My answer to safer schools

I was just watching on CNN what they are proposing is National Guard being used to defend schools. Sounds great until the part when they mention that they would still be subject to state and local laws. Reading in between the lines that means no guns since schools are still gun-free zones. To me, that just adds one more target for the bad guy to shoot at. As I've been reading - first rule in surviving a gun fight... have a gun.
 
Reactionism....lets use National guard!!

problem..too many schools,too many days in the school year. Not enough instances of school shooting to warrant this. I know I know..sounds awful on my part, huh?

Teachers are already there..everyday. SCD's is the way to go. Why spend thousand of dollars in one single county per week, on something that probably wont happen,school shootings are probably more rare than being struck by lightning. SCD's will blend in and fade to the background. 99.9% will never have to think about firing a shot in school. All for free!
 
Dylan W. said:
Reactionism....lets use National guard!!

problem..too many schools,too many days in the school year. Not enough instances of school shooting to warrant this. I know I know..sounds awful on my part, huh?

Teachers are already there..everyday. SCD's is the way to go. Why spend thousand of dollars in one single county per week, on something that probably wont happen,school shootings are probably more rare than being struck by lightning. SCD's will blend in and fade to the background. 99.9% will never have to think about firing a shot in school. All for free!
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I agree.... the problem is as Americans, we get lulled into a false sense of security when things revert to the status quo. As odd as it sounds, we just don't have the number of violent acts occuring on a regular basis to keep us on our toes. Think about it, after 9/11, there wasn't a single airline passenger who complained about long lines and invasive TSA searches. Everyone wanted to feel safe and if that meant being subjected to some humiliation and inconveniance, nobody cared. Fast forward a couple years and all the sudden the budgets are cut and we want our "freedom" back. Freedom to not have to take off our shoes. Freedom to not have to stand in long lines. Freedom to not have to carry less than 6 oz of liquid in bottles on the plane.

The irony of these school shootings is that they happen "where nobody would expect it". You hear that all the time in these. Columbine, Newtown, etc are all "sleepy little towns rocked by violence that nobody saw coming". It's all reactionism. I think the National Guard would be an acceptible solution as long as you let them do what they do in the manner that they do it. Don't put an unarmed man at a post and call it Security.
 
Ill chime in here. It wouldn't be cost effective to post a fire team of NG soldiers in every school. I think that any CCW holder that is a teacher should be able to carry in schools. Any prior military honorably discharged with a CCW should be able to carry at school. Any current military with a CCW should be able to carry in schools. Recruiters (like me sitting in a high school right now) should be able to carry. I have to take my weapon off my hip and lock it up at my office every time I go to a school ( at least 3x a week). I have to leave my pocket knife in my vehicle. I am sitting in a high school right now and my most dangerous weapon is the ink pen in front of me.
 
having them pass the CCW class would weed out the bad ones anyway
btw, there are guns in every school in america >4th grade. I guarantee it.
 
RatLabGuy said:
let me guess - Israel?

While this is an entertaining photo and gets right to the point, I'm not sure they are the model of peace and tranquility either :D
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Yup Eastern Isreal.maybe they are not, not but are school shootings a model of piece and tranquility anywhere??
 
Dylan, if you want this to have a reasonable, feasible chance of working, consider tazers instead of handguns. That eliminates the likelihood of fatal accidents, and opens up the opportunities for most of the teachers and administrators to be "armed".
 
jeepinmatt said:
Dylan, if you want this to have a reasonable, feasible chance of working, consider tazers instead of handguns. That eliminates the likelihood of fatal accidents, and opens up the opportunities for most of the teachers and administrators to be "armed".
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Tazers are limited in distance, don't work through thick clothing - and you really only get 1 shot. Good small band aid but simply not as effective.
 
Texas has it right... Guardian Plan

Thweatt said there have been no incidents since October 2007, when his district adopted the plan giving an unspecified number of teachers and school staff -- dubbed "Guardians" -- authority to carry concealed weapons on school premises. Participating staff are anonymous and known only to Thweatt and the school board, which must approve each application for an employee to become a Guardian. They receive a small stipend annually.
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I'd vote for that.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Dylan, if you want this to have a reasonable, feasible chance of working, consider tazers instead of handguns. That eliminates the likelihood of fatal accidents, and opens up the opportunities for most of the teachers and administrators to be "armed".
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Considering tazers would be the opposite of this working. Maybe if school shooters would agree to become school tazers instead..
 
i think the combination of filling the void of "good" teachers with vets, and having them be the scd and no one in the school knows except the principal and said newly hired vet teacher. no speak about experiences with other teachers. who knows more about confidentiality than a returning vet? that covers the cost of training and avoiding the cost of an extra person "standing guard at the front door". who's gonna guard the back? or the sides? or the playground? or the parking lot? only places where teachers go routinely with kids? thats alot of places for one guardsman to be at once.
 
I like how you guys are just assuming that vets want to be teachers...
Frankly I think it's pretty well proven that "good teachers" are born, not really made or just happen after being put in that position.
 
Here is another idea. Allow any CCW holder to obtain a school endorsement for their permit. Kinda like a motorcycle endorsement on your DL. School endorsement would require personal interview from the county sheriff. Also, you must notify the principal or assistant principal when you enter a school. Endorsements would only be good for that county. Example: I live in Cleveland County, kids attend Cleveland County Schools and work in Gaston County (in the schools almost every day). I would have to interview with both county sheriffs to carry in both county schools.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
Here is another idea. Allow any CCW holder to obtain a school endorsement for their permit. Kinda like a motorcycle endorsement on your DL. School endorsement would require personal interview from the county sheriff. Also, you must notify the principal or assistant principal when you enter a school. Endorsements would only be good for that county. Example: I live in Cleveland County, kids attend Cleveland County Schools and work in Gaston County (in the schools almost every day). I would have to interview with both county sheriffs to carry in both county schools.
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Run for some kind of political office so I can vote for you, please...... I don't care if you have any other qualifications, you have common sense and that's not very common anymore.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Run for some kind of political office so I can vote for you, please...... I don't care if you have any other qualifications, you have common sense and that's not very common anymore.
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I would get assassinated. I have too many other ideas on other problems that would actually work but piss a lot of people off.
 
From an article I read on the NRA press conference

LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.
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That sounds good but I don't have High hopes. Perhaps if someone wanted to clean this idea up send it to her.
 
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