Rubicon express closed!

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Well it says they are closed for reoganization, who knows when they will reopen.

http://www.rubiconexpress.com/

To Our Loyal Customers and Friends,
Rubicon Express is currently closed, pending reorganization.
Customers who have placed orders and have seen a credit card charge can rest assured that their products have been shipped. Customers with orders that have not been processed will be contacted to confirm their order prior to payments being processed or merchandise shipment.
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No there stuff doesn't suck. It's good quality bolt on for the driveway mechanic. I can' tell you how many I have installed. I'd like to research this a little more.
 
Saw it yesterday on facebook. Gonna hit up 4WP and order some front springs to match my rears before I can't get any.
 
chromerunner said:
Best out there quality wise IMO. Shame that there shuttung down..They make damn nice products..
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Agreed, maybe he was thinking about rusty's?

But, also with all of the other offroad companies that have been purchased and "restructured" over the last few years, I would be very surprised if someone didn't pick them up and continue with the product line.
 
Maybe they are in the process of getting bought out.
 
Never used their stuff but I just surf their site and looking at their prices I am not surprised it says they are out business. They might of been a little to proud of their products!

$1800 for a standard 4.5 X-flex lift with shocks! That is crazy are their parts made of Gold! I purchased the exact same lift from RC for $999.00.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
Never used their stuff but I just surf their site and looking at their prices I am not surprised it says they are out business. They might of been a little to proud of their products!
$1800 for a standard 4.5 X-flex lift with shocks! That is crazy are their parts made of Gold! I purchased the exact same lift from RC for $999.00.
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You're really comparing Rough Country to Rubicon Express :shaking: As for MSRP prices on their site... well that's just what they are, MSRP... order from any reputable vendor and save 25% ish...
 
IMO they are what set the standard for companies like Rusty's to try and meet. they have always been on the forfront of inavation and were building long arm kits with high end joints and the predesessor (SP?) to all of the link kits now available. Rubicons products were "driveway" low fab required kits as well. So take into consideration they did all the home work plus provided a no fuss very high performance kit I would expect to pay more. They were also one of the very first to offer staged kits which led to the plethera of now available builder parts.
If they are out it will be for the same reason good quality local venders would go out. Competitors with no shame or personal integrity are willing to slaughter quality and price to get buisness, and the general public price shops rather than entertaining value of craftmanship or quality of the labor and long term support.
On the bright side of thinking maybe they are the ones taking a stand and are possibly revamping for an even better product line!
 
uncc civilengineer said:
You're really comparing Rough Country to Rubicon Express :shaking: As for MSRP prices on their site... well that's just what they are, MSRP... order from any reputable vendor and save 25% ish...
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RC is still in business and Rubicon is out of business so yeah I might have a right to compare them!

Tells me RC builds a quality product people want to buy where as RE may have built a quality product but not enough people wanted to buy it. Probably because most people are smart enough to look at what they are offering for $1800 and see it is identical to what RC is offering $999.00.

Yes I know about MSRP but both those prices are MSRP so no matter how you look at it RE is close to twice as expensive as RC.
 
WARRIORWELDING said:
IMO they are what set the standard for companies like Rusty's to try and meet. they have always been on the forfront of inavation and were building long arm kits with high end joints and the predesessor (SP?) to all of the link kits now available. Rubicons products were "driveway" low fab required kits as well. So take into consideration they did all the home work plus provided a no fuss very high performance kit I would expect to pay more. They were also one of the very first to offer staged kits which led to the plethera of now available builder parts.
If they are out it will be for the same reason good quality local venders would go out. Competitors with no shame or personal integrity are willing to slaughter quality and price to get buisness, and the general public price shops rather than entertaining value of craftmanship or quality of the labor and long term support.
On the bright side of thinking maybe they are the ones taking a stand and are possibly revamping for an even better product line!
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It doesn't matter how innovative they were. Their pricing put them out business. I don’t know how the long term support is going to work out now that they are out of business.

Let me be clear I am not commenting on RE product quality I have never used any of their products. I am basing my comments on their pricing it is pretty crazy when you’re trying to sell a basic 4" short arm lift for twice as much as you competitor. Very few people are going to be convinced your product is worth twice as much as your competitor.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
It doesn't matter how innovative they were. Their pricing put them out business. I don’t know how the long term support is going to work out now that they are out of business.
Let me be clear I am not commenting on RE product quality I have never used any of their products. I am basing my comments on their pricing it is pretty crazy when you’re trying to sell a basic 4" short arm lift for twice as much as you competitor. Very few people are going to be convinced your product is worth twice as much as your competitor.
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You very obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Comparing Rubicon Express and Rough Country is absolutely absurd. Yes, they both build Jeep suspensions.......that is where the comparison should stop.

Rough Country has been getting better in the last couple years but some of their stuff is still absolute garbage. Let's not even mention that their newest suspension "designs" are cheaper attempts to copy innovative companies like Rubicon Express, Clayton's, etc.

The quality of RE components overall is 100 times better than Rough Country's crap. There is no comparison.

It says pending reorganization, not closed for good. I am sure they will be back better than ever once this reorg is done.

That is why Rough Country has such a "following"....they have guys like you that have no clue comparing just based on price......
 
zubz said:
The quality of RE components overall is 100 times better than Rough Country's crap. There is no comparison.
It says pending reorganization, not closed for good. I am sure they will be back better than ever once this reorg is done.
That is why Rough Country has such a "following"....they have guys like you that have no clue comparing just based on price......
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Since you decided to make this personal I will address you directly. I was open and up front with my comment I said i have never used RE products so I wouldn't comment on their quality. However I have used RC several times and have never had an issue with their quality.

How many RC lifts have you had that makes you such an expert on their quality? I'd be willing to bet you are just parroting what you have heard and have no personal experience as to the quality of RC.

Now lets get to the facts, I am not discussing RC $399 cheap budget lift I am comparig RC X-series lift to RE X-flex lift. So lets make that comparison it will be easy for me since I did look at RE's lift before I order the RC lift.

Both lifts come with Johnny Joint X flex joints
Only RC comes with all 8 control arms being adjustable
RE's only has 4 adjustable the other 4 are fixed.
Both lifts come with adjustable front track.
Only RC comes with the front track bar relocation bracket
Only RC includes the drop pitman arm
Both come with extended front brake lines
Only RC comes with rear extended brake line
Both have the same front quick disconnect sway bar links
Both have solid rear swarbar links
Only RC comes with the rear shock relocation brackets.
Both have rear track bar relacation bracket.
RC's MSRP $999.99
RE's MSP $1818.95

So after doing a little research I made the determination that the RC is a much more complete lift kit and the fact that is half the cost only encouraged me to order it. As for the supposed quality difference! I would have to replace the bushings and rebuild the joints at rate of 20-1 before I would make up the cost difference of the RE lift.

So maybe it is you that is clueless! Or maybe you are just loaded and don't care you are pissing your money away.

Sorry for the rant.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
Since you decided to make this personal I will address you directly. I was open and up front with my comment I said i have never used RE products so I wouldn't comment on their quality. However I have used RC several times and have never had an issue with their quality.
How many RC lifts have you had that makes you such an expert on their quality? I'd be willing to bet you are just parroting what you have heard and have no personal experience as to the quality of RC.
Now lets get to the facts, I am not discussing RC $399 cheap budget lift I am comparig RC X-series lift to RE X-flex lift. So lets make that comparison it will be easy for me since I did look at RE's lift before I order the RC lift.
Both lifts come with Johnny Joint X flex joints
Only RC comes with all 8 control arms being adjustable
RE's only has 4 adjustable the other 4 are fixed.
Both lifts come with adjustable front track.
Only RC comes with the front track bar relocation bracket
Only RC includes the drop pitman arm
Both come with extended front brake lines
Only RC comes with rear extended brake line
Both have the same front quick disconnect sway bar links
Both have solid rear swarbar links
Only RC comes with the rear shock relocation brackets.
Both have rear track bar relacation bracket.
RC's MSRP $999.99
RE's MSP $1818.95
So after doing a little research I made the determination that the RC is a much more complete lift kit and the fact that is half the cost only encouraged me to order it. As for the supposed quality difference! I would have to replace the bushings and rebuild the joints at rate of 20-1 before I would make up the cost difference of the RE lift.
So maybe it is you that is clueless! Or maybe you are just loaded and don't care you are pissing your money away.
Sorry for the rant.
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You obviously don't know who your talking to when it comes to product knowledge.
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Rox&Mud said:
You obviously don't know who your talking to when it comes to product knowledge. Might want to find out before you continue this, ask around.
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As I have stated before I am not comparing the product quality of RE I have never used their stuff. My comparison was based solely on what you get in the lift for the cost.

You add up all the components that are not included in the RE lift and you add another 3-400 to cost of the RE lift. Because to do a 4" lift proper you need the items RC includes. My point being is by the time you are done with RE lift you will have over $2000 into a short arm 4" lift.

Short arm lifts are nothing, there are 4 springs, 4 shock and 16 bushings. As said in my post I would have to replace the bushing at a rate of 20-1 maybe even more before I would even get close to the to the $1000 price tag I would have to pay to have the RE lift.

I hope we aren't talking about ride quality of the lift? That is a mute point because ride quality is opinion and they are like butts everyone has one. You could take a jeep let 10 different people drive it and you would get 10 different opinions on how it rides.
 
Well given Andy has probably installed several hundred lifts, of varying manufacturers over the years, I'd take his word for it . You say you're not comparing quality, only basing what you get in terms of parts in the kit for the price. Well that is a fairly flawed way of thinking when comparing the two. I can make you some control arms out of schedule 40 pipe, with some cheap urethane bushings, give you some generic 4" lift springs from India, throw some doestsch tech shocks and some misc. items and make you a heck of deal that would beat RC (RC used to be a joke in the suspension bizz, and they have one heck of crappy past to shake off IMO), but the fact of the matter is quality will always be more expensive. Rubicon Express is re-structuring/re-organizing, you know how many large companies do this, and do this often? It's just a sign of the times, and is often necessary for companies to re-adjust current debt loads, loan terms, payroll issues etc. Rubicon express did have some rubber bushing issues for a bit, but so did alot of the manufacturers, even ballistic. Other than that their kits were sound and well built, and well worth the money. Their springs are still some of the best ones made to this day, in regards to longevity.

With a 4" lift on a TJ, I wouldn't even use a drop-pitman arm, nor the trac-bar relocation bracket anyway. So those items are a moot point to me, and are not a necessity for most lifts of that range.

You can buy whatever you like, at the end of the day it is your money. But I'd still buy an RE lift over RCs' any day.
 
Last post for me on this topic I feel like I'm back in highschool and being told I must wear levi's to be cool and have quality. Even worse I sound like I am an RC salesman.

Here is the spec on the RC control arms

Our New X-Flex arms feature:

•Massive flex joints with 2.5" diameter body and huge 1.25" threads
•Adjustable from stock to 8" of lift
•All joints are fully rebuildable
•Lower control arms are made of 1.75 diameter .312 wall HD tubing
•Upper control arms are made of 1.25 diameter solid round stock.

I don't beleive they will fall out from under my vehicle any time soon. As for the bushings if the do fail for $1000 I'll order some gold plated replacements.
 
RC's stuff has been garbage (this is not hersay or internet reading. this is: we have all been servicing offroad vehicles for many many years and have seen whats good and whats not), as Zubz mentioned in the last couple years it has gotten better.

There long arm kit is very attractive it has all the components you mentioned at a very good price w some good parts.

I believe brandon at rides has one, hes on his 3rd set of bushings and is going to put Jonny joints on the other side b/c hes tired of replacing bushings.

The kit does copy others innovations. No RD = cheaper product.

For those of us in the business seeing something like this is difficult these are friends and families that have dedicated their lives to creating products for the offroad market. The consumer should be aware of this fact, there is no govt bail out, no bonuses, no back up plans. RE makes good product is a fair company and there prices are what they are . Everyone has a choice. Hopefully they'll be back as it would be a loss for the community.
 
^^^^Heard that. It comes down to a foreign copied product versus a domestic product that was developed on the trail. Yeah, RCs stuff is cheaper, but quality and innovation go a long way >> especially for the reputation of the company.
 
walmart sells bikes with 2 wheels, a chain, 2 pedals, and some BS reflectors.
My local bike shop sells similar bikes for 10x the price, and you don't even get reflectors...what's up with that?
 
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