My 2nd time/experience at The Flats!! AWESOME.

Mac5005 said:
I'll try to save you some time. Get some 37" sticky treps, and 37" sticky krawlers and start there. Both are available to the public, and you can resell either after the test.
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I'll go a step farther and use my BFG racer program membership to place the order for some 37 Reds.
Lemme know @John Fuller. I'll hook you up!
 
Ron, maybe i came off that way but i should've made myself more clear i guess. I just meant on a general basis from what I have observed all my years in this sport and especially recently have noticed many guys on several trails struggle more than needed if they improved their tires, that's all.
Jody, i try and search the Red tires now and in the past and can't really find anything on em...are they just a really soft compound tire
 
well i got my second tire done and boy am i ready to go...2 down, 2 to go. "bring on the rain next trip lol"
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CThurmond said:
An xj should not need 8 inch of lift for 38s for the style of wheeling you do , low COG is your best friend
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i didn't really wanna go 8 but dam good price on the whole kit minus arms. i'm still debating until friday when i was going to buy them so something might change my mind from now till then.
 
retroedaddy said:
You saving all that Rubber ? You could probably melt it down and cast yourself a new spare,lol. Looks like they are gonna grab for sure !
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LOL, i actually use it for mulch in certain areas around the shop and i've used tons of it to fill in the drain pipe ditches (if that makes sense). I'm really curious to know how they will do on some rocky stuff like that Rock Ledge part that everyone tells me is the only place i'd probably have to winch. the thornbird isn't the softest compound but seems softer than tsl when cutting it and now these lugs are really soft and flex pretty good so i'm hoping i won't struggle on the rocks as much as last time. dirt in their old cut form was awesome but the rocks were still a little troublesome so now I'm hoping to have better grip on those as well. (I still don't like rocks as wheeling preference but it grew on me last trip a little. I mostly don't like how they tear up your tires when you have to get on it)
 
i think i will def enter the mud race one event if others sign up in open class with these tires now, lol. I'd love to see how they sling some mud now!!
 
The sticky krawlers, the red labels are a super soft compound that work better once the carcass is broken in , and do better with 12-15 psi, and lower psi usually doesn't help traction but means more sidewall cuts.
 
^^^oh that's what i figured they were. i finally found them...there's blue and red label. DAM they're expensive though...
 
i should've read more...i didn't know they weren't open to the public...why wouldn't they sell a "sticky" tire to the public? and i guess 500 for 39s is ok,still too steep for me if i was buying new tires but since i like more dirt/mud trails than rocks, i would have to go with thornbirds or LTB which i have yet to get a hold of and take a groover to. i wonder what i could do to a set of Baja Claw tires...looks like they could be pretty good deep lateral tread blocks if I could go deep enough. Something about tires fascinate me: first time i look at a tire..even brand new..is "how could i make that way better" and in my 8 years of grooving, i have not come across a tire yet that i have not been able to transform into something much more impressive than stock form. I'm LOL right now cause as I'm typing this, i just realized i'm pretty much promoting a business of Tire Grooving without really noticing that i'm doing that LOL, sorry don't mean to. I hope it's wet, maybe really wet at the park next trip to kick start this Grooving fettish i have and hopefully be able to help others improve their trail experience once i am able to show some good differences. (Heck i might get a wild hair up my ... and just go straight to Ol Stumpy if it's wet and say the hell with it...get it and go lol. I can be crazy like that, i used to be a crazy wheeler but calmed down long time ago when i got married and the family expenses came first)
 
I don't know why so many people think the red label krawlers and treps suck in the dirt or mud. Seen both have no problem in either, and honestly still do better than tsl or bogger, cut or not.

I think the treps lack in lateral traction, sliding too much side to side.

Here is a video of red labels doing work in a zero traction muddy wet slop.




If I could afford a set of 39" reds and some 17" beadlocks, I would definitely give them a shot, and I love my 42" sx2's.
 
awesome videos. it seems my speculation of TSL being a harder compound holds some truth to it. now the real kicker would be to cut some of these "stickies" and then test them...the way they grip...surely would be twice as good with lug pattern opened up a bit, especially in the mud but i was very impressed with the rocks.
 
Mac5005 said:
Warning: don't go to Hardline and start stirring the pot without your flame suit.
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that was pretty good...i like the way you worded that. good laughs!!
 
those are some pretty sick videos period!!lol even without proving tire differences, that's some serious crazy off roading. It amazes me/mind boggles me what some of you guys tackle out there and venture into....ya'll are nuts lol. much props and respect to the amount of money, time, skill, finesse, and guts it takes for that kind of crazy wheeling!!
 
There are tons of differences in compound between interco tires. Ex: iroks softer than tsls, 47" ltbs harder than anything.

My 42" sx2's are a much softer compound compared to the 38.5" ones we have, and are similar to our 42" iroks. While our 42" tsl seem harder than the sx's, but softer than boggers.

As well age and uv light makes the rubber harder.

If you want to be serious about your tire tech, get your self a rubber durometer. It measures the hardness of a compound. It's been publicized that red label krawlers have an average durometer hardness of 65, with sticky treps being closer to 60.

Test each tire you come across and you can note the trend of what kind of traction it gets based on the compound.

Perhaps you should start a new thread for tire tech, and have a moderator/admin clean up this thread of the hijack.



Here is a video of cut sticky sx's. Note how the fronts have a simple cut across the center of the center lugs. This is very common to allow it to flex better and have more biting edges. Notice how the rears are what is commonly referred to as "tn cut" having half of each opposite center lug removed increasing the void area.



TC in the past had a set of cut boggers that had been cut into the carcass of the tire, creating over 2" deep tread, with every other lug, the small ones, all removed. Worked well until he started tearing entire lugs off.


Bobby tanner currently runs cut boggers with every other lug removed.

This video is the same hill as the video above with TC.
 
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hey, need some advise on my wheels/tire setup. would i be better off putting these tires on say 15x10s
Mac5005 said:
If you want to be serious about your tire tech, get your self a rubber durometer. It measures the hardness of a compound.
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this is cool to know. just might have to get into one of these. first i'm trying to get a hold of a Van Alstein Groover so i can really get serious with this business and offer way better prices i hope so many more people can afford it!!
 
for the love of all that is Holy- somebody make this guy go away, AGAIN
Hes been on 2 trips to a teeny park, in perfect weather, and now hes spewing loads of tech?o_O
wait till he blows up that 8.25 with those grooved abortions and see who pulls him out- since he doesn't believe in winches.
oh wait, he'll hook that 400miles of chain to that 2" trailer hitch ball and send it all careening into the woods.
 
Chuckman said:
for the love of all that is Holy- somebody make this guy go away, AGAIN
Hes been on 2 trips to a teeny park, in perfect weather, and now hes spewing loads of tech?o_O
wait till he blows up that 8.25 with those grooved abortions and see who pulls him out- since he doesn't believe in winches.
oh wait, he'll hook that 400miles of chain to that 2" trailer hitch ball and send it all careening into the woods.
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Different strokes for different folks. I just wish these threads didn't have so many words in them. I get tired of reading and just skip ahead.
 
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