Water 4 Gas

A 2.5mpg gain is not bad.
 
hey guys, i am have been studying on this for about 3 months now and have built three little prototypes. i have been testing them on 12.5 hp briggs mower and have gained a 25% increase by just running it into the air intake. (w/o leaning out the engine). i am in the process of building a large one and installing it and a map sensor adjuster so i can control the air/fuel mixture on my 97 XJ. i will let you guys know how it turns out as well.
 
For all you skeptics, remember, hydrogen is the most abudant element in the universe. Also, does anyone remember the Hindenburg? Hydrogen is combustible!!!
 
a guy I work with has a 1.0 geo metro and is getting 80 mpg with a system on his car was getting around 50 thats a big jump. I have a 89 crx and get 40 mpg now and I am trying to fab up a system for my car now so we will see what comes out of it cant hurt to try. There is a guy in Va that is running a gm tbi 305 only on hydrogen so it can be done. Myth Busters also did this on there show and it worked
 
OK,
there is a Yahoo group "watercar" that I have been reading.

The HHO Kit will work but there are Issues with EFI controled cars.

The HHO getts added to the intake air and causes a better burn. But witht the added pure O2 then it throughd off the O2 sensor and make the computer think it is runnning too lean, so it injects more gas to counter the "too lean condidtion". there are some kits and devices to try and fool the O2 sensor and some work and some do not.

A non EFI engine will respond better to HHO than a EFI one.

On of the Idea that I will be trying is seperating hydrogen and oxygen. and not put any extra O2 in the engine just Hydrogen
 
NC_Mog said:
The 2nd law of thermodynamics covers this...it's the conservation of energy. What goes in has to be equal to what goes out, including energy lost due to heat (rather than work) generated, friction, etc.
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So nuclear fission doesnt work?

Matter can become energy, with an inordinately smaller amount of energy inputted. Output energy become greater than input energy at the cost of matter.

Oh, and the 2nd law refers to heat transfer between materials. Not matter/energy transfer
 
Sorry typo on my part...1st law of thermodynamics is conservation of energy. Heat is a form energy so therefore it applies. The 2nd law deals with entropy.

The law still applies to nuclear processes. Do a search on nuclear energy/processes and missing mass. I'm not a NE but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. ;)
 
But, does that really apply here? Electrolysis isn't a heat process but a chemical process?

Im no NE either. Just enuff knowledge to be dangerous! LOL!

Fuel is converted to heat energy thru ignition. That energy is converted to work when it pushes the piston. Only Approx 30% of that heat actually converts to work due to heat loss. (exhaust and cooling system) Of that 30%, some portion is used to run the electrical systems (alternator, that recharges the battery), that supplies the work (movement of the fuel from the storage tank) and ignition source, (the coil, the "sparkers"), for the fuel to be converted to heat and thus the resulting work. I understand about efficiency and loss, but yet our internal combustion engine supplies enuff power to move the car and run its own electrical system.

From that stand point. How much of the wattage generated does the electrolysis event utilize compared to, say, the fuel pump? The Hydrogen engine will require some of the same electrical systems as the gas engine, but with some big exceptions. No fuel "pump". Much less ignition voltage. None of the sensors that use electricity to operate. And the fuel has a much higher yield than gasoline. (Volumetric effeciency?)

Would it be correct to say that the net internal combustion system efficiency loss shows up as our needing to replace the battery every so often. Otherwise, our vehicle system would run indefinitely (save for mechanical failures) as long as the fuel pump could pump fuel from somewhere?
 
well, arguing whether or not this works is kinda silly, specially since VW just came out with the 235 mpg diesel. obviously the technology is out there.
 
The guy that has a shop next to mine put the setup on his 05 powerstroke and claims hes getting 47 mpg

I still haven't seen a definite yes or no on this thing! I'm about to make one myself and put it on my cummins
 
anyone who has tried this have a diagram they wouldnt mind sharin?
 
ol'Jeeps said:
But, does that really apply here? Electrolysis isn't a heat process but a chemical process?

Im no NE either. Just enuff knowledge to be dangerous! LOL!

Fuel is converted to heat energy thru ignition. That energy is converted to work when it pushes the piston. Only Approx 30% of that heat actually converts to work due to heat loss. (exhaust and cooling system) Of that 30%, some portion is used to run the electrical systems (alternator, that recharges the battery), that supplies the work (movement of the fuel from the storage tank) and ignition source, (the coil, the "sparkers"), for the fuel to be converted to heat and thus the resulting work. I understand about efficiency and loss, but yet our internal combustion engine supplies enuff power to move the car and run its own electrical system.

From that stand point. How much of the wattage generated does the electrolysis event utilize compared to, say, the fuel pump? The Hydrogen engine will require some of the same electrical systems as the gas engine, but with some big exceptions. No fuel "pump". Much less ignition voltage. None of the sensors that use electricity to operate. And the fuel has a much higher yield than gasoline. (Volumetric effeciency?)

Would it be correct to say that the net internal combustion system efficiency loss shows up as our needing to replace the battery every so often. Otherwise, our vehicle system would run indefinitely (save for mechanical failures) as long as the fuel pump could pump fuel from somewhere?
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It still applies to electrolysis. Energy is required to break apart a water molecule; you yield less energy when you recombine.

For an IC engine, roughly 1/3 of the energy is used for work, 1/3 goes into the cooling system as heat, and 1/3 goes out of the exhaust. More efficient engines yield more work per unit mass of gasoline.
 
89Wrangler. Whats the verdict? Is it worken??? Your audience wants to know
 
It will increase your MPG by evening out the burn rate. I have even seen a kit with a small bottle, and regulator for injecting the gas into the intake.

A friend of mine across the street is working on building one from scratch and has been very successful so far.
 
kinda related- I have seen a kit with hoses, solenoid, regulator and small bottle for hydrogen. Its used to inject a small ammount into the intake so that the combustion is cleaner. and more efficient
 
So, all i've read is ppl knowing of other ppl doin this. But no real hard evidence of an individual saying "yes i've done it on my car. And it does work. Here is my proof"
 
Kinda been watchin' this deal. Readin' alot on the net. Talkin' to engineers.
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"Smacks Booster" says it works.

Does he really know?
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Internet sites, some say yes, some say no.

Well...the Internet is the Internet
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Engineers say it can't work.

Engineers have been wrong.
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So I still don't know anything! LOL!:shaking:
 
I've heard of one local guy who was getting like 50mpg out of his Ranger with it. He backed the product so strongly that he plastered his truck with stickers and started selling them! :shaking: I'm still waiting to see some objective reviews. It just doesn't make sense how it could work, nor why somebody didn't utilize this technology decades ago and mass market it. It's caveman technology, if you think about it. There is NOTHING revolutionary going on in these reactors.
 
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