Recession coming?

Southern_Transplant said:
If so, bad on us. As it stands, Russia made it pretty clear they see Ukraine as a subnation to mother Russia. As it has played out, our support of Ukraine has gained us a pretty clear demonstration of a near peer competitor/adversary's weakest points and alienated them from western Europe. Our continued support should also result in their military forces being depleted to such a point that they will not be able to project power for 20 years. That may not be an outcome you value. But I sure do. Europe was getting way to comfortable with dependency on Russian energy and allowing Russia to retake former satellite nations.
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I'm sure the world's poor will agree that it was totally worth it for the US's elites to keep the Ukraine gravy train going...

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awheelterd said:
There is enough bay space for 10 trucks, 2 bunk rooms, a room that literally just has a huge TV and leather recliners (presumably for hardcore jerkoffs), a ridiculously huge commercial kitchen, and enough office space (including classic huge boardroom table) for a fortune 500 company.
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Awww, it was so nice of y'all to put in quarters for EMS! They'll really appreciate that :lol: A fire station follows the same logic as a shop/garage at your house: no matter how big you think is big enough, it's not. We've already outgrown both stations.

Duane
 
shawn said:
I'm sure the world's poor will agree that it was totally worth it for the US's elites to keep the Ukraine gravy train going...

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I don't have a subscription to the economist (it is a good magazine though). The opening of the article seems to follow similar information that I have read on recognizing the role Ukraine has as a major food exporter. The war has caused significant damage to that enterprise.

So, are you suggesting that the current damage to the Ukrainian food industry is caused by our intervention vs. Russia's deliberate pillaging and destruction of grain silos and facilities?

Are you proposing that the better course of action was for us to facilitate a quick Russian conquest of Ukraine to maintain the flow of food? This would have made Russia a top exporter of energy AND food. I'm sure that would have done wonders for world stability.

And just to poke fun, when did you get your global citizenship and decide that it's our job to take actions to feed the world and solve their problems? Did the UN send you an info packet?
 
Ukraine wanted to open peace negotiations in February, but the WH and No10 put a stop to it, and pushed instead for sanctions.
 
Southern_Transplant said:
I don't have a subscription to the economist (it is a good magazine though). The opening of the article seems to follow similar information that I have read on recognizing the role Ukraine has as a major food exporter. The war has caused significant damage to that enterprise.

So, are you suggesting that the current damage to the Ukrainian food industry is caused by our intervention vs. Russia's deliberate pillaging and destruction of grain silos and facilities?

Are you proposing that the better course of action was for us to facilitate a quick Russian conquest of Ukraine to maintain the flow of food? This would have made Russia a top exporter of energy AND food. I'm sure that would have done wonders for world stability.

And just to poke fun, when did you get your global citizenship and decide that it's our job to take actions to feed the world and solve their problems? Did the UN send you an info packet?
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Not sure if serious. The course of action is the worst of both worlds and is obviously designed to keep the quagmire rolling.

The better course of action is for the Biden and his puppeteers to demand the EU to stop funding Russia's military. The US is sending 40B to Ukraine while Europe is sending 50B to Russia. I didn't get my world citizenship badge, but even I can see the profound idiocy of most of the worlds population, especially it's leaders. We are dumb for electing these idiots and sitting back while they take 1/3 of your money for unwinnable wars.
MAYBE the sheep will wake up when the price of a loaf of bread is $10. Not holding my breath though...as long as Depp and Amber are arguing.
 
benXJ said:
Not sure if serious. The course of action is the worst of both worlds and is obviously designed to keep the quagmire rolling.

The better course of action is for the Biden and his puppeteers to demand the EU to stop funding Russia's military. The US is sending 40B to Ukraine while Europe is sending 50B to Russia. I didn't get my world citizenship badge, but even I can see the profound idiocy of most of the worlds population, especially it's leaders. We are dumb for electing these idiots and sitting back while they take 1/3 of your money for unwinnable wars.
MAYBE the sheep will wake up when the price of a loaf of bread is $10. Not holding my breath though...as long as Depp and Amber are arguing.
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Yep, Europe got in pretty deep with dependency on Russian energy. Their "addiction" really got going when the Chancellor of Germany, Gerhardt Schroeder, pushed for building the Nord Stream pipeline and started pimping for Russian energy exports. After he got done leading German, he started working for... Yep, Gazprom. He's still BFFs with Putin.

That addiction will not go away overnight. You could ban Russian energy exports across Europe. That would send prices through the roof which would result in Russia selling less product for more money. Not exactly the desired result we're shooting for. I know it sucks, and our administration has shot itself in the foot recently on all things energy. But we can't just flip a switch.
 
Southern_Transplant said:
Yep, Europe got in pretty deep with dependency on Russian energy. Their "addiction" really got going when the Chancellor of Germany, Gerhardt Schroeder, pushed for building the Nord Stream pipeline and started pimping for Russian energy exports. After he got done leading German, he started working for... Yep, Gazprom. He's still BFFs with Putin.

That addiction will not go away overnight. You could ban Russian energy exports across Europe. That would send prices through the roof which would result in Russia selling less product for more money. Not exactly the desired result we're shooting for. I know it sucks, and our administration has shot itself in the foot recently on all things energy. But we can't just flip a switch.
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Its all planned, and has been telegraphed for years. The corrupt leaders all around the world have been lucky that the average world citizen is so dumb and voted for and allowed these polices to be enacted.
No one to blame but ourselves.
Its gonna be a wild ride!
 
kaiser715 said:
Friends of ours took that same pic on May 3. (8.25/8.49/8.73/8.90).

We are headed that out way in the fall. We hope. Not gonna be fun.
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I took that picture 10 days later on the 13th. There’s no telling how much it’ll be by fall. It’s cheaper in town but by fall, who knows.
 
I was listening to the radio today and an economist said that it is all but a certainty gasoline will be above $6 by mid summer and diesel could be $10. Runaway ripple effect prices will surely follow on other goods.
 
For those that daily-drive your diesel 3/4 or 1-ton truck like me, is there a tipping point where you would keep the truck but buy something else to daily drive?
I know it’s a numbers game with how long it takes to break even, just wondering if anyone has said at $x.xx, I’m buying a car.
 
He pretty much tells the story here.
This is a great opportunity to push gasoline into unobtanium and usher in even more (for now) expensive alternatives that aren’t coming online fast enough for the administration.

 
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VortecJeep said:
For those that daily-drive your diesel 3/4 or 1-ton truck like me, is there a tipping point where you would keep the truck but buy something else to daily drive?
I know it’s a numbers game with how long it takes to break even, just wondering if anyone has said at $x.xx, I’m buying a car.
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My wifes old Nissan Altima has been put back on the road for my daily running around vehicle and I save my work truck(96 F-250) for stuff I can't get in the car.My dually only get used if Im goin out of town or pulling something big.I don't know at what point its smart money top buy a daily.I'd imagine it varies person to person,but Im glad we held on to the car.
 
VortecJeep said:
For those that daily-drive your diesel 3/4 or 1-ton truck like me, is there a tipping point where you would keep the truck but buy something else to daily drive?
I know it’s a numbers game with how long it takes to break even, just wondering if anyone has said at $x.xx, I’m buying a car.
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I'm looking at motorcycles again. The extremely inflated costs of a "cheap" daily driver just don't balance out for our situation. We're both home every day, so we're only spending about $20 bucks a week on fuel thankfully. The problem is the continued rising diesel prices and the coming extreme price increases on all commodities. I'm trying to plan for that $10.00 loaf of bread. I guess I won't be too fat to walk pretty quick!
 
Keep in mind also part of that calculation of just getting an additional cheap car is the added cost of tags, property tax, and insurance - all of which(except maybe tags) will also be going up.
 
VortecJeep said:
For those that daily-drive your diesel 3/4 or 1-ton truck like me, is there a tipping point where you would keep the truck but buy something else to daily drive?
I know it’s a numbers game with how long it takes to break even, just wondering if anyone has said at $x.xx, I’m buying a car.
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A coworker of mine bought a non-running diesel Jetta for I think $300-500. He fixed it and is getting 47 mpg. I think he has about an 70-80 mile round trip commute 5 days/wk, so it paid for itself very quickly.
 
drkelly said:
A coworker of mine bought a non-running diesel Jetta for I think $300-500. He fixed it and is getting 47 mpg. I think he has about an 70-80 mile round trip commute 5 days/wk, so it paid for itself very quickly.
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It is impossible for it to pay for itself! Diesel costs more than gas! :laughing:
 
jeepinmatt said:
It is impossible for it to pay for itself! Diesel costs more than gas! :laughing:
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What's the demand like right now for WVO conversions?
I'd imagine every restaurant or any business that has leftover oil must be selling it for a good amount.

I know around here, years ago you could pick up used oil from all kinds of places freely. Once the craze picked up the restaurants realized there was money to be made and all the free oil magically vanished.
 
I’ve parked my truck at the farm for the immediate future and got approval to drive the company car back and forth. They didn’t want us driving them for personal use but since the farm is technically in our name now, they’re considering it “home”.

Work wise, we are seeing our typical lower numbers like every summer. People go on vacations, out of town, wash at home etc so car counts tend to drop. I have told customers to watch their membership turnover more closely as luxury items and monthly bills get assessed early as money gets tight. The individual wash counts are tough to gauge economically since our business is very weather dependent.
 
I drive 3-500 miles a day at work and have heard zero about fuel. They tell me to rock on.
 
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