title question

UM... ok so for the sake of that stranger finds this thread, you guys want to spill the beans on what you did?

Didnt mean for it to be elusive. Have personally seen people take something found online that worked for someone, thinking it would help them, and ended up hurting themselves. Sorry, lol. Gave him the form the Dealership would have given him for a title. Its not a cure all solution, but generally when the evidence of title transfer is murky, submiting your States DMV Application for New Title form can do wonders for getting the teller to complete her job.

EDIT: Could I apply for a title under Custom Built?

For the Willys, you should be able to use a Application for New Title form, if there is a way you can find the original VIN. No vin... you may have to prepare for inspections. What i have done to avoid inspections and these headaches is this: I have a rebuilt vehicle but no title... I go and buy broken down or part out vehicle (with title) of the same model (year and color can be different, just same model. Cant use a TJ title for a YJ). Then simply take that title to the DMV, transfer it(this is the time to update the color if it changed), register, stick the plate on your rebuilt vehicle.
 
UM... ok so for the sake of that stranger finds this thread, you guys want to spill the beans on what you did?
best to pm ckruzer...its several legal terms and extra documents I cant remember. but he is super nice and helpful...didn't make me feel like an idiot although I may have been one in this regard hahaha

the extra documents cost a little more to do at the dvm but its a lot of headache gone and only one trip to the dmv
 
Didnt mean for it to be elusive. Have personally seen people take something found online that worked for someone, thinking it would help them, and ended up hurting themselves. Sorry, lol. Gave him the form the Dealership would have given him for a title. Its not a cure all solution, but generally when the evidence of title transfer is murky, submiting your States DMV Application for New Title form can do wonders for getting the teller to complete her job.



For the Willys, you should be able to use a Application for New Title form, if there is a way you can find the original VIN. No vin... you may have to prepare for inspections. What i have done to avoid inspections and these headaches is this: I have a rebuilt vehicle but no title... I go and buy broken down or part out vehicle (with title) of the same model (year and color can be different, just same model. Cant use a TJ title for a YJ). Then simply take that title to the DMV, transfer it(this is the time to update the color if it changed), register, stick the plate on your rebuilt vehicle.

what you just described is illegal
 
best to pm ckruzer...its several legal terms and extra documents I cant remember. but he is super nice and helpful...didn't make me feel like an idiot although I may have been one in this regard hahaha

the extra documents cost a little more to do at the dvm but its a lot of headache gone and only one trip to the dmv

no way man. not all. dont ask me how to build a house. i love mechanics, but def no expert. no one knows everything and no one knows nothing!!! im glad i was able to help!

what you just described is illegal

I have a 1987 YJ with original title. Even says AMC rather than Jeep. motor blows and i put in a silverado engine (diff vin). Is this illegal? Next my frame rusts, so i buy a 95 YJ frame and swap it. Illegal? (diff vin frame). I start hitting too many trails, so i swap in 79 1 ton axles (diff vin). Illegal yet? Im tired of the aged plastic dash, so i swap in a CJ7 dash (diff vin). Illegal yet? So far all that is left is the body... but oh wait, i pull the carpet and get ready to bed line the inside, but "Crap!" there are holes everywhere and all the body mounts are rusted/broken!!! So i find a 93 YJ body in excellent condition (diff vin) and i swap the body.

i now have a YJ that is 100 percent NOT the same VIN as my title. Am illegal? No, i am not.

The purpose of the VIN, title, and all these various gestapo numbers is one-fold: to identify the individual, the flesh and body who has "legal" and "authorized" use of the vehicle. It is not illegal because you are not participating in fraud, you are not participating in a mala in se or mala in prohibta action or inaction.

Dont over think it.
 
I have a 1987 YJ with original title. Even says AMC rather than Jeep. motor blows and i put in a silverado engine (diff vin). Is this illegal? Next my frame rusts, so i buy a 95 YJ frame and swap it. Illegal? (diff vin frame). I start hitting too many trails, so i swap in 79 1 ton axles (diff vin). Illegal yet? Im tired of the aged plastic dash, so i swap in a CJ7 dash (diff vin). Illegal yet? So far all that is left is the body... but oh wait, i pull the carpet and get ready to bed line the inside, but "Crap!" there are holes everywhere and all the body mounts are rusted/broken!!! So i find a 93 YJ body in excellent condition (diff vin) and i swap the body.

i now have a YJ that is 100 percent NOT the same VIN as my title. Am illegal? No, i am not.

The purpose of the VIN, title, and all these various gestapo numbers is one-fold: to identify the individual, the flesh and body who has "legal" and "authorized" use of the vehicle. It is not illegal because you are not participating in fraud, you are not participating in a mala in se or mala in prohibta action or inaction.

Dont over think it.
Agreed. Its kinda like the serial number on an AR15. It's not on the trigger, or the bolt, or the barrel, it's on the lower. Which really has the least to do with the boom, but its all a bureaucrat can comprehend. So even if you change everything else out on the AR, if its still the same lower, you still have the same "gun" on the books. Its nothing more than a people-property associator.
 
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Well since this is about a title question I'll ask it here instead of making a new post. Looking at buying a boat off a gov website being sold as is no title but with a notarized bill of sale boats in Tennessee how hard would it be to get it and trailer in my name and titled here?

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Well since this is about a title question I'll ask it here instead of making a new post. Looking at buying a boat off a gov website being sold as is no title but with a notarized bill of sale boats in Tennessee how hard would it be to get it and trailer in my name and titled here?

http://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Boating/documents/VL1Form.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Boating/documents/VesselTitleRequestForm.pdf

No NC experience, in FL bill of sale was always sufficient - had to apply for new title and reg anyways
 
no way man. not all. dont ask me how to build a house. i love mechanics, but def no expert. no one knows everything and no one knows nothing!!! im glad i was able to help!



I have a 1987 YJ with original title. Even says AMC rather than Jeep. motor blows and i put in a silverado engine (diff vin). Is this illegal? Next my frame rusts, so i buy a 95 YJ frame and swap it. Illegal? (diff vin frame). I start hitting too many trails, so i swap in 79 1 ton axles (diff vin). Illegal yet? Im tired of the aged plastic dash, so i swap in a CJ7 dash (diff vin). Illegal yet? So far all that is left is the body... but oh wait, i pull the carpet and get ready to bed line the inside, but "Crap!" there are holes everywhere and all the body mounts are rusted/broken!!! So i find a 93 YJ body in excellent condition (diff vin) and i swap the body.

i now have a YJ that is 100 percent NOT the same VIN as my title. Am illegal? No, i am not.

The purpose of the VIN, title, and all these various gestapo numbers is one-fold: to identify the individual, the flesh and body who has "legal" and "authorized" use of the vehicle. It is not illegal because you are not participating in fraud, you are not participating in a mala in se or mala in prohibta action or inaction.

Dont over think it.

I dont disagree with the reasoning for a VIN, but i dont completely agree with the rest. If this was the case, why do they primarily inspect the VIN on an older vehicle that is purchased out of state? If it is just to control ownership, it shouldnt matter what the VIN is, as long as its not reported stolen.


§ 20-108. Vehicles or component parts of vehicles without manufacturer's numbers.


(a) Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, sells, offers for sale, conceals, or has in his possession any motor vehicle, or engine or transmission or component part which has been stolen or removed from a motor vehicle and from which the manufacturer's serial or engine number or other distinguishing number or identification mark or number placed thereon under assignment from the Division has been removed, defaced, covered, altered, or destroyed for the purpose of concealing or misrepresenting the identity of said motor vehicle or engine or transmission or component part is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

(b) The Commissioner and such officers and inspectors of the Division of Motor Vehicles as he has designated may take and possess any motor vehicle or component part if its engine number, vehicle identification number, or manufacturer's serial number has been altered, changed, or obliterated or if such officer has probable cause to believe that the driver or person in charge of the motor vehicle or component part has violated subsection (a) above. Any officer who so takes possession of a motor vehicle or component part shall immediately notify the Division of Motor Vehicles and the rightful owner, if known. The notification shall contain a description of the motor vehicle or component part and any other facts that may assist in locating or establishing the rightful ownership thereof or in prosecuting any person for a violation of the provisions of this Article.


20-109. Altering or changing engine or other numbers.


(a) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person to willfully deface, destroy, remove, cover, or alter the manufacturer's serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(2) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the defacing, removal, destroying, covering, or alteration of the serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(3) Any person except a licensed vehicle manufacturer as authorized by law to place or stamp any serial number, transmission number, or engine number upon a vehicle, other than one assigned thereto by the Division; or

(4) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the placing or stamping of any serial number or motor number upon a motor vehicle, except such numbers as assigned thereto by the Division.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony.

(b) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to deface, destroy, remove, cover, alter, or use any serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(2) Any vehicle owner, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, or use of a serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(3) Any vehicle owner, with the intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of a vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, use, gift, or sale of any manufacturer's serial number, serial number plate, or any part or parts of a vehicle containing the serial number or portions of the serial number.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony. (1937, c. 407, s. 73; 1943, c. 726; 1953, c. 216; 1965, c. 621, s. 3; 1967, c. 449; 1973, c. 1089; 1975, c. 716, s. 5; 1979, c. 760, s. 5; 1979, 2nd Sess., c. 1316, s. 47; 1981, c. 179, s. 14; 1987, c. 512; 1993, c. 539, s. 1255; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
 
no way man. not all. dont ask me how to build a house. i love mechanics, but def no expert. no one knows everything and no one knows nothing!!! im glad i was able to help!



I have a 1987 YJ with original title. Even says AMC rather than Jeep. motor blows and i put in a silverado engine (diff vin). Is this illegal? Next my frame rusts, so i buy a 95 YJ frame and swap it. Illegal? (diff vin frame). I start hitting too many trails, so i swap in 79 1 ton axles (diff vin). Illegal yet? Im tired of the aged plastic dash, so i swap in a CJ7 dash (diff vin). Illegal yet? So far all that is left is the body... but oh wait, i pull the carpet and get ready to bed line the inside, but "Crap!" there are holes everywhere and all the body mounts are rusted/broken!!! So i find a 93 YJ body in excellent condition (diff vin) and i swap the body.

i now have a YJ that is 100 percent NOT the same VIN as my title. Am illegal? No, i am not.

The purpose of the VIN, title, and all these various gestapo numbers is one-fold: to identify the individual, the flesh and body who has "legal" and "authorized" use of the vehicle. It is not illegal because you are not participating in fraud, you are not participating in a mala in se or mala in prohibta action or inaction.

Dont over think it.

Totally different. I'm pretty sure if I started doing that on my car lot and selling them, I'd go to jail. Actually, I'm not pretty sure, I'm damn positive.
 
Connect the dots. To read law you have to read it like one of those stupid algebra problems in school that we all flunked. A = Z, and Z = B, B < A if A > B.

§ 20-108. Vehicles or component parts of vehicles without manufacturer's numbers.


(a) Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, sells, offers for sale, conceals, or has in his possession any motor vehicle, or engine or transmission or component part which has been stolen or removed from a motor vehicle and from which the manufacturer's serial or engine number or other distinguishing number or identification mark or number placed thereon under assignment from the Division has been removed, defaced, covered, altered, or destroyed for the purpose of concealing or misrepresenting the identity of said motor vehicle or engine or transmission or component part is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

section b is a sub of A and therefore in the spirit of it as specified further in section(b) The Commissioner and such officers and inspectors of the Division of Motor Vehicles as he has designated may take and possess any motor vehicle or component part if its engine number, vehicle identification number, or manufacturer's serial number has been altered, changed, or obliterated or if such officer has probable cause to believe that the driver or person in charge of the motor vehicle or component part has violated subsection (a) above. Any officer who so takes possession of a motor vehicle or component part shall immediately notify the Division of Motor Vehicles and the rightful owner, if known. The notification shall contain a description of the motor vehicle or component part and any other facts that may assist in locating or establishing the rightful ownership thereof or in prosecuting any person for a violation of the provisions of this Article.


20-109. Altering or changing engine or other numbers.


(a) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person to willfully deface, destroy, remove, cover, or alter the manufacturer's serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(2) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the defacing, removal, destroying, covering, or alteration of the serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(3) Any person except a licensed vehicle manufacturer as authorized by law to place or stamp any serial number, transmission number, or engine number upon a vehicle, other than one assigned thereto by the Division; or

(4) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the placing or stamping of any serial number or motor number upon a motor vehicle, except such numbers as assigned thereto by the Division.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony.

(b) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to deface, destroy, remove, cover, alter, or use any serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(2) Any vehicle owner, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, or use of a serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(3) Any vehicle owner, with the intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of a vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, use, gift, or sale of any manufacturer's serial number, serial number plate, or any part or parts of a vehicle containing the serial number or portions of the serial number.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony. (1937, c. 407, s. 73; 1943, c. 726; 1953, c. 216; 1965, c. 621, s. 3; 1967, c. 449; 1973, c. 1089; 1975, c. 716, s. 5; 1979, c. 760, s. 5; 1979, 2nd Sess., c. 1316, s. 47; 1981, c. 179, s. 14; 1987, c. 512; 1993, c. 539, s. 1255; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)[/QUOTE]
 
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Totally different. I'm pretty sure if I started doing that on my car lot and selling them, I'd go to jail. Actually, I'm not pretty sure, I'm damn positive.

whats different? i agree, car lot = fraud. the conversation had nothing to do with commercial sales or even private sales. this is simply a discussion regarding what to do when you have LEGALLY purchased a vehicle in which there is a lost title. If you enjoy the redtape, there is a procedure at the DMV to show your bill of sale and apply for a reissue of a title due to lost title.

nothing in the matter presented is misrepresenting, or illegal. In fact it can be considered a bona fide attempt to save the state money from having to process a rediculous amount of paperwork. Your not stealing the identity of another vehicle that will be on the road.

if you have a jeep that has no title. So you buy a broken jeep with title, register and insure it but cant drive it yet, and you slowly *FIX* the broken jeep with all your good parts, who here would have a problem driving that jeep with title and registration? No one, unless you licked the wall too many times as a kid... There is nothing illegal doing it in reverse. The exact same is accomplished. Nothing has been misrepresented. Nothing is being concealed.
 
whats different? i agree, car lot = fraud. the conversation had nothing to do with commercial sales or even private sales. this is simply a discussion regarding what to do when you have LEGALLY purchased a vehicle in which there is a lost title. If you enjoy the redtape, there is a procedure at the DMV to show your bill of sale and apply for a reissue of a title due to lost title.

nothing in the matter presented is misrepresenting, or illegal. In fact it can be considered a bona fide attempt to save the state money from having to process a rediculous amount of paperwork. Your not stealing the identity of another vehicle that will be on the road.

if you have a jeep that has no title. So you buy a broken jeep with title, register and insure it but cant drive it yet, and you slowly *FIX* the broken jeep with all your good parts, who here would have a problem driving that jeep with title and registration? No one, unless you licked the wall too many times as a kid... There is nothing illegal doing it in reverse. The exact same is accomplished. Nothing has been misrepresented. Nothing is being concealed.

You literally said in your earlier post that you would register the broken down vehicle and run the plates on the rebuilt vehicle. There is nothing about that that is legal.
 
You literally said in your earlier post that you would register the broken down vehicle and run the plates on the rebuilt vehicle. There is nothing about that that is legal.

i never said that. I said if you have a legally purchased rebuilt vehicle with a legal reason of missing title, an option is to buy a broken vehicle with title and use that title on your rebuilt vehicle. People do this every day. They build their own jeep drivetrain and look for someone selling a BODY with title - and upon completion they will have something to register

i go buy a broken tahoe. someone practiced tannerite on it. but has a title. i transfer title, register it and insure it. I turn the key nothing happens. Crap. Well, time to rebuild (while i keep insurance and registration active). I buy a excellent tahoe with no title (not stolen). I begin swapping the good parts over. Not there yet. Do it again. And then I buy another tahoe with no title and transfer its parts over. Almost there, buy a few parts on craigslist and Voila she is running and driving. Nothing i need to do with the DMV. I get in and drive. It has parts from 3 different tahoes and the body, engine and remaining drivetrain is replaced - it is NOT original identity. There is nothing wrong with this and people on here and everywhere else in teh nation do it every day.

Reversing the process yields the EXACT same results, with seriously less labor. Same results.
 
You literally said in your earlier post that you would register the broken down vehicle and run the plates on the rebuilt vehicle. There is nothing about that that is legal.

Dont over think this. Just like you dont about the many laws you break on a daily basis. Did you know...

it is illegal to use unsecured wifi, even at starbucks, without express permission. Failure to ask before EACH session is a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act

IF your daughter is an excellent singer, is illegal and copyright infringement to have her sing popular songs at your next holiday party. A restaurant singing happy birthday to your kid is illegal in all 56 states.

It is illegal for you to have a alternate email account, even if its just for junk mail accounts.

It is illegal for you and your friends to play poker at home with real money

It is illegal to go 1 mph over the speed limit.

In over 31 states it is illegal to use your phone while driving

Peeing outside ANYWHERE, including on "your" private property, is illegal.

It is illegal to cross a street without using a sidewalk, even if the nearest one is two blocks away....

It is illegal to litter, that means something as small as a cigarette, or an apple core, or a gum wrapper...

It is illegal to have in your procession broad tip permanent markers, like the ones used everyday in college, while on public property.
 
i never said that. I said if you have a legally purchased rebuilt vehicle with a legal reason of missing title, an option is to buy a broken vehicle with title and use that title on your rebuilt vehicle. People do this every day. They build their own jeep drivetrain and look for someone selling a BODY with title - and upon completion they will have something to register

i go buy a broken tahoe. someone practiced tannerite on it. but has a title. i transfer title, register it and insure it. I turn the key nothing happens. Crap. Well, time to rebuild (while i keep insurance and registration active). I buy a excellent tahoe with no title (not stolen). I begin swapping the good parts over. Not there yet. Do it again. And then I buy another tahoe with no title and transfer its parts over. Almost there, buy a few parts on craigslist and Voila she is running and driving. Nothing i need to do with the DMV. I get in and drive. It has parts from 3 different tahoes and the body, engine and remaining drivetrain is replaced - it is NOT original identity. There is nothing wrong with this and people on here and everywhere else in teh nation do it every day.

Reversing the process yields the EXACT same results, with seriously less labor. Same results.

I am totally confused by your "reversing the process" here. I am assuming you are basically saying you are vin swapping without actually saying you are vin swapping. What it seems like you are saying is that you have a turd ass vehicle with a good title and a nice vehicle with no title, so rather than swapping all the good parts onto the good title vehicle and registering it LEGALLY, you are taking the good title off of the bad vehicle and swapping it onto the good vehicle.....ILLEGALLY.

And your list of illegal things I probably do every day is invalid, because I can't go to jail for those.
 
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IF your daughter is an excellent singer, is illegal and copyright infringement to have her sing popular songs at your next holiday party. A restaurant singing happy birthday to your kid is illegal in all 56 states.
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56 states?
 
I am totally confused by your "reversing the process" here. I am assuming you are basically saying you are vin swapping without actually saying you are vin swapping. What it seems like you are saying is that you have a turd ass vehicle with a good title and a nice vehicle with no title, so rather than swapping all the good parts onto the good title vehicle and registering it LEGALLY, you are taking the good title off of the bad vehicle and swapping it onto the good vehicle.....ILLEGALLY.

And your list of illegal things I probably do every day is invalid, because I can't go to jail for those.
That's not what he said.
As long as you are combining parts that include a legal title, you are not breaking the law. It doesn't matter where the parts physically move to or from.
What is the difference between picking up a tub and putting it on a frame - and putting a frame underneath a tub?
Only your perspective on which one is "first".
 
And your list of illegal things I probably do every day is invalid, because I can't go to jail for those.
And btw you can in fact go to jail for many of those things.
I have a coworker who narrowly evaded a permanent sex offender conviction for peeing on the ground. In his backyard.
 
And btw you can in fact go to jail for many of those things.
I have a coworker who narrowly evaded a permanent sex offender conviction for peeing on the ground. In his backyard.

must hear this story in more detail!!!!
 
Connect the dots. To read law you have to read it like one of those stupid algebra problems in school that we all flunked. A = Z, and Z = B, B < A if A > B.

§ 20-108. Vehicles or component parts of vehicles without manufacturer's numbers.


(a) Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of, sells, offers for sale, conceals, or has in his possession any motor vehicle, or engine or transmission or component part which has been stolen or removed from a motor vehicle and from which the manufacturer's serial or engine number or other distinguishing number or identification mark or number placed thereon under assignment from the Division has been removed, defaced, covered, altered, or destroyed for the purpose of concealing or misrepresenting the identity of said motor vehicle or engine or transmission or component part is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

section b is a sub of A and therefore in the spirit of it as specified further in section(b) The Commissioner and such officers and inspectors of the Division of Motor Vehicles as he has designated may take and possess any motor vehicle or component part if its engine number, vehicle identification number, or manufacturer's serial number has been altered, changed, or obliterated or if such officer has probable cause to believe that the driver or person in charge of the motor vehicle or component part has violated subsection (a) above. Any officer who so takes possession of a motor vehicle or component part shall immediately notify the Division of Motor Vehicles and the rightful owner, if known. The notification shall contain a description of the motor vehicle or component part and any other facts that may assist in locating or establishing the rightful ownership thereof or in prosecuting any person for a violation of the provisions of this Article.


20-109. Altering or changing engine or other numbers.


(a) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person to willfully deface, destroy, remove, cover, or alter the manufacturer's serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(2) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the defacing, removal, destroying, covering, or alteration of the serial number, transmission number, or engine number; or

(3) Any person except a licensed vehicle manufacturer as authorized by law to place or stamp any serial number, transmission number, or engine number upon a vehicle, other than one assigned thereto by the Division; or

(4) Any vehicle owner to knowingly permit the placing or stamping of any serial number or motor number upon a motor vehicle, except such numbers as assigned thereto by the Division.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony.

(b) It shall be unlawful and constitute a felony for:

(1) Any person, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to deface, destroy, remove, cover, alter, or use any serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(2) Any vehicle owner, with intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of the vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, or use of a serial or motor number assigned to a vehicle by the Division; or

(3) Any vehicle owner, with the intent to conceal or misrepresent the true identity of a vehicle, to permit the defacing, destruction, removal, covering, alteration, use, gift, or sale of any manufacturer's serial number, serial number plate, or any part or parts of a vehicle containing the serial number or portions of the serial number.

A violation of this subsection shall be punishable as a Class I felony. (1937, c. 407, s. 73; 1943, c. 726; 1953, c. 216; 1965, c. 621, s. 3; 1967, c. 449; 1973, c. 1089; 1975, c. 716, s. 5; 1979, c. 760, s. 5; 1979, 2nd Sess., c. 1316, s. 47; 1981, c. 179, s. 14; 1987, c. 512; 1993, c. 539, s. 1255; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
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I think there is interpretation here, as with many things. IMO, If you remove the VIN plate and put it on another vehicle, I can say that you are trying to misrepresent the identity of the vehicle, even if you didnt intend to.
 
I think there is interpretation here, as with many things. IMO, If you remove the VIN plate and put it on another vehicle, I can say that you are trying to misrepresent the identity of the vehicle, even if you didnt intend to.

Apparently if you don't intend to break the law you are good. Just ask Comey and Hillary
 
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