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25hp new Holland with a belly mower $20k

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I have not thought at all about this perspective. The skid steer part. Got me thinking that the New Holland out does almost everything my front end loader on the tractor will do if used right. My tractor is an industrial loader. Still want touch the lift of the New Holland which is wheeled. I wonder which has better breaking dirt pressure at the bucket tip since the tractor is also 2wd. HMMMMM.

I'm turning into an old man,lol I maybe half most of yalls age but have a bunch of experiance running equiptment. except mini ex's only been on a few for short periods.
Skid steer all day long, Idk why a 30k dollar lawn mower with a bucket is so appealing. Also once you put pressure down on a FEL you loose steering and all the tractors i have ever used you can't see your bucket tip. Hard to do tasks that require some finesse.

I also understand 0% for a toy is nice as well..

How the hell are you running a bush hog with 19hp?
 
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So, back on track......tractors?

I have an 08 Kubota L3400 and love it! I bought it used with FEL and it is a beast!

If you aren't married to a new tractor, you can get a nice Kubota with some patience for ~$10k.

Messicks is my go to for parts, quick and easy to order parts, prices are great. Plan to throw $500 at fluids and filters. They also have a fantastic YouTube channel that goes into detail on most all Kubota current models.
I'd like to know where you are finding tractors for $10K. All the Kubota's I have seen are in the $20K $25K range. At that price new with 0% seems smarter. Unless a dealer can do the Kubota financing on a used unit.
 
I'd like to know where you are finding tractors for $10K. All the Kubota's I have seen are in the $20K $25K range. At that price new with 0% seems smarter. Unless a dealer can do the Kubota financing on a used unit.
Yeah, everything relatively new I see is near new prices, and 0% for 60, 72, or even 84 makes it appealing.

My closest dealers are JD and Kubota so if I want convenient dealer support I'm stuck with $$$ brands.

I started looking again because I tried to do some grading work with this old pos and it just made me mad.
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I also understand 0% for a toy is nice as well..

How the hell are you running a bush hog with 19hp?

Me too! My tractor makes double that in PTO horse power. They must think bush hog is just heavy mowing. My stuff is usually 3 to 4 feet tall and may or may not resemble light grading when I back over stuff and get rowdy. I have used the loader to persuade stuff down only to back over it and make it into chips. I may have broken a few shear bolts, lol! I'll do much less of this since I have a dedicated chipper now. It's PTO and 6 inch....another good use of the hp.

Your comment really got me thinking about a tractor in the same hp and agg build without the weight and loader length. Then get the New Holland out and ship shape.
 
Yeah, everything relatively new I see is near new prices, and 0% for 60, 72, or even 84 makes it appealing.

My closest dealers are JD and Kubota so if I want convenient dealer support I'm stuck with $$$ brands.

I started looking again because I tried to do some grading work with this old pos and it just made me mad.
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You ain't going to be worth a damn grading with a FEL either! I dug holes all over my yard trying to move dirt with my loader before I ever figured it out. I find myself using the box blade for more grading work than I do the bucket. If you're trying to level out that ground, you've got the wrong implement, not the wrong tractor!
 
You ain't going to be worth a damn grading with a FEL either! I dug holes all over my yard trying to move dirt with my loader before I ever figured it out. I find myself using the box blade for more grading work than I do the bucket. If you're trying to level out that ground, you've got the wrong implement, not the wrong tractor!
thinking the same.....scraper works good for moving loose stuff like ditches filled with gravel back to the crown or vise versa. Or snow, manure manipulation. Breaking or cutting much equals box blade and some ripper teeth. Finish work and crowning a scraper is nice when you need it to motivate right or left of the wheel base in increments.

I bought a dedicated multi ripper shank plow to loosen up un worked field dirt. Absolute game changer. Can't wait til cooler weather to use it along with the box blade and other stuff to do some grade changes. Granted a crawler could do it much faster but it would take longer to unload a beast then do the job in the right hands.
 
You ain't going to be worth a damn grading with a FEL either! I dug holes all over my yard trying to move dirt with my loader before I ever figured it out. I find myself using the box blade for more grading work than I do the bucket. If you're trying to level out that ground, you've got the wrong implement, not the wrong tractor!
I want a combo bucket.

And not trying to level, trying to build up berms in a few areas and clear out loose dirt that filled in.

And when you have a tractor that the transmission doesn't want to shift and you're trying to do lots of back forward back forward, it's the wrong tractor.
 
I'd get a skid steer. The ONLY thing I ever used my tractor for was bush hogging and dragging a box blade. The FEL was mostly used for picking stuff up and rarely for moving dirt/sand/rock. The lifting capacity just wasn't there. I did love my (2008) Kubota L4400, but now @jeepinmatt 's neighbor uses it way more than I ever did.

On my next go 'round, I'll have a skid steer and another excavator. Much more useful all around to me. Obviously, it's more cost, but I'm alright with that.
 
I'd get a skid steer. The ONLY thing I ever used my tractor for was bush hogging and dragging a box blade. The FEL was mostly used for picking stuff up and rarely for moving dirt/sand/rock. The lifting capacity just wasn't there. I did love my (2008) Kubota L4400, but now @jeepinmatt 's neighbor uses it way more than I ever did.

On my next go 'round, I'll have a skid steer and another excavator. Much more useful all around to me. Obviously, it's more cost, but I'm alright with that.
I have a 30hp Kubota, can't remember the model. I graded my yard and filled in the flower beds and that was about all the dirt work I cared to do with it. It's good for moving mulch and the occasional bucket of rocks, but that's about it. Id much rather have a skid steer for real work. Been keeping my eye out.
 
I'd like to know where you are finding tractors for $10K. All the Kubota's I have seen are in the $20K $25K range. At that price new with 0% seems smarter. Unless a dealer can do the Kubota financing on a used unit.
You gotta be quick but I see 25hp+ Kubota with FEL pop up on craigslist and marketplace. They aren't always the prettiest tractors. I got a deal on mine as a package deal (trailer and tractor). Fixed up the trailer and sold it to recoup some cost.

Like everything, off peak season is the time to get the deals....boats, jeeps, motorcycles and tractors all drop value in the winter.
 
They got a bunch right down the road from where they sell the 2500lb tractors that can move dirt with their FEL. Lol
I've moved a shit ton of dirt with a BX23, so....?
 
Sub compacts/compact tractors are like Swiss Army knives. They aren’t particularly good at any 1 thing but do an OK job at most everything.

The benefit comes in its affordability for the homeowner/small farm to make work easier, not necessarily the most efficient (but more efficient than by hand). That’s where you have Contractor grade equipment like mini ex and skid steers, much more efficient but usually at a much higher price point, plus the trailer and truck needed to haul them.

I had 15CY of mulch tbat was placed around the yard and flower beds in what seemed like just an hour with the tractor. The skid steer would have done it as well but I’d also be spending another 1/2 day repairing the grass and yard that was torn up.
 
I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, but have chosen not to engage because I didn't have time for the arguments that will ensue...

But it's finally a slow day at work, so here we go!
I've got about 6 acres at the new property, mostly wooded. Been wanting a tractor to help maintain and do around the house projects, mostly bucket work. What's everyone running? Was considered a John Deere 1k or 2k series tractor due to the fact I can get a drive on belly mower as it would be my primary mower. Dont mind the payment, would obviously prefer not to have one, But who knows. Not trying to make any money off if it working side jobs. Not trying to lift round bales or anything crazy. Any advice is appreciated.
It sounds like you are in a similar situation that I was in when I bought my property. It was 100% wooded. First thing I bought was a Massey 35 (35hp old tractor). It was great for scraping the driveway and dragging stuff, but pretty useless for clearing trees, getting stumps out, or grading. There was nothing to mow on mine, so no need for a bushhog either. The next progression was dads old backhoe (which @shawn bought from me). Used it to rip up lots of small stuff with a chain and the hoe, and dig out some larger trees and get the stump out. But it sucked needing a second person and was slow. Then moved on to the 9k pound dozer and got a lot knocked down, but realized I needed something more maneuverable and got a wheeled skidsteer with 4n1 bucket for dirtmoving/landscaping/burnpile loading/etc. Various progressions through the years led me to later get a mini excavator, then a tracked skidsteer, then a better tracked skidsteer, then sell the dozer. Now I have the tracked skidsteer, mini-ex, and still have the old Massey 35. I literally NEVER use the old tractor. It is at a friends house, because its one of the first things the wife and I bought together, and for him it beats the hell out of maintaining a driveway by hand. Were it not for the sentiment, I would have sold it long ago.

With that said, a tractor isn't useless. It depends greatly on what YOU need it for. My neighbor bought the Kubota L4400 from @Croatan_Kid and I use it from time to time when I need to till the garden, but if I didn't have a skidsteer and mini-ex, I would have a buy a newer 4x4 hydrostatic tractor with a bucket. For yard and driveway maintenance a tractor is hard to beat. It doesn't tear up the ground as much, and you can travel faster while singing She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy. For bushhogging pasture, I'd take a tractor any day. For clearing brush and thinning woods, my skidsteer with the brush cutter is easily 5x more efficient and can do larger material and fit it tighter and more awkward places. If I need to rip stuff out of the ground or load logs into the chipper, I'll hop on the mini-ex because it is 5x more efficient than the skidsteer at that stuff. This is a good summation:
Sub compacts/compact tractors are like Swiss Army knives. They aren’t particularly good at any 1 thing but do an OK job at most everything.

If I were just maintaining a homestead, a 4x4 tractor would be hard to beat. If I wanted to clear trees, cut dirt, and make extra money here and there, nothing is more versatile than a skidsteer for all of those things, but in a lot of ways, a mini-ex is actually more versatile than a skidsteer because of how you can move material or an attachment without ever moving the machine. @APJeeps I read back through the thread and couldn't get a clear idea of what you intended to do with it, other than it being your primary mower, and if that is the case, a zero turn and a cheaper older tractor would be even better. With that said one of my best friends lives in a neighborhood in south Charlotte on about a 1/2 acre and has a ~20hp John Deere 755 4x4 tractor with a FEL and belly mower, and its how he cuts his grass. I'm really not sure why he has it, other than he is kinda retarded like me, and likes things to be overly industrial and overkill for the application.
 
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The biggest reason I went with something as big as I did was the weight, plus I wanted something that would handle 6 foot implements. The L4400 is 44 or 45hp at the crank and either 37 or 38 hp at the PTO. I could still easily dig 4 holes if it got hooked on something. Bush hog, FEL, canopy, and loaded rear tires brought the weight up to just over 6000 lbs.

I really loved everything about that tractor...except for how narrow the front tires are, but I didn't want anything with R4 (construction tires) tires. R1s (ag tires) ALL day baby!
 
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I've got a older f150, newer truck isn't really in the cards at the moment. So something the 150 could pull relatively easy would definitely be a plus. It's kinda one of those situations where once the work is done it will be used for maintenance around the property, belly mower isn't required just a thought.

Skid steer sounds like itd be perfect but geeeez the price point on them is crazy. I know, I know they are worth their weight in gold. But after remodeling the house and lil man is due next month, I'm going for what will cover most of my needs for the money. Probably should explain what I need it for. Light land clearing, light grading work, have a small retention wall I need to build (2-3ft). I have a riding mower I could do around the house and a finish mower would prob be okay once I seed the area that needs to be cleared.

The Kubota L2501 /2502 price point is definitely tempting with the 0% and the warranty. Will more than likely get some pricing from local dealers just to get a better idea.

I am a fan of being debt free so in the mean time I'll continue to look for a older tractor that could do everything I need. Don't need fancy, just functional.
 
I've got an old 65hp tractor from the 50's , a mini ex, and a tracked skid steer. Come up one day and try them out to see how you like them for certain task. Plenty of stuff around my place that could stand be knocked over, dug up, moved from A to B.
 
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