Mother of 15 dissapointed in help offered

i hate this they want to regulate everything and stuff maybe they should regulate everything they need to, maybe if you dont want to even try to get a job you should be limited to the # of kids you can have if you have any support by the state
 
central09er said:
i hate this they want to regulate everything and stuff maybe they should regulate everything they need to, maybe if you dont want to even try to get a job you should be limited to the # of kids you can have if you have any support by the state
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x2 and i think if you are on welfare you should be kept sterile, you prove you can support yourself and then you get the opportunity to have kids! think of how much money that would save us!!:lol:

oh i think they should drug test you to get your welfare check or food stamps. and not just for illegal drugs, i think if you are on welfare or disabled you should not be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. that would get a lot of people back to work!
 
didn't they used to sterilize people in NC not too long ago and recently some people have come forward with better lives (I said some) and sued or tried to because of the fact they can't have any kids?
 
bottomland4x4 said:
x2 and i think if you are on welfare you should be kept sterile, you prove you can support yourself and then you get the opportunity to have kids! think of how much money that would save us!!:lol:
oh i think they should drug test you to get your welfare check or food stamps. and not just for illegal drugs, i think if you are on welfare or disabled you should not be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. that would get a lot of people back to work!
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I'd vote to support that.
 
bottomland4x4 said:
x2 and i think if you are on welfare you should be kept sterile, you prove you can support yourself and then you get the opportunity to have kids! think of how much money that would save us!!:lol:
oh i think they should drug test you to get your welfare check or food stamps. and not just for illegal drugs, i think if you are on welfare or disabled you should not be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. that would get a lot of people back to work!
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That has my vote. Why do working people get drug tested to keep their job, but welfare people get their free check no matter what???
 
Devil's advocate

OK so I'm going to throw out a question - b/c it's Friday evening and I have nothing else to do. :confused:

I have a good job and a good wife.
Lets say we decide to have 12 kids.
My wife dosn't work b/c, well, taking care of 12 kids takes every minute she has.
We can afford this b/c I make enough money to feed them. We don't ask anything from anyybody.

Anybody have a problem w/ that?

No?

Ok now lets say I get hit by a bus. Or fall off the roof of the house. Dead. Oops.
Now my wife has 12 kids, no job, and no income.

Would yoou help her out? Would you be pissed?
Does "If you can't feedt hem, don't breed them" apply?
It'd be pretty much guaranteed they'd be on welfare, eh?

[/stir pot]
:popcorn:
 
"Three fathers. One Mother. Fifteen Children."

".....currently serving a five-year prison term for dealing cocaine."

"Someone needs to pay....."


:shaking:
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK so I'm going to throw out a question - b/c it's Friday evening and I have nothing else to do. :confused:
I have a good job and a good wife.
Lets say we decide to have 12 kids.
My wife dosn't work b/c, well, taking care of 12 kids takes every minute she has.
We can afford this b/c I make enough money to feed them. We don't ask anything from anyybody.
Anybody have a problem w/ that?
No?
Ok now lets say I get hit by a bus. Or fall off the roof of the house. Dead. Oops.
Now my wife has 12 kids, no job, and no income.
Would yoou help her out? Would you be pissed?
Does "If you can't feedt hem, don't breed them" apply?
It'd be pretty much guaranteed they'd be on welfare, eh?
[/stir pot]
:popcorn:
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good thing you had a kickass life insurance policy :flipoff2:
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK so I'm going to throw out a question - b/c it's Friday evening and I have nothing else to do. :confused:
I have a good job and a good wife.
Lets say we decide to have 12 kids.
My wife dosn't work b/c, well, taking care of 12 kids takes every minute she has.
We can afford this b/c I make enough money to feed them. We don't ask anything from anyybody.
Anybody have a problem w/ that?
No?
Ok now lets say I get hit by a bus. Or fall off the roof of the house. Dead. Oops.
Now my wife has 12 kids, no job, and no income.
Would yoou help her out? Would you be pissed?
Does "If you can't feedt hem, don't breed them" apply?
It'd be pretty much guaranteed they'd be on welfare, eh?
[/stir pot]
:popcorn:
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Dude, its a vagina, not a clown car.

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Though on serious note, 2 completely different situations. One was able to support a family, the other was never able. I don't mind helping those who can and has supported themselves, but not those who are just a drain on society.

I have a couple in my family on welfare that should be out digging ditches or something other then running a baby factory.
 
RenegadeT said:
good thing you had a kickass life insurance policy :flipoff2:
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Ah, but what if I didn't?

MadAR15 said:
Dude, its a vagina, not a clown car.
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Though on serious note, 2 completely different situations. One was able to support a family, the other was never able.
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Oh really? Do we really know that she was unprovided for before Daddy went to jail?
I mean dude went in for dealing Coke. Decent chance he was high-rollin and could indeed cover all those kids.
So as far as Mrs Clown Car Vagina is concerned, bills are paid, she can keep poppin out the babies (clowns). If it hadn't been for the State putting him in jail, they'd be OK..?

So now that I think of it, maybe the real problem here is the "war on drugs" for removing their income. The end result is we're now paying the bills for Daddy's 3 hots + cot AND welfare for all the kids.... hmmmm...
 
RatLabGuy said:
Ah, but what if I didn't?
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Then that would be an example of irresponsibility. A different form of said, but with a very similar (potential) outcome.

RatLabGuy said:
Oh really? Do we really know that she was unprovided for before Daddy went to jail?
I mean dude went in for dealing Coke. Decent chance he was high-rollin and could indeed cover all those kids.
So as far as Mrs Clown Car Vagina is concerned, bills are paid, she can keep poppin out the babies (clowns). If it hadn't been for the State putting him in jail, they'd be OK..?
So now that I think of it, maybe the real problem here is the "war on drugs" for removing their income. The end result is we're now paying the bills for Daddy's 3 hots + cot AND welfare for all the kids.... hmmmm...
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Or the baby-daddy could have gotten a job or some other source of currently legal income, wherein the state would not have put him in jail.

Again choice and responsibility.

Responsibility.....the lack of it is the repetitive theme in both your thoughts.

I have no problem with welfare as a temporary means to getting by. But when it becomes an entitled way of life (as illustrated by this woman's mindset), then we have a problem. When the draw of welfare exceeds the providers' ability to pay for it, then collapse WILL happen. When the welfare provisions were put in place, the American mindset was far different than it is today. People, as a whole, still took pride in working hard to provide for themselves, and may have needed a hand to get past tough spots.

Now, generations have made it a way of life....taught to their children as acceptable. The helping hand has become a paycheck.

And we are running out of the resources to pay for these entitlements. Eventually this weight on the providers will break their backs, and the system will collapse. It has to.

I fear we are actually at that point now, and the inevitable failure is being prevented by excessive borrowing and spending. It will happen in our childrens' lifetimes, though. How big can the national debt get before it happens, is the question.

With examples such as this, we are building our own third world country, from the inside out.
 
RedX said:
Then that would be an example of irresponsibility. A different form of said, but with a very similar (potential) outcome.
Or the baby-daddy could have gotten a job or some other source of currently legal income, wherein the state would not have put him in jail.
Again choice and responsibility.
Responsibility.....the lack of it is the repetitive theme in both your thoughts.
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Ah, but the point is - whose?

Eveyrbody here is jumping on Mom.
maybe the blame is to be shared or even solely w/ Daddy-O.
If I kick the bucket w/o having insured myself, is that my wife's fault? Not really. I mean, maybe she should have nagged me into it, but in the end, I have to do it, not her.

What if Mamma Clown Car Vagina didn't know about Daddy's criminal activity? He tells her it's "family money', she believes it. Is she at fault then?

Now look I know these are stretches but I'm just pointing out other possibilities/ideas here. Personally I agree she should just be sterilized to keep thsi from continuing at least, and def agree that if on welware, birth control is mandatory.
 
That one guy isn't the father of all the child.

Play devil's advocate all you want. She's a leech on the skin of society, plain and simple.
 
Rich said:
She's a leech on the skin of society, plain and simple.
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you're racist...sexist..anti-child......something...I mean there's no way this chick is completely responsible for her actions, somehow it's got to be someone elses fault, if not at least someone elses problem to deal with.
 
BIGWOODY said:
you're racist...sexist..anti-child......something...I mean there's no way this chick is completely responsible for her actions, somehow it's got to be someone elses fault, if not at least someone elses problem to deal with.
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and this is the exact problem with our Gov't they think exactly this way.

which is total crap..

lets take the duggers for example.. ( the ones with the tv show)..they have what 19 kids.. and they provide for them with no issues.. he has his own company and own real estate, etc.. they do not ask for anything at all.

if you want to have a big family fine but you need to plan on how to provide for them. and living of my tax dollars should not be an option PERIOD
 
RatLabGuy said:
OK so I'm going to throw out a question - b/c it's Friday evening and I have nothing else to do. :confused:
I have a good job and a good wife.
Lets say we decide to have 12 kids.
My wife dosn't work b/c, well, taking care of 12 kids takes every minute she has.
We can afford this b/c I make enough money to feed them. We don't ask anything from anyybody.
Anybody have a problem w/ that?
No?
Ok now lets say I get hit by a bus. Or fall off the roof of the house. Dead. Oops.
Now my wife has 12 kids, no job, and no income.
Would yoou help her out? Would you be pissed?
Does "If you can't feedt hem, don't breed them" apply?
It'd be pretty much guaranteed they'd be on welfare, eh?
[/stir pot]
:popcorn:
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Well if you didn't have life insurance then you would be just as irresponsible as Adams.
I guess I am a hard ass or just cold hearted when it comes to stuff but I will try to explain my opinion. We all make decisions and we all have to live with the decisions we make for the rest of our lives. Nobody should ever have to take responsibility for a decision you have made whether it be the government, Church, your neighbor, your mom and dad, people waiting for a light to change or any other person you may have the palm of your hand facing. Granted, if you are good person, I'm sure you have friends and family bending over backwards to help as I would do for people that I love. If someone in that situation has nobody step up to help them out, then they must not be a good enough person to deserve help. If you and your wife decided to have 12 children, her quit work, you be the sole provider and have no life insurance then you have indirectly made a decision for your wife to have zero means to support herself and your children if something happened to you. That is not my fault or anyone elses and does not grant and hand out from anybody. If no family or friends offer help, then you folks have obviously either pissed way too many people or are not good people and do not deserve to be helped. As for the children in both cases; lessons, no matter how hard and brutal, need to be taught. If the mother and children recieve no help from the government, it would be more likely to break the cycle or in your example not begin a cycle than if they recieved a free rent home, a vehicle, utilities paid, etc by the government.
I take responsibility for all of my decisions and I expect everyone else to do the same.
 
John B. said:
I take responsibility for all of my decisions and I expect everyone else to do the same.
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Exactly. Lots of people lack accountability, and it frustrates me to no end.
 
John B. said:
Well if you didn't have life insurance then you would be just as irresponsible as Adams.
I guess I am a hard ass or just cold hearted when it comes to stuff but I will try to explain my opinion. We all make decisions and we all have to live with the decisions we make for the rest of our lives. Nobody should ever have to take responsibility for a decision you have made whether it be the government, Church, your neighbor, your mom and dad, people waiting for a light to change or any other person you may have the palm of your hand facing. Granted, if you are good person, I'm sure you have friends and family bending over backwards to help as I would do for people that I love. If someone in that situation has nobody step up to help them out, then they must not be a good enough person to deserve help. If you and your wife decided to have 12 children, her quit work, you be the sole provider and have no life insurance then you have indirectly made a decision for your wife to have zero means to support herself and your children if something happened to you. That is not my fault or anyone elses and does not grant and hand out from anybody. If no family or friends offer help, then you folks have obviously either pissed way too many people or are not good people and do not deserve to be helped. As for the children in both cases; lessons, no matter how hard and brutal, need to be taught. If the mother and children recieve no help from the government, it would be more likely to break the cycle or in your example not begin a cycle than if they recieved a free rent home, a vehicle, utilities paid, etc by the government.
I take responsibility for all of my decisions and I expect everyone else to do the same.
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I'm totally with you, I'm not happy about these situations either. In fact we have something similar occuring in my wife's family right now (down to Dad being in Jail).

All I'm saying is, we should ask who it is that really failed the responsibility test - I don't think it was just (or mainly) Momma Hotdog Hallway. IMO Daddy is probably the bigger f-up here.
 
I see cases like this on a daily basis. Many of the people I try to help feel that they're owed something due to the misfortunes they've caused themselves through poor decision-making. Some people use & abuse the system - unfortunately there's not much we can do about it since its become a way of life for many people. Others use it as a stepping stone to get back on their feet & are truly appreciative of the services offered (these are the ones I love working with). In theory, drug testing welfare recipients is a great idea - but not really feasible when you look at the cost & time involved. Rowan County alone has over 46% of households on some form assistance & the guidelines are set to increase this year for Food & Nutrition Services (foodstamps).
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm totally with you, I'm not happy about these situations either. In fact we have something similar occuring in my wife's family right now (down to Dad being in Jail).
All I'm saying is, we should ask who it is that really failed the responsibility test - I don't think it was just (or mainly) Momma Hotdog Hallway. IMO Daddy is probably the bigger f-up here.
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momma opened the hallway door at least 15x...she's responsbile
 
I love how people expect something for nothing, I sold 1995 jeep cherokee few months back for 2000, it rann good a/c works, high mileage 200K, actually a pretty nice jeep, girl come back today to say the steering wheel shimmies when she hits the brakes @ 55mph. I told her she probably needs to have the front rotors turned, apparently this is my fault. Even though she bought the car 2 months ago as is for some reason she is not responsible for doing the regular maitenance and she wants her money back. She has children and I am taking advantage of her. I love it, the age of personal repsonsibility is over.....
 
1983Bronco said:
I love how people expect something for nothing, I sold 1995 jeep cherokee few months back for 2000, it rann good a/c works, high mileage 200K, actually a pretty nice jeep, girl come back today to say the steering wheel shimmies when she hits the brakes @ 55mph. I told her she probably needs to have the front rotors turned, apparently this is my fault. Even though she bought the car 2 months ago as is for some reason she is not responsible for doing the regular maitenance and she wants her money back. She has children and I am taking advantage of her. I love it, the age of personal repsonsibility is over.....
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....you let the gas run out & didn't change the oil every month either!!:shaking:
 
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