get this "teaching from" ain't nobody teaching anything but you guys. I just stated that i'm happy with my jeep's performance, proud of it's capability for what it is and so very impressed with these tires i spent a lot of time on that are taking the jeep places i wouldn't have thought possible. that's not teaching...that's just someone sharing their pride and joy no matter what it is.
Last point: what the hell do i need to learn???? how to make control arms? how to stay in the parking lot or I'll grenade my D30/8.25 as others' have made bets on??? or how to sit back and keep off the yellows and reds cause i can't handle them??? brahh, (LMFAO) in yalls dreams. When the park is nasty as hell, wet as the Noah Flood, and sloppy and slick as I hope it is....I will be right there with the rest of yall playing and hitting the same trails and going as far as my tires will take me!!

 

[John Fuller]

John have you ever been to uwharrie? You said uwharrie sucks, then proceeded to ask about brown mtn.
I think you would actually really enjoy the trails at uwharrie if you went.

when i lived in raleigh, yes and i had XJ welded rear, open front on 10lift 36" TSLs cut and it was ok but nothing to really be proud of. The power line trails in Raleigh gave me more challenge than that place so i never went back...and no it wasn't dry. It had rained 3 days that week, one day break, then i went so everything was still muddy as hell but again, i live for mud that's why i spend so much time cutting tires. in 15years one thing I've learned more than anything in this sport....IN ANYTHING MUD, tires is the key PERIOD, after welding of course. Axles, power, torque, gear ratios, accesories all help but tires make the biggest differences in muddy situations. same with snow, you gotta have grip to get up a hill covered in snow, period, along with some wheelspin but wheelspin on not so good tires doesn't get you moving necessarily...i posted a video of that on another thread to show that perfect example of wasted HP and wheelspin in muddy situation! (i guess you could say i'm teaching now but this is stating off road Facts that everyone should know about traction)

 

[RatLabGuy]

I would say any full carrier style locker is stronger than a welded diff. A welded diff is only as strong as the factory carrier. Also not the same performance, for instance; I can switch between open and locked for street driving or better steering with the flick of a switch.

You can also... um... turn.

 

[krehel24]

when i lived in raleigh, yes and i had XJ welded rear, open front on 10lift 36" TSLs cut and it was ok but nothing to really be proud of. The power line trails in Raleigh gave me more challenge than that place so i never went back...and no it wasn't dry. It had rained 3 days that week, one day break, then i went so everything was still muddy as hell but again, i live for mud that's why i spend so much time cutting tires. in 15years one thing I've learned more than anything in this sport....IN ANYTHING MUD, tires is the key PERIOD, after welding of course. Axles, power, torque, gear ratios, accesories all help but tires make the biggest differences in muddy situations. same with snow, you gotta have grip to get up a hill covered in snow, period, along with some wheelspin but wheelspin on not so good tires doesn't get you moving necessarily...i posted a video of that on another thread to show that perfect example of wasted HP and wheelspin in muddy situation! (i guess you could say i'm teaching now but this is stating off road Facts that everyone should know about traction)

I am sure you probably did do fine on falls dam! But what ever! FYI I don't have a big money rig! And it will go anywhere I WANT it to go! But I don't talk about how all these places don't even give a challenge! And I can hang with any 15k big rig! And yall just need to know it's all about tires! Yall are dumb for wasting money on your rig! You are just like every other new member! You have know idea the people, rigs, and experience that is on this forum, I am not saying I am one of them, but after 10years I still listen to advice and never clam that my junk can hang with anyone! There is a reason EVERY one of your threads is littered with this!!! BTW we don't promote illegal wheeling!!

 

[Mac5005]

when i lived in raleigh, yes and i had XJ welded rear, open front on 10lift 36" TSLs cut and it was ok but nothing to really be proud of. The power line trails in Raleigh gave me more challenge than that place so i never went back...and no it wasn't dry. It had rained 3 days that week, one day break, then i went so everything was still muddy as hell but again, i live for mud that's why i spend so much time cutting tires. in 15years one thing I've learned more than anything in this sport....IN ANYTHING MUD, tires is the key PERIOD, after welding of course. Axles, power, torque, gear ratios, accesories all help but tires make the biggest differences in muddy situations. same with snow, you gotta have grip to get up a hill covered in snow, period, along with some wheelspin but wheelspin on not so good tires doesn't get you moving necessarily...i posted a video of that on another thread to show that perfect example of wasted HP and wheelspin in muddy situation! (i guess you could say i'm teaching now but this is stating off road Facts that everyone should know about traction)

Actually wheel speed and momentum matter more what tire you are running in mud and snow. You have to
Have torque to keep the tires spinning, gearing as well.

You need enough wheel speed to get the tires to clean out.

 

[hurt4x4]

"between open and locked for street driving or better steering with the flick of a switch."

You can also... um... turn.

That's what i do most of the time when I'm steering

 

[RatLabGuy]

"between open and locked for street driving or better steering with the flick of a switch."



That's what i do most of the time when I'm steering

As opposed to having 2 welded diffs, where you steer but turning is just a mythical thing that happens occasionally