My apology

Seeing Red Again

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Dear Mr. Nissan truck on mud tires owner that was stuck behind me this morning,

I apologize that my slow driving at 6:45am this morning on backroads with ice and snow on them forced you to tailgate me. I apologize that I have the belief that I owe it to my family and other drivers on the road to drive slow enough so that if I hit black ice that I will not loose control of my locked and lifted Jeep and crash into them. I apologize that my cautious slowing down well before a stop sign gives you no choice but to follow me so closely that you couldn't fit an ATV between us. And I apologize for the evil eye you gave me when you went around me.

However I can make it up to you. When you crash on a snow and ice covered road and you have not damaged your vehicle beyond driving condition or injured someone else, feel free to contact me. I would be happy to come winch you out.

You will just have to wait for me to drive cautiously to come rescue you.......

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Manual? Downshift.:driver:
 
Not gonna lie...I think common courtesy there is to pull over and let them pass. Maybe he is just that much better of a driver in the wintery weather.
 
^^^No worries...in the end you just have to worry about yourself, but usually I like to keep those kinds of drivers as far away from me as possible, just in case they're not as good as they think.
 
UTfball68 said:
Maybe he is just that much better of a driver in the wintery weather.
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That's how the idiots end up in the ditch. A better driver is a slower more cautious driver when it comes to snow and ice.
 
Tailgateing is dangerous enough on dry roads. On rain or snowy/icy rds its just plain stupid and the last time i checked if you hit someone from behind, even on an icy road your still at fault. I might have brake checked him cause my trucks are beaters anyway:lol:
 
i would of developed telekinetic powers and waved him over into a river.
 
Blaze said:
That's how the idiots end up in the ditch. A better driver is a slower more cautious driver when it comes to snow and ice.
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I beg to differ. You're cruising down a road marked 55mph, there's some slush/snow on the road...so you're doing 35mph just fine...you come up on some cat doing 15 mph, they're the hazzard...not you. The key to good snow/ice driving is momentum while minimizing acceleration, otherwise you'll be the one not able to get up the hill. I also think the northern folks on this board will attest to being waaaay more adept at winter driving than the born and raised southerners. My folks who were born and bred in northern Wisconsin, I think could handle the roads at faster rate of speed than most of the acclaimed good winter drivers down here. Does that make them more dangerous, hell no...it makes them more experienced and more comfortable with the situation. I agree more caution is needed for winter weather driving, but it can done above the granny gear with some tact.
 
That's how the idiots end up in the ditch. A better driver is a slower more cautious driver when it comes to snow and ice.
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I agree 99% of the time, but I've seen some very impressive drivers around the ski resorts out west. A big part of it was that they had the right gear (almost always an AWD Subaru on snow tires), but sometimes you have to give credit where credit is due.

But yeah, around here most of the time the people who appear to be going fast are just ignorant to the abilities of themselves and their vehicle. I always tell people that 4WD might help propel your car forward, but it doesn't do a bit of good when you jam on the brakes. Most accidents in the snow are going to happen when you can't stop; not when you can't go.

Best thing to do is just let them by and hope they don't take you out on the pass. If you ever drive on 40 from Raleigh to RTP after a storm you'll almost certainly see a car or two in the ditch that passed you just minutes before.
 
There is no reason to tailgate. Ever. Its called a safe following distance for a reason.

If there is someone creeping, adjust accordingly, maintain a buffer then pass, riding someones ass is pointless and stupid.

A pikes peak draft/drift/fishtail maneuver isn't necessary going to get a biscuit on the way to work.
 
I lived in NJ for one winter.
Anyone can drive in northern snow/ice...they have real snow..it packs down tight and is quite tracky.

Down here we get ice.
Last ice storm I did a little survey. In my 74 mile daily commute I passed 16 cars in a ditch or otherwise spun out.
7 had out of state plates. 6 of the 7 were from northern climats and he 7th was a floida plate with a NY Yankees window sticker.

UTfball68 said:
I beg to differ. You're cruising down a road marked 55mph, there's some slush/snow on the road...so you're doing 35mph just fine...you come up on some cat doing 15 mph, they're the hazzard...not you. The key to good snow/ice driving is momentum while minimizing acceleration, otherwise you'll be the one not able to get up the hill. I also think the northern folks on this board will attest to being waaaay more adept at winter driving than the born and raised southerners. My folks who were born and bred in northern Wisconsin, I think could handle the roads at faster rate of speed than most of the acclaimed good winter drivers down here. Does that make them more dangerous, hell no...it makes them more experienced and more comfortable with the situation. I agree more caution is needed for winter weather driving, but it can done above the granny gear with some tact.
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Tech11 said:
Manual? Downshift.:driver:
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Genius, then when your rear tires start to slide from downshifting, the tailgater can t-bone you in the side when you fishtail around. :popcorn:
 
GCncsuHD said:
Genius, then when your rear tires start to slide from downshifting, the tailgater can t-bone you in the side when you fishtail around. :popcorn:
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Then you call that ambulance chaser on the TV with the cowboy hat.:huggy: Or the one playin the harmonica.
 
Hurley said:
Thanks Tech11, Ron & GCncsuHD for some rational and thoughtful replies
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The cowboy hat and harmonica lawyer one, right? :lol:
 
Ron said:
I lived in NJ for one winter.
Anyone can drive in northern snow/ice...they have real snow..it packs down tight and is quite tracky.
Down here we get ice.
Last ice storm I did a little survey. In my 74 mile daily commute I passed 16 cars in a ditch or otherwise spun out.
7 had out of state plates. 6 of the 7 were from northern climats and he 7th was a floida plate with a NY Yankees window sticker.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying safety and caution shouldn't be taken...I'm just saying getting behind the teenage girl in a VW bug going 5mph who is afraid of driving in any kind of 'weather' is kind of annoying to be behind. Flip side of that, if I'm her dad I'm proud of her being safe rather than sorry.

I'm also not saying 'northern' drivers are gods when it comes to winter driving, just that they're more exposed and have more experience. As I'm sure folks from the mountains of NC probably have a little more exposure to winter driving than folks of the piedmont and coast.
 
UTfball68 said:
I also think the northern folks on this board will attest to being waaaay more adept at winter driving than the born and raised southerners.
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:driver: Quoted for posterity.

UTfball68 said:
I'm also not saying 'northern' drivers are gods when it comes to winter driving, just that they're more exposed and have more experience.
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As we were leaving the ski slope the other day in the minivan passing 4wd's in the ditch my daughter asked me to teach her to drive in the snow when she gets here license.:bounce2:


And I agree. Just move over. I know this guy should not have been tailgating, however you can only control you, and the safer thing to do was let this guy pass.
 
Tailgating

I believe the first post was about tailgating, but the weather conditions jumped out. Yea, we have all experienced all the crap. I don't drive that slow, usually above the speed limit, but when one gets on my bumper, I try to maintain my speed. But many times their overbearing "draft", causes me to lose speed.[haha]. I've nearly been rear-ended in a 35mph. School Zone! And on my 20mph street/with 2 schools, police refuse to enforce anything. I usually speed 25-30mph to my driveway, with traffic backing up, & riding my bumper. I've told the Police, I'm just waiting on one to pull in my driveway, & discuss the speed limit. There face might hit my fist! As for ice & snow, I also live on a short incline. Had drivers plow thru my front yard, on the down hill. And the ones' that decide to come up hill, don't get enough speed to make it! Lost count of the ones I've seen, that had NO business on the street. Sometimes I stand on my porch, & just shake my head at the asses. NO WAY, I would help them!
Sorry to go over the 2 cents; that had to be a nickels worth:lol:
 
Maybe you should consider the other point of view. I wasn't driving the nissan, but take a look.

I accept your apology, but just because you can't drive doesn't mean you have to clog the road. I was hoping you would get the hint and pull over, but finally I got around you. I can only hope next time that when a more skilled drivers approaches you are curtious enough to pull over and let them pass.

BTW - I had no problems driving and didn't end up in the ditch.

That is my reply because I have a similar problem as your nissan driver. I get up at my normal time and notice an inch or two of snow. No big deal to me as I know how to drive so I get ready as normal. I head to work with plenty of time to spare as I like to get there about 15 minutes early. The first thing I notice is tracks are in the middle of the two lane road. I hope nobody is coming my way. I make fresh tracks on my side hoping others will follow. I wonder if they have such poor eyesite that they can't tell where the edges of the road are? It's pretty obvious to me. So I'm doing 30mph and come upon granny doing 10mph. I see them well in advance so approach slowly. Now we have a problem. If they are so scared to drive why are they even out? I have to wait for an opportunity to pass and hope they don't do anything stupid. By passing I am taking some risk, but being late for work is silly when I left with plenty of time to spare and there is no reason to drive that slow.

Just remember there's always two sides the story and neither side is 100% right.
 
UTfball68 said:
I beg to differ. You're cruising down a road marked 55mph, there's some slush/snow on the road...so you're doing 35mph just fine...you come up on some cat doing 15 mph, they're the hazzard...not you. The key to good snow/ice driving is momentum while minimizing acceleration, otherwise you'll be the one not able to get up the hill. I also think the northern folks on this board will attest to being waaaay more adept at winter driving than the born and raised southerners. My folks who were born and bred in northern Wisconsin, I think could handle the roads at faster rate of speed than most of the acclaimed good winter drivers down here. Does that make them more dangerous, hell no...it makes them more experienced and more comfortable with the situation. I agree more caution is needed for winter weather driving, but it can done above the granny gear with some tact.
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Another good reason for northerners to stay away from the south. We don't need them hitting us in the ass while driving in the snow.


GubNi said:
Maybe you should consider the other point of view. I wasn't driving the nissan, but take a look.
I accept your apology, but just because you can't drive doesn't mean you have to clog the road. I was hoping you would get the hint and pull over, but finally I got around you. I can only hope next time that when a more skilled drivers approaches you are curtious enough to pull over and let them pass.
BTW - I had no problems driving and didn't end up in the ditch.
That is my reply because I have a similar problem as your nissan driver. I get up at my normal time and notice an inch or two of snow. No big deal to me as I know how to drive so I get ready as normal. I head to work with plenty of time to spare as I like to get there about 15 minutes early. The first thing I notice is tracks are in the middle of the two lane road. I hope nobody is coming my way. I make fresh tracks on my side hoping others will follow. I wonder if they have such poor eyesite that they can't tell where the edges of the road are? It's pretty obvious to me. So I'm doing 30mph and come upon granny doing 10mph. I see them well in advance so approach slowly. Now we have a problem. If they are so scared to drive why are they even out? I have to wait for an opportunity to pass and hope they don't do anything stupid. By passing I am taking some risk, but being late for work is silly when I left with plenty of time to spare and there is no reason to drive that slow.
Just remember there's always two sides the story and neither side is 100% right.
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So you got up at normal time knowing there was a possibility of snow on the ground knowing you should allow extra time to get to work than normal? Most reasonable people take extra caution when anything is on the ground so yes they will be slower. Then you passed them and put everyone in danger because you thought your job was more important. Doesn't seem logical to me.
 
I saw a sticker on a huge high dollar over the road rig the other day. It looked all official and everything. It said...

If you have a issue with the operation of this truck please speak to the owner. He is located 58 feet ahead of you!
 
lockedup5 said:
Another good reason for northerners to stay away from the south. We don't need them hitting us in the ass while driving in the snow.
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And I'll reiterate...regardless of yankee or southerner, you can still slide while crawling and you can be perfectly safe while passing people. It's all about experience/skill and comfort level. If you're impeding traffic, be courteous and pull over or stay home.
 
I came up on a driver going 30 this morning in a 55. No snow or ice on the roads this morning in these parts. I passed them. My Jeep is lifted and locked too, fwiw.

Now on the bridges, that's a different story.
 
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