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marty79 said:
I just take extra precautions as I go and prayer for the rest, it works!!
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Jody Treadway said:
Prayer is for AFTER your cage folds in on itself after refusing advice from experienced builders.
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That reminds me of the old joke about the man in the flood. Evacuation teams came around saying everyone must evacuate, the old man said “God will protect me” and stayed. The water came and he got on his roof. Soon a guy in a boat came and said “come with me sir, I’ll get you to safety” but the old man just said “God will save me”.
Standing on the peak with little time left a helicopter came, but again the guy just said “God will save me” and didn’t get on.

Shortly after he drowned he stood before God, shocked and said “God I thought you would save me, I prayed to you and was faithful”
God replied “Well idiot I sent people to tell you to get out, then I sent a boat. You were so stubborn I even sent a helicopter, what more did you want?”
 
marty79 said:
Ok well I'm pretty quick so got that covered lol
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o_O I'm even "use to" these threads, and that still got me

John, for the sake of your wife/daughter/passengers, PLEASE listen to what's being said here. You can't control every situation. Listen to how many have said "shit happens"

Think if you'd hit a huge hole in that water, and you went under in seconds. YES..you're fast, and smart, and all that...what if your wife or daughters harness jammed, and then they finally got loose, but the water was murky and they couldn't tell which way was up and it was difficult to get out...if not for YOU...think of your girls.

wow..I mean WOW
 
No one is telling you to bend tube and make it pass tech at KOH. They're simply telling you to add some triangles in critical places and to consider ease of access if the need were to arise to extract someone unconscious.
 
77GreenMachine said:
add some triangles in critical places and to con
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I already said it's in the making, I mean seriously I know how to build a cage it's not hard or rocket science. Y'all need to chill and go out and live a little off the web.
And FYI for like the thousand times my wife and daughter don't ride unless it's small little stuff through the woods..I kick everyone out when doing anything kinda crazy unless it's one of my friends who knows how to wheel and ride
 
77GreenMachine said:
That reminds me of the old joke about the man in the flood. Evacuation teams came around saying everyone must evacuate, the old man said “God will protect me” and stayed. The water came and he got on his roof. Soon a guy in a boat came and said “come with me sir, I’ll get you to safety” but the old man just said “God will save me”.
Standing on the peak with little time left a helicopter came, but again the guy just said “God will save me” and didn’t get on.

Shortly after he drowned he stood before God, shocked and said “God I thought you would save me, I prayed to you and was faithful”
God replied “Well idiot I sent people to tell you to get out, then I sent a boat. You were so stubborn I even sent a helicopter, what more did you want?”
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Lol one of my favorites.
 
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This is what I would assume most people are thinking. Your cage currently doesn't have a lot to protect against racking side to side.

The behind the seat centered spreaders aren't supporting any other tubes (not adding strength). The horizontal middle tube is tied to unsupported door bar tubes not connected to the roof (not adding strength). These are the dead nodes everyone was referencing.

I 100% think people are trying to offer advice to keep you and your family safe. Kudos for getting out there and wheeling, it's more than a lot of us do on a regular basis, but I would take some of the advice to heart and at least think about it.

You did mention prayer and faith - Proverbs 11:14 says - Where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in the multitude of counselors there is safety. We're your counselors dude, trying to help with the safety.
 
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83oldyoda4x4 said:
When literally everyone on a off road forum is concerned about your cage design... and still refuses any suggestions
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Cause yeah I obviously didn't focus on this rig for best looks award..built the cage for starters, ran out of tubing but haven't done anything hard till now so it'll get finished properly.
 
getstucksome said:
The behind the seat centered spreaders aren't supporting any other tubes (not adding strength). The horizontal middle tube is tied to unsupported door bar tubes not connected to the roof (not adding strength). These are the dead nodes everyone was referencing.
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The 2 bars I added behind my seat will continue all the way to outside rockers..might not be the most ideal but just like windshield pillars that everyone runs, was assuming it would suffice but I'm really wrong on that assumption than I'll have to redo those 2..dang it lol
 
Jody Treadway said:
thought you said you didn't do that sort of thing.
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I do crazy stuff just not some of the crazy stuff I've seen some of y'all' do lol...some a y'all just out right crazy wheelers, you couldn't get me to even ride with some of you
 
marty79 said:
I do crazy stuff just not some of the crazy stuff I've seen some of y'all' do lol...some a y'all just out right crazy wheelers, you couldn't get me to even ride with some of you
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You wouldn't like my cage design anyway. It's nothing like yours.
It's probably quite unsafe
 
marty79 said:
The 2 bars I added behind my seat will continue all the way to outside rockers..might not be the most ideal but just like windshield pillars that everyone runs, was assuming it would suffice but I'm really wrong on that assumption than I'll have to redo those 2..dang it lol
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I personally would redo those two bars and create an X behind the seats with a single tube up in the middle, then add tubes up to the roof bars from the vertical door bars. You're obviously cool with popping holes in the roof, so I'd pop two more and make the cage exponentially stronger than it currently is. The windshield pillars are never ideal from a strength perspective, but if you did an X up front you wouldn't be able to see.
 
marty79 said:
Cause yeah I obviously didn't focus on this rig for best looks award..built the cage for starters, ran out of tubing but haven't done anything hard till now so it'll get finished properly.
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If I could offer one single piece of advice to you that I think would help you tremendously it would be to never do this ^^^ again.
The single biggest issue I see you get picked on for typically boils down to a failure to plan. Before you bend or cut the first piece of tube or strike the first weld you should have a plan of exactly where that tube is going to go. And you should know how much tube you need. And if you run out, because you mess a piece up or added wrong or whatever...then stop and get more or wait until you can.

When it comes to roll cage "close" isnt good enough. And "best I could do at that moment" isnt acceptable.
Its trite but failing to plan is planning to fail. Have a plan, a good plan, then execute that plan.

You seem to Ready, Fire, Aim on most of your builds. What's frustrating to me is you are obviously a hard working dude. You are obviously passionate. If you would just calm the fawk down and slow down and listen a little (credit where it is due you have gotten much better at taking advice) you have potential to be great.
 
^turn that passion and drive into your researching and be humble in asking questions. Seeking out correct answers by talented builders on this forum can benefit you so much instead of being full of pride.
 
marty79 said:
I already said it's in the making, I mean seriously I know how to build a cage it's not hard or rocket science. Y'all need to chill and go out and live a little off the web.
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John, you're not listening.
We're (at least me) not talking about the part thats not finished. I'm talking about the part you already did, that has tubes going from floor to ceiling. I'm not sure what you mean by "not done", is it your plan to remove the lower tubes and move them? Why would you plan such a thing?
You say that you know how to build a cage and it isn't hard or rocket science. But, it isn't done correctly.
I would disagree with that statement - I actually think that doing a cage right is in fact pretty difficult and takes a lot of understanding and thought... and training. This is why we are providing constructive feedback.
 
marty79 said:
And FYI for like the thousand times my wife and daughter don't ride unless it's small little stuff through the woods..I kick everyone out when doing anything kinda crazy unless it's one of my friends who knows how to wheel and ride
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If you take NOTHING ELSE from this thread, pay attention to the numerous accounts of shit going sideways on the "small stuff." If you don't trust your skill or your equipment enough to let them ride the hard stuff, then don't let them ride the easy stuff.

Duane
 
RatLabGuy said:
that has tubes going from floor to ceiling. I'm
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I don't have any tubes going from floor to ceiling yet..if you're talking about that one in the picture that straight up and down I just did that because of the brace for my second transfer case. as far as any of the lateral pieces that go from one side of the body to the other none of those go from ceiling to the floor or outer rockers yet because again I ran out I'm well aware of doing a big x on the roof and on the front and back b and c pillars are the way to do it
 
CLRracer said:
If you don't trust your skill or your equipment enough to let them ride the hard stuff, then don't let them ride the easy stuff.
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got nothing to do with trusting my skill or my rig it has a whole lot more to do with some of these crazy-ass trails that I've seen people go up that's where the hardest rollovers I've ever seen personally happen and to me the scariest. So yes I stay off real sketchy stuff unless I keep winch hooked up while attempting a real sketchy hill.
 
iwaxmyjimmy said:
^turn that passion and drive into your researching and be humble in asking questions. Seeking out correct answers by talented builders on this forum can benefit you so much instead of being full of pride.
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I can think of 87 other posts like this in the rest of his bullshit threads. Just keep working on your own pile and save yourself the embarrassment on try to help this guy.


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