URE vandalism?

[Franklin]

Do the permits not have a tag# and vehicle description required on them.

A pressure washer could fix that in less than 10 minutes.

 

[lomodyj]

Do the permits not have a tag# and vehicle description required on them.

The annual tags have a number, but there is no regestration for the tag. This is something that has been discussed, but it is time consuming and costly to log each sticker when it is sold (especially the day tags, which are not numbered). The stores that sell the tags (Outpost, Mullinix et all) do not sell the passes for any more than they get them from the USFS for, so tying up their employees to log each tag would cost them. We may see the tags sell for more next year so we can cover the time needed to do the regestration of the passes, so that there is a drivers licence # associated with each pass. But this is still open for discussion.

A pressure washer could fix that in less than 10 minutes.

Great, we have a work day on April 22, bring your pressure washer, and I'll lead you to that rock. While we are at it, we can then go around to Slab Pile and clean up the rocks there...

 

[Caver Dave]

Great, we have a work day on April 22, bring your pressure washer, and I'll lead you to that rock. While we are at it, we can then go around to Slab Pile and clean up the rocks there...

I was waiting for the (sledge)hammer to fall!
Don't forget a "large" container for the water to pump thru your pressure washer either... or a few THOUSAND feet of garden hose!

 

[Trebissky]

Do the permits not have a tag# and vehicle description required on them.
A pressure washer could fix that in less than 10 minutes.

Could a pressure washer fix it if the asshole sprays shit on every other rock on the hillside?

And no, scraping paint off your fender by accident is NOT even remotely like spraying it on something on purpose. If you found that same "I heart Tiff" on the side of your house, or your church, or your kids' school, you'd damn well want to know who put it there, wouldn't you?

So why is it different when it's "only" on a rock? That rock is part of a place we all want to have available for our use and NOT for someone else's ABUSE.

Yeah, so far I've been to URE all of once. I liked what I saw and don't want it screwed up any more than those of you who've been there all year every year for decades.

 

[Joel]

Isn't the real issue the willful intent to cause damage? So the kid spraypainted a rock this time. Next time he might be more tempted to go play in a fenced off mudhole. Since that won't be as big of a deal maybe he will go trailblazing the time after that. And since nobody cares maybe he will start taking archeological artifacts as well.

We have rules that we have to live within, those rules should be enforced. I bet some of you who are complacent about this would have started some fiery post if it had been your house that got spraypainted. This is your property after all.

 

[Trebissky]

I bet some of you who are complacent about this would have started some fiery post if it had been your house that got spraypainted.

And God help the dumbass if he "tagged" someone's RIG while the owner was watching someone else do a hill climb or something.

 

[Rich]

Isn't the real issue the willful intent to cause damage?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[CasterTroy]

Isn't the real issue the willful intent to cause damage? So the kid spraypainted a rock this time. Next time he might be more tempted to go play in a fenced off mudhole. Since that won't be as big of a deal maybe he will go trailblazing the time after that. And since nobody cares maybe he will start taking archeological artifacts as well.

We have rules that we have to live within, those rules should be enforced. I bet some of you who are complacent about this would have started some fiery post if it had been your house that got spraypainted. This is your property after all.

Thanks for saying exactly what I couldn't quite compose and say myself. Where's that stand-up clapping smiley?

 

[danielsapp414]

it was probably some drunk kid that got laid for the first time out there and wanted to show his first some love...doubt his intent was vandalism, probably more expression, people should look for kids like this and lead them to other routes of expression or finding themselves. perhaps helping them get into some legal graffiti contests or something would be a good way to curb this. kick his ass then send him to state or somewhere with an expression tunnel and tell him to go wild there, more people see that anyways, chances are he'll learn more from a hi-lift to the ribs than handcuffs in the long run.(disclaimer: definately not promoting the hi-lift idea, this idea is in fact a bad one and can seriously hurt someone) but really, there are sometimes better avenues that we can take to show some kids how to act and treat others and the environment and actually change them instead of just fining them.

 

[Rob]

but really, there are sometimes better avenues that we can take to show some kids how to act and treat others and the environment and actually change them instead of just fining them.

Danial, no offense to you, so don't take this the wrong way. But it's not my job, or anyone elses to "raise" someone elses kid. I'm already raising my two, and you wouldn't catch either one of them spray painting a rock, in fact, they complain as much as I do about trash on the trails. If that kid is old enough to drive out there, he's old enough to know better then to paint on public land. If I catch someone doing this, I will turn them in, and I hope they get fined, and I hope their parents pull their license.

 

[Spence]

...doubt his intent was vandalism

considering youre only seeing one thing he painted, the rest were stupid stuff like toyota symbols, and random shapes, squares and x's, its obvious he was painting for the sake of making ugly marks on rocks, not to " express himself"
and even if that was his intent, does that make it any less illegal?

 

[got4-lo]

disgusts me.... shitty part is it makes all of us who pick up trash, stay on the trail and use tree straps look like turds, when we are really tryin to do the right thing. i wish i would have seen the fawker doin that crap..

 

[Rich]

doubt his intent was vandalism, probably more expression, people should look for kids like this and lead them to other routes of expression or finding themselves....

So you'd be more lenient on a guy who robs your house in order to express himself than a guy who did it because he needs the money?

Come into my house - either way, he'd be well-ventilated.

 

[uglyjeepoffroad]

it was probably some drunk kid that got laid for the first time out there and wanted to show his first some love...doubt his intent was vandalism, probably more expression, people should look for kids like this and lead them to other routes of expression or finding themselves. perhaps helping them get into some legal graffiti contests or something would be a good way to curb this. kick his ass then send him to state or somewhere with an expression tunnel and tell him to go wild there, more people see that anyways, chances are he'll learn more from a hi-lift to the ribs than handcuffs in the long run.(disclaimer: definately not promoting the hi-lift idea, this idea is in fact a bad one and can seriously hurt someone) but really, there are sometimes better avenues that we can take to show some kids how to act and treat others and the environment and actually change them instead of just fining them.

Something is starting to make me think he either knows Tiff, IS Tiff, or knows the kid who did this.

When you grow up a little and have things of your own (house, etc.) your opinion on leniency will change.

 

[Franklin]

Great, we have a work day on April 22, bring your pressure washer, and I'll lead you to that rock. While we are at it, we can then go around to Slab Pile and clean up the rocks there...

I simply offered a quick and easy way to remove the damage along w/ a registration suggestion. Let the stores make a $1 off the tags for their time.

Meh