Rubicon express closed!

I am now dumber from reading all of this.

I have this to add, I've been in business for the last 4 years building nothing but 4wd vehicles. I'll sell a RE lift for anyone that wants to have a reliable lift for a DD and WW. RC goes on a customers Jeep that has a very tight budget and just wants to look better driving around town but not to go offroad. I too have taken off many RC to put on RE for the exact reason Andy mentioned. Andy also has WAY more experience on this particular area then I do. If I was going to listen to anyone on this forum about the difference between RC and RE it would be him.
 
GSRswapandslow said:
hmm...thinking i shouldn't have cheaped out and gotten an RC lift at this point...

maybe i'll just do an 8.8 and get a better lift
Click to expand...

Just wheel it till it breaks. No sense in replacing the lift since you've already purchased and installed it. When it breaks, replace it with better quality parts. Then, on your next rig, build it right with what you've learned from this one.

^^^ It's a learning experience. It's been an expensive one for me.
 
yager said:
....Get off the interweb and go finish that Red Jeep up !!!
Click to expand...


The man speaks the truth!

Hey Mike swing by and grab some pictures for me, as I KNOW Chase isn't going to do it. He'll take pictures of a Clayton Short-arm lift install on a JK, but noooo pictures for HANO :lol:
 
jds97Wrangler said:
RC is still in business and Rubicon is out of business so yeah I might have a right to compare them!
Tells me RC builds a quality product people want to buy where as RE may have built a quality product but not enough people wanted to buy it. Probably because most people are smart enough to look at what they are offering for $1800 and see it is identical to what RC is offering $999.00.
Yes I know about MSRP but both those prices are MSRP so no matter how you look at it RE is close to twice as expensive as RC.
Click to expand...

Just a few points.
Sure RE list is double RC list., but in my experience the multiplier is not the same for both. They are closer in price than that. NOT EQUAL, and not nearly comparable, but closed than double. So to continue to throw around $900 is disingenuous at best.

Second, just because Home Depot is in business the local lumber store is out, doesn't mean the flunky at HD is a better carpenter or carried better products.

Third it is my understanding that RE is moving manufacturing and not sure how quickly they are going to be up and running at the new location...thats the reason for the "shut down" along with some financial gymnastics many businesses go through.

I guess they could have continued to take orders and be backogged 26 weeks with their customers money like some companies do...

Seriously you should at least learn who you are talking to before insulting them. Andy is one of the good guys in our hobby and would help anyone....he also happens to have more experience than 99% of those on this board, including yourself (and for that matter me as well).
 
zubz said:
:lol:
- RE lifts are designed to be exactly what you need for a particular lift - you don't need a DPA or some stupid trackbar bracket.
Click to expand...

I really should let this thread die but then again where would the fun in that be! I decided to check out the RE 4.5 flex lift, I started by reading the installation instruction to see if maybe there was some mystical magic in there. I just about bust a gut laughing when I saw picture 2 in the instructions. To my surprise RE uses those “Stupid Track Bar Brackets “.

Now don’t get me wrong I am sure Zubz will inform us RE’s bracket is a Highly engineered sophisticated piece of powder coated titanium unlike RC's spray painted piece of plastic garbage. But still I feel if you going to spout off about something you might want to make sure your right!

ai357.photobucket.com_albums_oo11_jdurant75_REBracket.jpg


zubz said:
:lol:
-RC joints are cheap chinese copies of Currie joints. RE are their own preloadable design.
Click to expand...

One other thing I went all through RE’s website I could not find anywhere, where it says their lifts are 100% made in the USA. I am sure that is just an over sight from their advertising department I mean after all nobody really thinks that would be important to advertise. But no worries I am sure if any of their parts do come China they are the “expensive Chinese” stuff.
 
It might be the big rip of absinthe I just took, but jds97Wrangler I have no idea what you are talking about..... and you probably don't either.
 
That is not the trackbar bracket I was speaking of smart guy. Rough Country includes a stupid little bracket that bolts into the LOWER trackbar mount to move the mounting hole location on their 4" lift......not remotely similar to the UPPER trackbar mount that is used in conjunction with a replacement chromoly trackbar to change the front end suspension geometry correctly........since you needed to bring that up.

Besides the fact that that bracket doesn't even come with the 4" short arm kit you were originally using as your comparison. That is from the 4.5"-5.5" long arm kit and it is used in conjunction with the DPA to adjust the trackbar/steering geometry for that particular lift.

Just so we are clear.......

By the way, they may not be 100% made in the usa (I am sure some component may come from outside, but I have been to their main mfg facility here in CA and most everything is made here).....however, I do know for a fact that they were the innovator (actually I know the guy who designed the adjustable cartridge "johnny joint" style joint as a redesign/improvement to Currie's) on that particular joint that Rough Country decided to copy.
 
LOL at the trackbar comment... he dug around all day, read instruction and throught he had it... only to realize it's back to the drawing board... time to troll jeep forum for more comparisons...

There really is no reason to argue with JDS97Wrangler... he obviously knows everything based on his "jeepforum" references... everyone knows jeepforum is top notch...

As for comparisions... if you ever get the chance to hold components from both companies in your hands (at the same time)... you'll realize what everyone is talking about... Maybe you should just do that before continuing this thread..
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You can easily see the radius arms in the pic he posted.

Btw JDS97Wrangler, radius arms don't come in a short arm kit. Now you have learned something else useful today.

:alien:
 
Not trying to jump on the band wagon but.....the only experience I had with an RC lift was to help a 16 year old guy put one on his TJ. One of the faulty components could have ended in a serious accident if not detected during installation.

We got to the end of the lift install and discovered that the female threads on one of the rear LCA's were stripped out ( or not machined out correctly) and barely engaging the male threads on the other half. When the kid contacted RC they did not seem terribly concerned nor did they expedite another part, even though he told them his DD was stranded in my driveway.
:shaking:

I ran a RE lift for 4 years and was very happy. Yes I had some bushings/LCA bushing housings go bad but I wheeled the crap out of my Jeep and RE replaced them when I contacted my vendor.

You get what you pay for!
 
I am going to clear the air here, I'll be the first to admit I took it personal when Zubz stated that RC lifts are garbage and basically insinuated any one who runs them are ignorant. I also think maybe I offended him because it turns out he is friends with the owners of RE and I did make a knock about RE and their pricing.

Lift value is really in the mind of the purchaser and in the minds of a lot people who have purchased the new designed RC lift we got an excellent deal. Could we have spent more money and got a lift that some parts may or may not hold up better sure. But we made the decision that was right for us and I guess if some think we are ignorant then so be it.

I will end this with an apology to Andy, maybe one day we can meet have beer and debate my ignorance in person.
 
I didnt even bother to read all this bs on here beacuse it wouldnt change how i feel anyways. You can bash RC all u want but when the other lift kit manfactures are shut down ill still be selling RC just like i do everyday.. Ill put my RC long arm xj lift up against any other lift on the market. Dont believe me come to the Gulches next weekend. The only thing that i have against RC is the bushings wear quickly. I talked to RC about that any they have started using clevite bushings beacuse they actually listen to there customer base. I mean how many ways can you really make a 4" short arm tj kit. 4 springs 4 shocks 4 lower arms transfer case drop track bar brackets and sway bar extensions. To add to that RC has a lifetime warranty on all parts except bushings ( however they have sent me 2 sets for free). I think its worth the time to take a look at there website they have many new things that would impress you. I just installed a 5" on my tow rig this week with the 2.2 series shocks. Seriously some of the best shocks ive ever used. Anyways just keep bashing it and ill keep selling it.
 
Rox&Mud said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You can easily see the radius arms in the pic he posted.
Btw JDS97Wrangler, radius arms don't come in a short arm kit. Now you have learned something else useful today.
:alien:
Click to expand...

I do have to say that picture came from RE 4.5" short arm kit instructions see link below. But it really doesn't matter if RE comes back and people want to buy from them again great from what I have heard they make an excellent lift. I won't buy RE because I am extremly happy with RC quality and price. It is really all a matter of opinion and we all know what opinions are like.

Its just sad how many on here think their opinion is the only one that matters and any one who doesn't agree is just ignorant!

http://www.rubiconexpress.com/SuspensionSystems/Product.aspx?part=RE7000
 
Believing someone is ignorant on a particular subject has absolutely nothing to do with their opinion not agreeing with yours. It has everything to do with people making unfounded and sometimes factually wrong statements about a topic and passing it off as truth.....not your opinion.

I am not a fan of RC products. However, if I were a consumer on a particular budget then I would look at them, knowing that the quality is not the same but it fit within my budget and I was willing to deal with the potential issues
.
My problem with your statements had nothing to do with RC and their market share. You could have said the same thing about Zone, 4WDH, or one of the other lift companies in their segment. It had everything to do with you spouting off about RE like you had a clue about the business or their product line.

Glad you like the RC lift you have. If you want to look at real strength, customer service, quality, etc.........let's talk about Clayton's....
 
Zubz

I am little confused as to what facts I misreprisented. I never once said anything negative about RE products. I did however say it is hard to sell a lift with a MSRP close to Double your competitors. That is the only negative thing I said about RE there is nothing factually incorrect about that. If RE inflates their MSRP so they can give big discounts to make people people feel warm and fuzzy that is great but for the average consumer shopping for a lift they are going to go to RE site and see $1819 for a 4" short arm X-flex lift with premium shocks then they are going to go to RC and see 4" short arm X-flex lift w/ premium shocks for 1099. I see nothing factually incorrect there. Does RE say any where we inflate our MSRP call us we'll give you a good deal? And whose to say RC doesn't inflate their MSRP and you can get even lower price?

As for quality of a product and customer service both these are opinion. When you speak of quality every persons defintition is going to different. I can't argue with the quality of RE becaue have have no experience so you maybe right they probably do have an excellent quality lift but that is just your opinion it does not make you right or wrong. Just like in my opinion the X-flex lift RC makes is an excellent lift it does not make me any more right or wrong then you.
 
jds97Wrangler said:
I do have to say that picture came from RE 4.5" short arm kit instructions see link below. But it really doesn't matter if RE comes back and people want to buy from them again great from what I have heard they make an excellent lift. I won't buy RE because I am extremly happy with RC quality and price. It is really all a matter of opinion and we all know what opinions are like.
Its just sad how many on here think their opinion is the only one that matters and any one who doesn't agree is just ignorant!
http://www.rubiconexpress.com/SuspensionSystems/Product.aspx?part=RE7000
Click to expand...
Yes, you are indeed right, "photo 2" is in the instructions for the RE7000 lift as follows:

20. Install sway bar quick disconnects per instructions supplied with
disconnects (see Photo 2 for typical installation).

I should not have critiqued you for posting a pic not related to any of the pertinent topics discussed above.
 
well... um..; been a lurker for some time... first official post.

I hope I can help kill this thread: no person or company needs to get bashed.


*As far as price goes on RE on the website, yes "jds97Wrangler" you are correct on the exspense; it is because RE list the MSRP price and only would sell retail at full MSRP while allowing jobbers to sell at a price levels lower giving incentive to retail customers to buy from them at thier installation facilities thus supporting the companies that support RE vs selling directly against them.

Many suspension companies have improved over the last 10 years and I am happy to see the quality improving accross the board.
Thanks for all the support for RE on this site and I must say... quite a thread on this topic!

As far as RE goes, still waiting to find out what and when things will be back up and running but I can tell you that it stinks to sit around and wait!
Hope to see ya'll out on the trail soon... (drive what ya got: toyota, ford, chevy, jeep, etc... if it can get you out there and back) I say bring it!
 
I think RE will be Back.

My old Shop used to be Right accrossed the Street from them.

I have had no issues with any of the Stuff I have bought from them.

They are in Calfornia. And the Cost of living is crazy. the Rent where they were is Stupid Crazy $$. I imagine they will move to a Cheaper place and after there RE-org they will be back.
 
Back
Top