Lots of interesting news today

awheelterd said:
I didn't read the article, but.....

That's an area that could use some standardization. I see folks all the time walking around with their untrained ankle biter dogs wearing Amazon service vests just because they feel entitled to take there dogs wherever they want. They are doing people who actually have trained and needed service dogs a real disservice. But you can't question anyone.
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It is grossly misused that ruins it for so many people who truly need it. However, it is grossly generic as it is written in the ADA Guidelines.
 
This second part here seems really important:
"What task has the dog been trained to perform?"

"Well, uh, he makes me feel better when there's something I don't like" is probably the honest answer 70% of the time, but like others have said, its abused and misused, ill defined, and the shitheads ruin it for everyone else, but we live in this "you can't question my truths!" society that is spiraling itself towards a fall.
 
benXJ said:
or no 'vest' or ID of any kind walking around Lowes getting in my way

giving legit service needs a bad name
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Lowes is dog friendly. They don't need a vest or ID. What you see at Lowes when the dog is getting in your way is irresponsible pet parents.

If my dog is with me in the Jeep and I have to stop at Lowes, he is on a short leash and I do my best to keep him from bothering people.
 
The service dog thing baffles me. Up until about 5-8 years ago the only service dogs I thought existed were for blind people. Then I learned about dogs for diabetics. I don't understand what the others ones are for.
 
When I drove a bus for Disney, I saw all kinds of "service" animals. The most unique one was the emotional support horse. Yes it was a miniature horse. The person drove it around in the bed of her truck and took it into the parks. Not sure what it actually did but it was well mannered and wore diapers.

I did one time have a service dog on my bus they was being trained. It was early in it's training and it was anything but well behaved. It was a super hyper golden. I'm hoping it calmed down later in it's training as it was a sweet dog. The trainer did her best to keep it under some control and did actually abandon her park visit that day because of the behavior. That is the difference between a responsible parent and the shitheads that don't care.
 
VortecJeep said:
www.thedrive.com

Jeep Owner Calls Out Off-Road Park for Mangling His Broken XJ During Trail Recovery

The owner's son allegedly told the loader operator to recover the XJ Cherokee however he could, but this isn't what he had in mind.
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That cool story led me to this cool story.
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Here's the Real Story of That Jeep Grand Cherokee Airlifted Off a Glacier in Alaska

We talked with the tow company who retrieved it as well as Alaska's Department of Natural Resources to get the full scoop.
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drkelly said:
The service dog thing baffles me. Up until about 5-8 years ago the only service dogs I thought existed were for blind people. Then I learned about dogs for diabetics. I don't understand what the others ones are for.
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There's a lot of pretty slick, totally legit medical reasons.
Seizures for example. They can be trained to detect when a person is likely to be about to have one and warn them to sit down, get prepared.

Allergen detection also, for those people that are ridiculously allergic to weird things.

The reason you haven't been aware of it is its a whole fairly new industry brought on by recent FDA clearings.
 
So now that I’m sat down for the day and have a bit of time to type out my thoughts I’ll expound on the service dog situation. The ada guidelines are very extensive on what a dog can and can’t do in a public environment. Where they are and are not allowed. There are NO guidelines whatsoever on the certifications it takes to get there. There are no “licenses” or federally recognized ID’s (I say federally because the only governing body is the ADA which is a fed organization. Not state). Your service animal doesn’t even have to wear a vest in public. The ADA states a business is allowed to ask 2 questions: “is that a service dog?” “What is its task?” Anything beyond that is a hippa violation.
This is where people get over on the system.
Where a business has a leg to stand on is the guidelines for behavior of the animal. The rules state clearly how the animal should act in a public environment. Say in a restaurant the animal is to be under the table or booth without impeding any form of foot traffic or the operation of said business (wait staff or other patrons). No barking or other vocalizations except to notify others that the handler is need of help.
There are also guidelines on what can be used as a service animal. Dogs (of course) miniature horses are also allowed as mobility animals for the physically impaired.

Where a lot of grey area gets misconstrued is the difference between a “service animal” and an “emotional support animal”. That is a whole different set of rules and guidelines set forth by the ADA.

Some info here: Service Animals
 
awheelterd said:
That's an area that could use some standardization. I see folks all the time walking around with their untrained ankle biter dogs wearing Amazon service vests just because they feel entitled to take there dogs wherever they want. They are doing people who actually have trained and needed service dogs a real disservice. But you can't question anyone.
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wait so are you saying we need more government control and additional regulation? Isn't that how standardization happens?

Currently we have...
skyhighZJ said:
There are NO guidelines whatsoever on the certifications it takes to get there. There are no “licenses” or federally recognized ID’s (I say federally because the only governing body is the ADA which is a fed organization. Not state). Your service animal doesn’t even have to wear a vest in public. The ADA states a business is allowed to ask 2 questions: “is that a service dog?” “What is its task?” Anything beyond that is a hippa violation.
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...so is thsi a problem?
 
RatLabGuy said:
wait so are you saying we need more government control and additional regulation? Isn't that how standardization happens?

Currently we have...

...so is thsi a problem?
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Not real sure what the "best" solution would be. I don't think it's fair that businesses have to allow any and everyone to bring their pets in for fear of being sued. A good plenty of ADA is overly burdensome for businesses. Time for the pendulum to swing back to the middle some.
 
skyhighZJ said:
Where a lot of grey area gets misconstrued is the difference between a “service animal” and an “emotional support animal”. That is a whole different set of rules and guidelines set forth by the ADA.

Some info here: Service Animals
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Isn't everyone's dog or cat an 'emotional support animal'?
 
drkelly said:
Isn't everyone's dog or cat an 'emotional support animal'?
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Yes...and I'll go as far as to say every one of my firearms is ALSO an emotional support :huggy:
 
drkelly said:
Isn't everyone's dog or cat an 'emotional support animal'?
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Not cats. I'm pretty sure we're here to support them. At least that's how they see it. That makes some people feel good though.
 
benXJ said:
www.wral.com

Carrboro sues Duke Energy over climate change

Carrboro leaders said Duke Energy's actions have cost the town millions of dollars and worsened the impacts of climate change, including extreme weather, flooding and rising temperatures.
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Ya know, if in parallel they disconnected from the grid and swore off electricity, I'd give em a lot more credit. But to sit in their Duke Energy powered building with the lights and heat on, after riding over in their Duke Energy powered electric car, while using Duke Energy powered Google Maps servers to navigate on their Duke Energy powered iPhone, its awfully rich to blame Duke Energy.
 
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