all that is interesting. hmmmm where was I that day.... oh yeah, I was taking a NEW TO 4WHEELING friend with a BONE stock (non-rubicon) 2 door JK with 360 miles on the ticker through the park showing him what a jeep can do (even a stocker)- as he was a new guy THAT WANTED TO LISTEN AND LEARN. oh and btw- I was the last one out of the woods Friday night and the first one back in the next AM. I had run all the trails - gone to waffle house and gas station, came back, ran them all again, and back at camp by 8:15am when the stock rig showed up. then I aired up and drove back to Boone by 16:00 sat afternoon.