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Rox&Mud said:
You obviously don't know who your talking to when it comes to product knowledge.
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RenegadeT said:
walmart sells bikes with 2 wheels, a chain, 2 pedals, and some BS reflectors.
My local bike shop sells similar bikes for 10x the price, and you don't even get reflectors...what's up with that?
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Good comparison.

I have owned no Rough Country lifts......because they are garbage(although some components are getting better). For the last 10+ years I have been working on 4x4s. I have serviced hundreds of jeeps that have had every type of lift imaginable to man on them. From RC, Pro comp(in every iteration), Rockcrawler(every iteration), Clayton's, Rubicon Express, Zone, 4WDH, Nth Degree, Kevin's Offroad, JKS, and just about every other lift you can imagine

Yep, both lifts include similar parts........

-RC joints are cheap chinese copies of Currie joints. RE are their own preloadable design.
- RC bushings are garbage, RE's are not (minus a bad run of SR bushings they had)
- RC ccontrol arms are mild steel. RE are chromoly
- RE lifts are designed to be exactly what you need for a particular lift - you don't need a DPA or some stupid trackbar bracket.
- RC would use that same control arm for 8" of lift......come on, really?
-RC springs are garbage and have been known for horrible ride, horrible sag, and sub par quality in the past.

You apparently have a Rough Country lift. Since you have no experience with anything RE related, why start this argument. You obviously have no knowledge except for the fact that you can cruise the internet and find specs and compare random prices with absolutely no real world experience to back them up..........

By the way........if I were picking the best lift kit it wouldn't be RE......

I just hate that people with your ignorance decide to put down a seriously innovative aftermarket company with now real world knowledge......except a price comparison......especially for a company who does a great job of making cheaper knock offs because they can't really engineer anything themselves.
 
Each time I find a quote of jds97wrangler to copy and discuss, I find another that is even better. Jeez.

Andy (zubz) and many others here know from first hand experience (whether it be installs, sales or personal use) that there is no comparison at all between RE and RC. The "new" RC appears to be better than the "old" RC. But it still sucks. How do I know? I used to sell and install RC kits. I used to run their crap on my own stuff. Those products have been replaced with components that are acually engineered to withstand at least moderate use (abuse).
Whenever someone calls me up and asks "I just bough a ____ and want a RC lift installed." Next thing I say is to save your money for a quality kit. You will want to replace it when you learn what a real, quality kit can make a rig handle and perform.
In closing, RC and RE do not belong in the same breath. But what do I know. I have only installed hundreds of kits over the years and work on Jeeps everyday...
 
zubz said:
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comparison......especially for a company who does a great job of making cheaper knock offs because they can't really engineer anything themselves.
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Read every one of my posts I never put down RE for their quality or innovativeness. I just question their business plan in this economy?

I used the rough country lift as an example of what put them out business because for the part time 4x4er who isn't dukes of hazarding their vehicle everyday (which is what the majority of people in this hobby are) the RC lift is more than adequate for them. They would rather have the extra $1100 dollars for gears, tires, or whatever else they might need.

Everything you say about RC is "It's been Known in the past". If we all went by your thinking then not a one of us should ever buy a Ford, Chevy or Dodge again becasue we all know if we ask a mechanic that has worked on cars more then 5 years they will tell you those three manufactures were the biggest pieces of crap on the road "in the Past".
 
jds97Wrangler said:
Read every one of my posts I never put down RE for their quality or innovativeness. I just question their business plan in this economy?
I used the rough country lift as an example of what put them out business because for the part time 4x4er who isn't dukes of hazarding their vehicle everyday (which is what the majority of people in this hobby are) the RC lift is more than adequate for them. They would rather have the extra $1100 dollars for gears, tires, or whatever else they might need.
Everything you say about RC is "It's been Known in the past". If we all went by your thinking then not a one of us should ever buy a Ford, Chevy or Dodge again becasue we all know if we ask a mechanic that has worked on cars more then 5 years they will tell you those three manufactures were the biggest pieces of crap on the road "in the Past".
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Way to choose very specific things out of what I said and attempt to twist them to your argument.........

I worked on a Jeep with an RC lift today that was still the same quality I remember from years past.....not much changes.

RE is closed for reorg, not closed for good. Amusing that you can't seem to get past that point.

You are correct about one thing........companies that build cheaper crap copies of other companies products do drive the price of products down. Without the overhead for real design and development, they can offer cheap import copies at a lower price than the innovators......

No need to believe people who have actual knowledge of the products and issues in question.

You obviously have an opinion not based on complete actual fact. That's cool, and the point of this discussion, as long as the members of this board realize that fact, and don't listen to it like it is the truth.


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"RE is closed for reorg, not closed for good. Amusing that you can't seem to get past that point."

I'll leave at this and then I'll bow to your superiority! Why would anyone want to trust a company that has closed for reorg and quit supporting their product? It makes one wonder how long they are going to be around to support their warranties

By the way you are just one person who hasn't even run the lift in question. Read the following thread with hundreds of people who have installed and actually run the lift I have been referring to. Not One complaint in 21 pages. I get so sick of the superiority complexes when it comes to discussing parts! It wasn't like I was even saying RC is better then RE my only point is for certain people’s applications the RC lift is a great lift. The Best part RC is still open today supporting their parts!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/give-rough-country-chance-new-4-x-flex-system-682034/index7.html
 
definitely not a superiority complex........but you are completely entitled to your opinion.

There are lots of people who are perfectly happy with lower quality parts (in all industries) . Lots of people are very happy with RC lifts......some also don't know any better. For their price point they are fine. Just not on the same level with higher end, better quality companies.

You definitely were comparing them and saying that RC was superior.........not the case when you take out price and put in quality. Otherwise why would you say they priced themselves out of business.......

It is not worth going round and round with you anymore. I am glad you enjoy your RC lift. Have fun with it.

As for RE.....they are still listing an email for support of their products. Lots of companies reorg.........doesn't mean they are going anywhere.......yet.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
I'll leave at this and then I'll bow to your superiority! Why would anyone want to trust a company that has closed for reorg and quit supporting their product? It makes one wonder how long they are going to be around to support their warranties
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RE *IS* still supporting their products.

http://www.rubiconusa.com/

Customers who have technical or warranty issues may email: support@rubiconexpress.com
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I've been running RC's extended brake lines. Cheap price! Front and rear for $100. They've held up well. Except for that one time when my passenger front ball joints came out and the whole tire and knuckle came off the axle. The brake line sure didn't hold up to that.. Heheh
 
If they did some day go out of business I would rather have RE stuff under my vehicle with no longer any support than inferior parts that need support & replacement parts.

There are lots of aftermarket businesses that have gone out & their parts still bring a premium due to high quality. I can name a bunch in the turbo regal world that no longer exist.
 
this is what Scott of RE told someone who spoke to him yesterday

"they have no plans to permanently shut down. They are simply restructuring some things that will (hopefully) allow them to suit the needs of the off-road community better than ever."
 
My new bicycle didn't even come with pedals. It had an MSRP of 5500. I got ripped off!!!

While RC has indeed come long way, there still is a huge gap between their product and high end stuff out there. It all comes down to you get what you pay for. If you are happy with your 1k lift, great. Just because you did not want to shell out 2 or 3x that for another kit does not mean that the other kits are overpriced or somehow inferior, quite the contrary.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
Let me be clear I am not commenting on RE product quality I have never used any of their products. I am basing my comments on their pricing
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this fairly well sums up the ingnorace in your logic, no I didn't just call you ignorant so don't go "intronet" on me.

its your logic that I fail to understand

the logic that price suggest quality level at any high or low standard is obsurd.

you happen to be happy with what your willing to pay for. Rough Country makes you a happy customer and Rubi standards, price point and quality cannot be justified in your eyes because you have no real world experience with them.

Hey Yager i've seen stupider arguments, like vehicle superiority!
 
Gmachine said:
If they did some day go out of business I would rather have RE stuff under my vehicle with no longer any support than inferior parts that need support & replacement parts.
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Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!


RC has gotten better but has A LONG WAY TO GO to come up to what we can expect from RE day in, day out, on and off road. You have argued with almost everyone who has posted that RE is to expensive. This, for some is true, for others RE produces quality, reliable products that will perform as expected with out even thinking about it and that is worth the money.

Do you even know what Corporate Restructuring is? Here ya go:

Restructuring is the corporate management term for the act of reorganizing the legal, ownership, operational, or other structures of a company for the purpose of making it more profitable, or better organized for its present needs. Alternate reasons for restructuring include a change of ownership or ownership structure, demerger, or a response to a crisis or major change in the business such as bankruptcy, repositioning, or buyout. Restructuring may also be described as corporate restructuring, debt restructuring and financial restructuring.


Kmart restructured, went through bankruptcy, a few years ago and was able to dump a lot of dead weight off the books and came out with millions to reinvest. They bought Sears almost immediately after emerging from restructuring and I can only hope RE will do something similar to continue to advance our sport.
 
you would think if jds97wrangler had been on this site since 2008 he would have learned a thing or two, especially not to argue with Andy. some people are special though, i'll give him that much.
 
highrollintj said:
you would think if jds97wrangler had been on this site since 2008 he would have learned a thing or two, especially not to argue with Andy. some people are special though, i'll give him that much.
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I'll argue with anyone who thinks they know it all.

As I have said from the beginning I am not trashing RE quality however for the average 4x4er like me who gets in this for the fun of it RC is an excellent option.

Any part timer who decides to do a lift and does the research is going to find that hey RE had a problems with bushings. What makes that a problem for RE is then you search RC and yes they have problems also but then you find a thread where hundreds have installed the lift in question and run it for years with no complaints.

So then as a consumer you say to yourself why is this lift 1800 and this lift 999.00 well for 800 dollars I think I'll chance the RC lift.

Therein lies the problem for RE for every 1 of the Zubz's on the net who hate RC there are 100 who have actual installed and run the new designed RC lift and love it and have no complaints.

To be honest I won't buy an RE as long as it is twice as expensive as a lift with excellent quality. I can guarantee you there are more consumers like me out there who say RE is overpriced for what they are selling then not. And please to talk to about American made and all that because there are way too many Toyota owners on this forum for that.
 
You think andy thinks he knows it all. We know andy knows it all.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
I'll argue with anyone who thinks they know it all.
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I think that is why you keep arguing........you apparently know it all, with little to no actual real world experience.

Unfortunately there is no way to actually use the "who is happiest" comparison you are playing with. If I really wanted to go through my records from the past years of business, I can probably come up with 40+ RC lifts that were removed within 1-1.5 year of install to replace them with a better quality lift. That is only in the Charlotte area because Galloway's pushed those lifts on TJ customers for years.

You definitely have more real world knowledge because you can use the search button...........

Its cool. That is what keeps the world going round. :driver:

How many RC lifts are actually dealer installed MOPAR Accessories, JEEP warrantied products????.......Hmmmmmm
 
RHSCTJ said:
You think andy thinks he knows it all. We know andy knows it all.
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Not the truth at all........I just have way more experience/knowledge than this joker thinks.......

I learn new stuff everyday. Never have thought I know it all.

That is why I love working on 4x4s for a living.
 
This thread delivers.:lol:

RE's rubber bushings do bring all kinds of suck, but I've never seen any issues with any of their other products. The heim on my front track bar (RE) has lasted for 7 years with little (no) maintenence. That's way more life than I expected out of it. As for RC, well, no real input other than they're inexpensive.

When it all boils down to it, if you can weld, it's cheaper to just build your own arms and parts using quality joints IMO.
 
zubz said:
Then there are those special kids who try to hide a half breed yota under a TJ tub........:flipoff2:
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This whole time I was thinking RC had something to do with AA batteries... :fuck-you:

Get off the interweb and go finish that Red Jeep up !!!
 
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