Slicing a building off at an angle to conform to setbacks / crazy or not?

What is the end goal of this livable area?
Your primary residence or a rental income property?
 
Blaze said:
So is the intent to make this a apartment to rent out? Since you are adding a septic anyway, you could always upside the system for the bar and connect the garage one to it.
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To live in for now until I build on my property. Then rent. My mother-in-law is coming with us. Would be nice for her to have the house and not "we" have the house.

The issue is "no 3 septics on 1 property". The only way we see to cut property without major house moving is between the bar and garage along with the "building slice". That puts them on separate properties.

Also, according to some of my many MANY questions I've asked is that you can't "upsize" a septic very easily without a lot of money involved. The only way is to add another tank in sequence and another field in sequence. This goes for everything "septic" or "sewer". You find a lot of repeating stuff in their designs. I designed and built a chlorinator / holding tank / de-clorinator for a septic before. Everything I had to do was several of them in a row.
 
But couldn't you do a whole separate system and abandon the one that is there after connecting? I mean, there HAS to be a way of doing it, or else no one would ever be able to add on to their house EVER. I feel like there has got to be a better and easier solution than chopping off a piece of the building like a block of cheese.
 
Actually as much family that we have here in NC... It would be rented like a hotel. :lol: They'd have to make reservations. LOL

Ron I'm sure you could relate everything summed up this way. The end result basically is $$$. Correct me if I'm wrong but I really think the possibility of a future livable 3 bedroom 2 bath apartment is much more profitable than the labor and materials to slice off a block of cheese. :lol: Plus the wasted area of nothing but storage right now. I've finally came to the conclusion that a man has too much shit if he fills a 1200 sf shop, a huge shed and then 1200 sf of additional floor space.

Plus there's plenty of area to add onto the bar/restaurant behind it to make up for any losses.

Just trying to make the best of the situation for the future... And do ALLLLL of my homework. That's all.
 
There currently is no permits involved in this zoning for add-ons except for a final kick around and building setback check. I got this info directly from the inspector.

I can also use rough cut lumber and I currently have over 8,000 bf standing around my shop. I got a quote of 40 cent per bf with $100 initial mill setup fee. Plus $30 for blades damaged but I promise no nails. Plus the hauling cost which is minimal right now at around $2/gallon for diesel going approximately 240 miles one way.

It just all seems to add up... Plus to sell the shop, you'd freak out if you saw the monsters towering overhead. 25-30 pines at 28-34 inches (I've been keeping tract of the 36" threshold) They got to go one way or other...
 
Blaze said:
But couldn't you do a whole separate system and abandon the one that is there after connecting? I mean, there HAS to be a way of doing it, or else no one would ever be able to add on to their house EVER. I feel like there has got to be a better and easier solution than chopping off a piece of the building like a block of cheese.
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You can add on all day. You just can't... have... 3... septics / 3 livable units on one piece of property. The land has to subdivide to accomplish this one way or other and this is the only way we can come up with without a tremendous amount of work. The garage/apartment can be considered either front to back or side to side with the addition of another door. But the house and apartment interfere with each other no matter which way you turn the garage. And dividing off the restaurant makes a lot more sense anyways when I'm done with it. The same problem the owner has now is he's selling 3 units but only one bar / restaurant, one 2 bedroom house and a huge storage. It's a package deal and no way around it. And I don't want to be in the same situation 20 years from now so this is ALL key.

The killer is how setback lines don't radius. They intersect in a straight projected line. So if I sliced the cheese block straight, the straight line projected back 50' to intersect with the 50' rear setback and then the 12' setback of the garage, it pushes the line too far towards the garage and into the restaurant to even think about it. Over half of it and no room to add on. But the angle is the key here...;)

I just know with all the carpentry I've done in the past, there is always a way to "fix" it no matter how you slice the cheese. Sometimes it takes a few great minds together but anything can happen. It may be a tad more jagged for proper rafter bracing? Then again it may not? I have absolutely nothing to go on here but a whim and a heck of an idea of a good starting point.

Plus the bonus of a good sense of humor no matter how you slice the cheese from a bunch of left minded fabricators.:beer:

I personally have never seen or heard of this. I may be the first to ever attempt it? But the surveyor agrees he can do his part and get everything approved and then it's up to me to decide if it can be done on my part.

Regardless, I have 4 months to smoke on it...
 
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What about a text amendment? Probably a slim chance of passing, but I would imagine that the upfront cost isn't terribly high.
 
it's certainly been done before...

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lol

I wasn't trying to be a smart ass (shocking I know) with the above question, its just that the end game totally changes the advice I'd give.I think Blaze and I are going down the same thought train, and I'm having trouble following you completely.
Let me try to explain back to you what I understand and tell me where I am screwed up.

Currently this all lies on 1 parcel.
1- There is an existing house that is fine as is with no plans of changing it.
2- There is a restaurant that is main purpose for buying the property
3- Attached to said restaurant there is a storage building/garage that has a living area above it.

You wan to make 2 parcels consisting of
1- Separate House & Restaurant
2 - Current storage area/garage with LQ above

Am I right so far before I post a detailed idea or am I lost. BTW cant get pdfs to open on my mobile, they may answer all questions
 
You were almost dead on Ron except was thinking the split between garage and restaurant. So restaurant on it's own. BUTTTT

This idea is dead for the most part for all my purposes. After drawing this out with setbacks and re-reading zoning requirements, there's a killer. Minimum lot width sneaked into the picture. Sure I can still do this but by the time the building setbacks taper, the minimum lot width eliminates the area behind the restaurant to add on. I can post pdf's but no need. It's dead so back to the drawing board... This may be a "is what it is" situation unless I go back to something like you and Blaze ares thinking.:stupid:

So now I'm grasping for air. Here's another route that came to mind...

The only thing I figured out was moving the garage/apartment. It's all pre-fab on top with the garage being all cinderblock. This just got more complicated than slicing a block of cheese building.

More pondering to come here...
 
Keep in mind the surveyor said his septic shots were closer in. So there's leeway around the septic fields.

Here's initial.
 

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Then turn the garage around and add a door on side for front entrance.
 

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Then add min. lot width of 150' for the restaurant (100' for residential) and it dies... Unless I wanted to do this before selling the restaurant one day. But all purposes was to finish the apartment to live in while memaw lived in the house. Then add onto the restaurant. And rent out whatever later on when we build on the land.

Memaw needs someone to watch her 24/7 right now so we may all be living in the house if I can still come to an agreement with the owner on price. But unless another idea like abandoning and replatting septics or something???

House has a back 8' that is nothing but sun room. Wife wanted it for her plants to replace the sunroom I just built her. And it's the access to the basement underneath. But the septic is too close to even have leeway.
 

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Around here a new septic install is ~$3k.
I think everything you are thinking about will cost you more than $3k so moving anything for just septic clearance is a non-starter.

What is the current zoning and how many parcels are adjacent. I.E. could it be rezoned to...mixed use?
Now that I can see this pdf could you relocate the bar septic closer to the T in your naming indicator and have a clean cut?

Push comes to shove could you move the damn house?

Thats probably a $5-10k adventure, thoug
 
Hmmm...

You know the only thing affecting between house and apartment is like 2.7' of corner and just the septic field. Is that what you are thinking? Even sounds easier than the cheese cut.

Zoned A-1. The entire town is zoned A-1 besides the corridor along the highway. It's this purpose for the population is around 1,100. You can see the interstate. TDOT told me I can buy one of the "Food" slots on a sign on the Interstate and bring in customers. The whole idea was to have my cake and eat it too... Just trying to figure out the best way to even blow the candles out as well.
 
Thanks guys!!!! I do believe here's the route to pursue. 2.7' off of back of house just in corner (maybe convert to small deck?). Decks can extend 10' out. And then ask my septic dude how to move / tweak a septic field...

Cake, candles and all. Plus I can add onto the restaurant alllll dayyyy long...

Minimum acreage for residential is just half an acre. This also leaves all the land the soils scientist would need for the apartment.

Outbuilding setbacks of 12' added for kicks...
 

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If you are a convincing communicator or friendly with Mr. Ben I'd bet you could get it re-drawn without cutting 2.7' off anything.
 
Ron said:
If you are a convincing communicator or friendly with Mr. Ben I'd bet you could get it re-drawn without cutting 2.7' off anything.
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Email has been sent to Chris Pape with WC Zoning in the nicest manner possible with a simplified pdf sketch. I scooted the septic over for an initial message and just asked about the house. I like your idea of "septic fields being relocate-able" and feel certain I can have that feat professionally accomplished and relocated for the survey.

And oh, the house was just 1.5'. Got too much going on...

It's funny you find out real quick where you stand when you first communicate with someone. I just hate the common County Inspector / Rulebook writer think they are above all gods and you must bow before entering... :shaking:

Per my first email discussion, he's fully aware of the property. Hell, anyone from Kingsport, Greeneville or Johnson City knows this place being why I have kept it so secret. I'm locked in now until me and current owner can't agree and decide to part ways.
 
The surveyor done told me off the bat that he can't cut off 1.5'. I'd say he's figuring out that his license is more valuable than my shit. But he did say the septic shots had le-way so it may require a personal visit if all else fails???
 
Now thinking this out, I probably just shot myself in the foot. Maybe emailing the Zoning Department with a sketch wasn't the best approach. Don't you wish there was an "email kill" switch sometimes.:shaking:

I should have just went to the Surveyor and let HIM talk to the Zoning Department "if needed"...;)

Who's Ben?
 
Email is traceable
Anything you want documented you email anything you don't ...don't.

Lot's of folks will let you get away with lots of stuff if they arent concerned it ill harm, them.
 
Looks like we were posting at the same time about emails.

Ben is a famous dude. You know him. Everyone knows him. He has made kings and dethroned queens and vice versa. He is the root of all evil and the key to solving all earthly problems. He is far from my heart but stays close to my ass for some reason, though neither of us are gay.
 
So what is the reason that these property lines need to be at right angles like they are? What's preventing you from coming off at some angle between the existing garage and the home?

You're not going to get much out of the zoning department with that sketch. There's not even a scale to show what the distances are from building to property lines. I think you might be getting some misinformation on up-sizing a septic system. Most residential systems aren't too difficult to up-size, you just need good soil. Commercial systems are a different matter, especially when restaurants are involved.
 
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