My Rant

[kdunc]

If I throw my trash in yo' jeep, if you mind it you'll clean it out. what's problem??? lol

 

[tusk762]

I'm one of the people that always cleans up trash left on the beach and trail that was left by others. But beach pollution and dirt at a carwash are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS! You can't compare trash and pollution with dirt that fell off a truck and didn't all make it down the drain at once. when the next person uses it, their water and dirt runoff will help get the last of the mud left behind washed down the drain.
Do that, i dare you. you fuck with someone else's rig you better be able to handle what happens to you. I don't think that can of worms needs to be opened

just out of curiousity what would happen,by the way i got a can opener

 

[Rich]

You can't compare trash and pollution with dirt that fell off a truck and didn't all make it down the drain at once. when the next person uses it, their water and dirt runoff will help get the last of the mud left behind washed down the drain.

Nope.. Because if I pull up to a scene like that in my car, I'm not even going to use it. Why should I have to stand in the mud you left behind while I rinse off the thin layer of grime off my car? Washing a normal car will not get the shit that was in his picture will take a deliberate effort to clean it, and 99% of the vehicles that go to a car wash don't have even a *fraction* of that amount of dirt on them.

Still, I can never advocate doing anything to another person's vehicle in retaliation.. I think the worst I've ever done it put a piece of trash under a guy's windshield wiper that he threw out the door as he was parking. I thought maybe it fell out on accident..

 

[Ron]

wow....

 

[ol'Jeeps]

The money argument is lame.

Its just being too F&^%IN' lazy to clean up after themselves! Mommy cleaned up after 'em their whole lives, but they just forgot to take her to the carwash with 'em!

Grow the hell up!


Oh...on a brighter note... the owner appreciated the nice helmets though!

 

[Rob]

You missed the point dirtysouth, it's your total lack of disrespect for someone else's property. It doesn't matter that you paid to use it. It's his business, his property and he makes a living off of it. It's the disrespect and the "all about me" attitude towards it that sets you apart from others.

 

[RufusTheRam]

Do that, i dare you. you fuck with someone else's rig you better be able to handle what happens to you. I don't think that can of worms needs to be opened

i dare YOU to come to my place of business and trash or disrespect it in any way. if i owned a car wash and someone left it like that, you better believe there would be hell to pay for assholes like you. you'd wish it was your rig i'd gotten a hold of instead.

it's the car wash's courtesy (not job) to provide you with the materials, resources, and space to wash your vehicle. if but for nothing else than this one technicality, that much mud exceeds the provisions that they've allowed you to use. mud in that amount and drains don't play nice. you might as well be stealing from the owner as to clog the drains with your mud.

also, it's a private company on private property. there is no expectation or requirement of services to be provided. it's not "their job" to do a damn thing. they can turn the car wash into a plant watering shop if they want. where are they required to give you jack shit? you, however, are required by law to keep a certain level of responsibility and care for the business because IT'S NOT YOURS. they determine this level. if you break it by acting like a stupid ass redneck leaving 3 inches of mud around, they've got every right to pursue compensation against you. you better get your head out of your ass figure out how things work.

No I would not spend .50 more to clean the concrete up. Vehicle payments, costs of living, and school payments are where I place my priorities.

ME ME ME WAAAH get that word out of your head and quit acting like a spoiled ass bitch. get your momma's ugly ass tit out of your mouth, grow a fucking pair of nuts, and take some action in your life! it's now going to be my personal goal to follow you around here, and anytime you need anything, anything at all, give you a resounding FAWK NO, DO IT YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY SELF ASSHOLE.

so what, the guy there can make the car wash turn on for free and clean it. O no he has to get up off his ass and actually do something to make that money.

oh, shut the HELL up. since when did you become grand fucking commissioner of car washes? if that dude wants to sit on his ass all collected quarters and expect you to clean up he well within his rights. how he makes his living is of no consequence to you as long as he provides the services advertised.

seriously, a lot of you need to lose the ME shit around here and in real life. it's just not what we're about. if that can't change, i'm in favor of some beatings about the head with a ban stick.

i swear, some of you boys must be nothing more than a fat sack of rotten vagina to instigage this kind of shit against your fellow man. we don't let whiny babies hang around, i suggest sucking it up quick. i can only hope that one day you really a helping hand, and someone looks back at this and goes "ya know what... NOT TODAAAY JR.!!"

 

[Ricky B]

you know what i was just thinking???

i havent heard from ricky lately on here

stfu, I'm staying outta this argument for a reason




But seriously I have my own pressure washer so I don't have to waste $$ at those carwashes, plus I actually don't wash my Jeep after I wheel since its 7 different colors it looks better mud coated

Buuuut, while I do not advocate leaving your mud everywhere at those washes I don't agree with the arguments that are being made on the pro cleanup side.

I also don't think "it costs too much" is a legitimate claim either for not cleaning up side, a few dollars is nothing, I'm sorry, but its not, you cant even buy a a burger, fries, and a drink off the dollar menu at Wendys for less than three dollars.

I'm not going to sit here and try and argue thou because online arguments don't work, points DO NOT get conveyed properly, EVER when your trying to argue online, so I'm not going to try and argue either way.

but just to clarify I do think ethics dictate that you clean up after yourself I just don't agree, for the most part, with the arguments being presented as to why.

 

[dirtySouth]

just out of curiousity what would happen,by the way i got a can opener

WELL....since you had to ask. Fucking with someone elses vehicle is completely different than leaving mud at a carwash. If you do see my friends rubicon and decide to fuck with it, you are starting the vehicle war. You do something to someones vehicle, don't go crying when something gets done in retaliation to yours. Still want to use that can opener?

 

[Ricky B]

Somebody lock the thread before it goes any further, at this point nobody will win . . . .

 

[kdunc]

Vehicle War!! AAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dude, get off the tard throttle...

 

[360 Spyder]

And the award for the most childish response goes too...

WELL....since you had to ask. Fucking with someone elses vehicle is completely different than leaving mud at a carwash. If you do see my friends rubicon and decide to fuck with it, you are starting the vehicle war. You do something to someones vehicle, don't go crying when something gets done in retaliation to yours. Still want to use that can opener?

 

[jeepmkcomin]

Ya know, life doesn't end when the warranty runs out.. You could drive something a little older and have LOTS of money left over...

The beauty of this is that it's my choice what I want to drive. I want something reliable with the option of a roof. You are older and more established thus you have the money for a daily driver and a tubed out fj. I don't have a salary yet, I make hourly wages and go to college at the same time.

Let's see here... college boy driving a modded '06 Rubi... Hmmm... sounds like some Mommy and Daddy funding going on there? Yet he can't spend and extra buck to wash a bay after washing his poor wittle Jeep...
And I bet he does not wash his own clothes either because that costs money too and it's not his fault the clothes don't stay clean... They should do that on their own!
I bet he also leaves his tray on the table after eating in the cafeteria or the food court because he is not the one who put the food on the tray to begin with...
Clean the sink after shaving? Hell no... not his sink... not his problem. (Oh wait... that assumes he's old enough and mature enough to shave...)
Anyone defending the mess in the pics that started this thread... I would hate to go to your houses/dorm room... I have visions of pig pens in mind.
Didn't your momma teach you to clean up after yourselves?
Here's an idea college boy... buy one less beer on Friday night and you'll have $3 extra bucks to wash the friggin bay.

I guess you missed the part where I said car payment, cost of living, and living space... (apartment, food, gas). Also, I don't spend the money on $3 beers, believe it or not I choose not to drink.

Get a job and stop bitching about how you cant pay for .50 cents extra to clean up after yourself.

Who says I don't have a job?

tusk, just look around wilmington for the stock 06 rubi with the winch and synthetic rope, when you find it, dump the three nearest trashcans in/on it. Let the little fawker clean up after someone else for a change.

People go to car washes to wash off dirt just like people use a trash can for placing trash... complete lack of logic in your analogy.

You missed the point dirtysouth, it's your total lack of disrespect for someone else's property. It doesn't matter that you paid to use it. It's his business, his property and he makes a living off of it. It's the disrespect and the "all about me" attitude towards it that sets you apart from others.

His business is based on the assumption that people will come there with a dirty vehicle. If people didn't have dirty vehicles he wouldn't make a living.

i dare YOU to come to my place of business and trash or disrespect it in any way. if i owned a car wash and someone left it like that, you better believe there would be hell to pay for assholes like you. you'd wish it was your rig i'd gotten a hold of instead.

it's the car wash's courtesy (not job) to provide you with the materials, resources, and space to wash your vehicle. if but for nothing else than this one technicality, that much mud exceeds the provisions that they've allowed you to use. mud in that amount and drains don't play nice. you might as well be stealing from the owner as to clog the drains with your mud.

oh, shut the HELL up. since when did you become grand fucking commissioner of car washes? if that dude wants to sit on his ass all collected quarters and expect you to clean up he well within his rights. how he makes his living is of no consequence to you as long as he provides the services advertised.

i swear, some of you boys must be nothing more than a fat sack of rotten vagina to instigage this kind of shit against your fellow man. we don't let whiny babies hang around, i suggest sucking it up quick. i can only hope that one day you really a helping hand, and someone looks back at this and goes "ya know what... NOT TODAAAY JR.!!"

Again: His business is based on the assumption that people will come there with a dirty vehicle. If people didn't have dirty vehicles he wouldn't make a living. If someone goes through an automatic carwash and mud falls off should they run it again without the vehicle in it?

Also very mature on your end telling me to grow up and then posting on every for sale thread I have trying to ruin my reputation as a seller. I have had many successful transactions with people made in person. The only way I'll deal with people is in person in fact. Sure does take the risk out of getting scammed. I'm not going to slander you in return but it would be nice to see the slander written about me removed considering I've never done a transaction with you in particular.

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And in the end... I have no interest in messing with anyone's stuff unless I'm messed with... in fact I'd probably call the police if I was vandalized before bothering to stoop down to the level some of you are trying to instigate. I can't help my opinion differs from everyone elses but I'm not going to apologize for having a different stance on this. Also if you think I'm that bad of a person because of my stance on the car wash... try asking me for help with other things such as that hobby we all share on this board, building up our rigs. Ask me for help wrenching sometime in the area. I love helping people work on vehicles and will do what I can to help others out.

 

[dirtySouth]

Vehicle War!! AAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dude, get off the tard throttle...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[RufusTheRam]

People go to car washes to wash off dirt just like people use a trash can for placing trash... complete lack of logic in your analogy.

no, you just have a complete lack of understanding or comprehending anything. college must be a real challenge for you, i'm sorry. to make it clear AGAIN leaving your trash thrown around outside a trashcan is the same as leaving layers of mud in a wash stall.

WELL....since you had to ask. Fucking with someone elses vehicle is completely different than leaving mud at a carwash. If you do see my friends rubicon and decide to fuck with it, you are starting the vehicle war. You do something to someones vehicle, don't go crying when something gets done in retaliation to yours. Still want to use that can opener?

that is most retarded comment in here. i'm sorry that you clearly don't own a business or property, but the basic principles are the same. IF someone is letting you use their stuff, even if you're paying for it, you make sure to treat it with respect and leave it like you found it or better. this is simple shit most of us learned playing with our toys in kindergarten. i guess you were the weird kid in the corner eating glue.

but just to clarify I do think ethics dictate that you clean up after yourself I just don't agree, for the most part, with the arguments being presented as to why.

what? does not compute. you say that you don't think mud should be left around like that, but then you say that the reasons it shouldn't be left are good. i'd be curious to know what a better reason is than taking care of someone's stuff?

let me draw from an example you can relate to. matt and lee use your trailer sometimes in exchange for storage, right?. lets say they brought it back covered in mud, gear oil, etc. all over the deck. one of the hubs is screwed because they didn't bother to grease them. YOU had to clean it up/repair it after each time just so you could use it for your rig or loan it out to someone else the next weekend. how are you going to feel about that? happy? willing to keep letting them use your trailer? (just a disclaimer: this is an example only, the rare occasions i've see it outside their yard it's been take care of).

Again: His business is based on the assumption that people will come there with a dirty vehicle. If people didn't have dirty vehicles he wouldn't make a living. If someone goes through an automatic carwash and mud falls off should they run it again without the vehicle in it?

AGAIN you thick headed mouth breather, the business is based on REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE OWNERS CHOOSING. just because it's a car wash does not dictate that he's required to accept his bays being caked with mud. it's idiots like you that require us to have all these dumb rules, laws, and signs everywhere. pretty soon, these wash owners are going to get tired of it and be like fuck it... it costs me more time to clean up after these people than they spend. all jeeps are banned. or, all 4wd's in general are banned. all because you anda handful of others can't follow a simple request and use a little common courtesy, we all have to suffer from your poor decision making skill and lack of decent values.

Also very mature on your end telling me to grow up and then posting on every for sale thread I have trying to ruin my reputation as a seller. I have had many successful transactions with people made in person. The only way I'll deal with people is in person in fact. Sure does take the risk out of getting scammed. I'm not going to slander you in return but it would be nice to see the slander written about me removed considering I've never done a transaction with you in particular.

slander? really? ahaha, thanks for the laugh. actually, it's you that has proven to everyone here how irresponsible, self motivated, and inconsiderate of other people and their property you are. your words are in this thread, directly. you don't care about anyone else until you're taken care of first. i know I don't want to have transactions with that kind of person. i don't think many other people here do either. from what you've given as your "opinion" tonight, you're the kind of guy that wouldn't hesitate to screw someone over in a deal if it meant an extra buck in your pocket.

And in the end... I have no interest in messing with anyone's stuff unless I'm messed with... in fact I'd probably call the police if I was vandalized before bothering to stoop down to the level some of you are trying to instigate.

oh, okay... so it's cool for you to go dump your 50lbs. of mud all over my concrete at my car wash, i collect it in a bucket, then take it to your house to dump in your yard? turn about is fair play, correct?

I can't help my opinion differs from everyone elses but I'm not going to apologize for having a different stance on this.

your "opinion" is null and void, and there is no other stance to have but "wrong". which you plain and simply are, from a legal standpoint if nothing else. maybe you didn't quite catch that either though.

here's a mind blower, and what the main point is no matter what you think. even if you think you should be able to use the car wash as your own personal landfill. you should STILL make sure you keep things cleaned up because you're not going to change how other people see it. the owner is always going to be annoyed. the soccer moms are going to be annoyed. we need to project a positive image of ourselves, because we need all the help we can get for our causes. no matter how okay you think it is, these people aren't going to and THAT is all that really makes a difference is doing whatever we can to swing them in our favor.

hopefully, one day all of you underage non board contributing retas in here will realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. it's going to be a rude awakening. i'm ashamed to even be remotely related to this generation most of the time. it's not so much that the numbers are growing, it's just the dumb ones are getting dumber and they're so dumb they don't even realize it anymore.

 

[jeepmkcomin]

I'm done arguing in this thread so you can take the E-Prize whatever it happens to be. I've stated my opinion, am sticking with it, and it's no longer worth the effort stating everything as clearly I possibly can.

I hold nothing against any of you. If I come across you outside these forums will be happy to give you a hand if you need one. PM me even if you want to go wheeling sometime or need a hand. Then maybe through some of these actions you won't hate me for a car wash thread.

 

[Jakemd98]

I'm not going to sit here and try and argue thou because online arguments don't work, points DO NOT get conveyed properly, EVER when your trying to argue online, so I'm not going to try and argue either way.

well it's about my bed time, but i will put in my 2 cents... i agree 100% with jrraw23 on this one. I see both sides of the fence, and heck before this thread i didn't ever really give it a thought to clean the bay after washing the jeep. But i do see where y'all are coming from and you do give a very valid point.

AT the same time this is still a business, before opening the car wash the owner needs to/should accept the fact that there will be instances, such as this one, that he or she will have to deal with. And if they choose to deny their services to individuals they have every right to do so. BUT lets not make the business owner the victim here, they are the ones who made the decision to run a business, and no matter what kind of business it is there will always be something like this that they will either have to put up with or take care of. How ever they decide to handle it, it is their right as a business owner to say what happens on their property. In other words is people walk all over them, it is because they are allowing it.

Personally i think it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to put up signs asking people to clean up after themselves, and possibly extending the time/giving a bonus time limit to do so... if it is really that much of a problem for them.

Finally I applaud the efforts everybody is putting forth to try and maintain the reputation of the off-road community. As you all may know there will always be those out there that bought a 4wd and used it to cake up a car wash, or the ones that bought a hotrod, got stupid and ended up hurting someone else, or bought a ricer with a fart can.... no matter what enthusiast community it is there will always be people who do not contribute to the reputation. That's why the only thing you can do is make sure you keep yourself in check and try to (gently) spread the word and push the newb's/reputation hurters in a positive direction. Unlike in this thread's case where you are doing nothing but bashing them, which most always will make the individual just retaliate rather than take what you said and use it.

Like I said, just my 2 cents...

 

[360 Spyder]

Any of you defending these actions of leaving that much mud at a car wash ever look up the text book definition of Vandalism? Hmmm...

 

[kdunc]

well it's about my bed time, but i will put in my 2 cents... i agree 100% with jrraw23 on this one. I see both sides of the fence, and heck before this thread i didn't ever really give it a thought to clean the bay after washing the jeep.

Because you're inconsiderate in general or what?

But i do see where y'all are coming from and you do give a very valid point.

Good to see you're catching on.

AT the same time this is still a business, before opening the car wash the owner needs to/should accept the fact that there will be instances, such as this one, that he or she will have to deal with.

A business owner assumes some risk when they open a business, yes. That has nothing to do with how you behave.

And if they choose to deny their services to individuals they have every right to do so. BUT lets not make the business owner the victim here, they are the ones who made the decision to run a business, and no matter what kind of business it is there will always be something like this that they will either have to put up with or take care of.

Just because it's a fact of reality that a business owner has to put up dumbasses does not excuse anybody for being a dumbass.

How ever they decide to handle it, it is their right as a business owner to say what happens on their property. In other words is people walk all over them, it is because they are allowing it.

How the business owner reacts, or how they choose to handle a situation has nothing to do with whether or not you're acting right. No matter how I react to someone being a shitty human being, they're a shitty human being.

Personally i think it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to put up signs asking people to clean up after themselves, and possibly extending the time/giving a bonus time limit to do so... if it is really that much of a problem for them.

They shouldn't have to put up signs or ask you to not be a dumbass, but how else are you gonna manage it? Why should the business owner give you a discount for being a dipshit?

Finally I applaud the efforts everybody is putting forth to try and maintain the reputation of the off-road community. As you all may know there will always be those out there that bought a 4wd and used it to cake up a car wash, or the ones that bought a hotrod, got stupid and ended up hurting someone else, or bought a ricer with a fart can.... no matter what enthusiast community it is there will always be people who do not contribute to the reputation.

Yes they're called dumbasses.

That's why the only thing you can do is make sure you keep yourself in check and try to (gently) spread the word and push the newb's/reputation hurters in a positive direction. Unlike in this thread's case where you are doing nothing but bashing them, which most always will make the individual just retaliate rather than take what you said and use it.

So basically you're saying that the morons defending this crap (which includes you, by the way) are all too dense to catch on at the beginning of the thread, and so now those of us who have a clue need to go easy on y'all so the moral of the story can sink in slowly? Do you expect the world to accommodate you forever, or do you some day plan on becoming one of those people we call adults, who have to put up with the next generation of dumbasses?

Like I said, just my 2 cents...

You overcharged.

 

[Ron]

Ok, I am going to try and provide a different view for the kids in here (It is kind of interesting that the only leave it defenders are all under age).

So you pull up wash your junk and leave, with a mud pit left behind in the bay. Most car washes do not have a full time attendant. (Hell I personally own one and I visit it once peer week to collect my money and restock as necessary.) So the mud remains, now up pulls soccer mom in her BMW and needs to spray off her car (remember legally she can not do it at home today, she has to do it at a business) but she sees this mess and doesnt want to ruin her shoes and then get mud back inside her car so she pulls off.

YOU JUST COST THE OWNER MONEY. You might have well unscrewed his wash brush and took it with you, it is stealing all the same.

Point two Owner showws up and is pissed off, now he hangs a sign up NO MUDDY VEHICLES. Now we all lose. My sit is muddy I need to spray it off but I cant because you were lazy/irresponsible/selfish/cheap whatever.

Point Three Now we are facing a situation where your local wheeling spot is up for a vote. Perhaps it needs to be shut down. It goes to a vote. Car wash owner is now forever pisssed at you for leaving his business a mess he votes against us. Soccer mom hasn't forgotten the day she ccouldnt spray off her bimmer she votes against us as well. Have you even considered the community as a whol that drove by and saw the diarreah mess you left behind.

Point Four Entrepeneur types (you now the kind of guy that usually owns a car wash) tend to be involved in multiplee business entities and quite often have close ties to at least local politics.Thats a nice enemy to make for our sport as a whole.


Let me give you another example. In college I worked one year at a shop right beside a mall. Often at lunch/dinner (depending on shift etc.) we would go into the mall and eat at one of the food court choices. Well at the other end was an attached firestone type place and their mechanics as well would come in there. For whatever reason that group had pretty poor hygiene or what not and always left grease (we all had black hands, they would have like bearing grease dripping off and shit, aint even seen a sink) on their hands which got on the tables. No there were only 2 or 3 of these pigs and in all honesty they only staind 3 or 4 tables as they generally sat in the same area every day. Mall management took notice and made a rule that no employee of any business in the mall could eat in the food court while on the clock. Guess what? Not only were countless others hurt because they could not eat their lunch there (much like soccer mom above) but the food court lost business also (like the carwash owner) because he had less patrons.

Guys there is a thing called decency. If you do not have enough time,money or energy to clean a wash bay then you do not have enough time, money, or energy to washh your rig. Just like if you do not have enough $ for a tip you do not have enough $ to eat out.

I am really shocked and disgusted that we have people defending this behaviour.

 

[Rich]

The beauty of this is that it's my choice what I want to drive. I want something reliable with the option of a roof. You are older and more established thus you have the money for a daily driver and a tubed out fj. I don't have a salary yet, I make hourly wages and go to college at the same time.

My daily driver is a 1998 with 125+k miles on it, and prior to the latest build, I had less in my "tubed out FJ" than a new Rubican't costs.. But that's beside the point.. I'm not the one bitching about not having any money, YOU are, and meanwhile you have a 20+k car payment.

Ya think the payment on a new vehicle that costs more than you make in a year has anything to do with it?

 

[tusk762]

WELL....since you had to ask. Fucking with someone elses vehicle is completely different than leaving mud at a carwash. If you do see my friends rubicon and decide to fuck with it, you are starting the vehicle war. You do something to someones vehicle, don't go crying when something gets done in retaliation to yours. Still want to use that can opener?

lets just skip the vehicle and go straight to the driver,i have no problem with that,want to meet somewhere,another thing i wont go crying to anybody MAMMA'S BOY,and just for you i broke out the electric can opener

 

[dieselfuelonly]

I guess I'll jump on on this one and give my opinion (probably a bad idea), BUT...

Lets say you let someone rent your garage for a month to work on their vehicle. Again, they are paying YOU to use your space. By the time they finish working on their vehicle, they just get up and leave tools lying everywhere, motor oil all over the ground, greasy rags lying everywhere, etc. Does it make it ok for them to leave a mess because they paid to use your space? No. Are you going to want them to come back? I doubt it.

So the next day, you take your truck to the car wash. You are paying the owners of the carwash to use it. Does that mean that you can leave a muddy mess everywhere? NO! Will this probably make the owner feel one step closer to banning really muddy vehicles from using the carwash? Probably so.

Just do the right thing and clean up your mess.

 

[marvilusone]

I took my Jeep to a car wash after a day playing in the mud one day. The owner was there and as I drove up, he came walking up to me. Before he said a word I told him I was going to clean any mess I left and I would make sure the bay looked better than before I pulled in. He then asked me if I had been there before and I said yes I had. He asked how long ago and I gave him an estimate on a time line. He then thanked me. Why did he thank me? He had been watching the camera tapes and had seen me in there before and saw me clean up the mess I made cleaning my Jeep.
Who wipes your a$$ after you take a crap? Is that someone else job too?
No matter what... if you make the mess... clean it up!! No matter where it is! Would you leave your trash all over the campsite because "it's the park rangers job" to clean up after you?

I had almost the same thing happen last night. I went to the carwash around the corner from the house to wash 3 days of Uwharrie mud off and the owner just happened to be there this time. He said no way and I told him I have no problem cleaning my mess and he responded with $5 in quarters to help me clean the bay afterwards. He asked if I had ever been there before and I told him plenty of times but I've always cleaned up afterwards and he never knew I was there. Out of my pocket I put over $20 in quarters in that wash last night plus his other $5. I had to pull up the grate in the floor to get the stall clean. Here's what it looked like when I rolled up to the wash.

 

[Jakemd98]

Because you're inconsiderate in general or what?

nope, because it was just one of those things that never really crossed my mind. on top of the fact that i hardly ever use car washes.

A business owner assumes some risk when they open a business, yes. That has nothing to do with how you behave.

But it is a reality, and face it there are people who will do this no matter how much you piss and moan on this forum about it... and I'm willing to bet that it's not just immature punks that do it.

Just because it's a fact of reality that a business owner has to put up dumbasses does not excuse anybody for being a dumbass.

agreed....

How the business owner reacts, or how they choose to handle a situation has nothing to do with whether or not you're acting right. No matter how I react to someone being a shitty human being, they're a shitty human being.

BUT this is part of owning a business. And unfortunately there will always be dumb-asses human beings who will ruin things for us. and as much as it sucks, there is really nothing we can do about it.

They shouldn't have to put up signs or ask you to not be a dumbass, but how else are you gonna manage it? Why should the business owner give you a discount for being a dipshit?

If it improves the situation then why should they not? because we have already established that we can't change the people doing it. PLUS a sign would have given me a reminder, and you better bet i would have washed any amount of mud or dirt from that car wash.

So basically you're saying that the morons defending this crap (which includes you, by the way) are all too dense to catch on at the beginning of the thread, and so now those of us who have a clue need to go easy on y'all so the moral of the story can sink in slowly? Do you expect the world to accommodate you forever, or do you some day plan on becoming one of those people we call adults, who have to put up with the next generation of dumbasses?

NO what I'm saying is all the "morons" already made a decision on where they stand with this topic with in the first few posts. the only thing you are doing by flaming them and challenging their E-ego, is making them fight back harder and defend their stance more rather than give in.

You overcharged.

Well it's ok, you gave me plenty of change back

the purpose of my posts is not to defend the ones doing this, it is more a reality check for y'all. what you are dealing with can not be fixed by one thread, because people are hard to change. And i do feel that if it is that big of an issue for the business owner, then he or she needs to take action. It does them no good to complain about it. No matter how much they want the situation to change, it wont unless they do something about it.

The world is a less than ideal place, and no matter where you go or what you do there will always be someone who is out to ruin it for you. SO spend all the time you want with these few people who are standing against you, especially if it makes you feel better. BUT no matter how much time you spend "talking" to them, i can guarantee they will not change their minds.