What happened in that van?

RatLabGuy said:
pssst - little secret - the vast majority of charges are tried by a judge, not a jury.
and as mentioned, these are most likely plea deals anyway.
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Depending on the muni, in NC, if it goes to trial it can be a jury case. I know many of the local cops here, and the majority of their drug cases that are tried go in front of a jury. I later get to hear about how TV has screwed the justice system because some POS has gotten off yet again. Normally I just tell them to put down the donuts and find those fingerprints/hairs that are at all the crime scenes.
 
I have nothing to add on the van incident for there's so many questions remaining. And we may never know the truth to resolve the issue.

But a guy I work with used to live in Baltimore. He just gave me a grand tour of the destruction on his computer since the town has cameras literally everywhere. (I guess google Baltimore live cam) But he knew where to go to show me. Simply amazing how a portion of the human race can be it's own enemy...

I do believe nature takes it's course no matter the situation. Burn and loot the town then where will your momma work to bring home rent money to put a roof over your stupid head?
 
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I do believe nature takes it's course no matter the situation. Burn and loot the town then where will your momma work to bring home rent money to put a roof over your stupid head?
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Yeah, well, this is a great theory, but I'm sure as you realize in practice it dosn't work out so neatly.
Who ends up losing a shit ton of money when the store burns? The store owner. Who may, or may not even be local. Who loses out from the insurance payout to cover the costs? Everybody in the actuarial pool. Where does the money for the cleanup come from? City property taxes, provided by all the homeowners in a city that already has the highest rates in the state. Who pays the bill for the National Gaurd to come in? State taxpayers like me, who live nowhere nearby, intentionally have nothing to do w/ the damn city and avoid it whenever possible.
Yet even the families of these hooligans are rarely paying into any kind of insurance pool, pay no property taxes, and pay very little if any income tax thanks to the "fair" tax brackets that let them get away scott free while the rest of us who have nothing to do with it foot the bill.
 
Dave,
When is the last time you looked at an insurance policy?
Try to find one that covers acts of riots.
I'll wait.

BTW CVS/Walgreen/Walmart of the world dont have insurance they self insure.
 
BTW We need more of that Momma and of Mr Valentine.

If we had more of them and less of some others we would have much less issues like last night.
 
Ron said:
BTW We need more of that Momma and of Mr Valentine.

If we had more of them and less of some others we would have much less issues like last night.
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half of them there in the streets don't know who their real parents are

THATS the root of the problem
 
Chuckman said:
half of them there in the streets don't know who their real parents are

THATS the root of the problem
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Bingo.
Note that now-infamous mom is single w/ 6 kids.
I'll be the asshole that says, if Dad had done his job earlier, there's a good chance his kid wouldn't be out there in the first place.
 
My anti tin-foil-hat senses are tingling now after what I just saw.


"Pictured below -yesterday- are the “Bloods” and “Crips” gangs, together with the Nation of Islam (guys with red bow ties) in Baltimore. Note the Nation of Islam giving the extended forefinger salute representing allegiance with ISIS.

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Are they really trying to say that I'm an ISIS supporter because I own one of these?

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damn,

that pic with the heads in the background is intense.

The ONLY thing that I have a problem with in this situation, is that Federal money (mine and your tax dollars) will go to help 'rebuild' this area, due to actions of others that I have no control over, but they do.
 
benXJ said:
damn,

that pic with the heads in the background is intense.

The ONLY thing that I have a problem with in this situation, is that Federal money (mine and your tax dollars) will go to help 'rebuild' this area, due to actions of others that I have no control over, but they do.
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Yep.... and it will be in the millions - perhaps billions when all is said and done (paying for the National Guard isn't cheap). Juxtapose that against the one million we initially pledged (has now been bumped to 10 million) to help Nepal when they have had over 4000 die in earthquake/aftershock/avalanche and we have a sad sense of priority.
 
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ManglerYJ said:
Yep.... and it will be in the millions - perhaps billions when all is said and done (paying for the National Guard isn't cheap). Juxtapose that against the one million we initially pledged (has now been bumped to 10 million) to help Nepal when they have had over 4000 die in earthquake/aftershock/avalanche and we have a sad sense of priority.
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well luckily for you fuckers, the national gaurd charges the state, not feds, when activated by the governor. Sucks for me though.
I sit here thinking about the raises our teachers haven't had in years, and the shuttering of busses b/c we can't afford them, due to a massive state budget shortfall we have already. This just makes me even more angry.
And just to be clear, that's not just anger at the rioters, but at the whole situation to which they are reacting, which includes everything from overreaching LEOs who have are forced into situations where they have to act quickly, to a former governor & mayor who's rediculously instituted "zero-tolerance" policies only exaccerbated the situation.
Technically the cost of these riots are much less than what the BPD has been paying out in lawsuit settlements.
 
fence the area, then burn the whole block and start over.

Im not sorry that I feel that way. they are not protesting, they are as my mom used to tell me 'acting a fool' and that behavior at a certain year of life needs consequences. zap them all before they procreate. they are all on the government teet, - if they were working theyd be at work.
broad strokes of the pen, yes. overboard, yes. racist, NO. scum knows no income/age/race/color/creed/religion. these people are scum, looting because its fun. Plain and simple. scum has always pointed the finger at anything but themselves, they will not accept the fact that they are responsible for their own actions and therefore will not respect any level of 'establishment'. to whom/where do I mail my bars of soap and gallons of gasoline
 
Chuckman said:
fence the area, then burn the whole block and start over.

Im not sorry that I feel that way. they are not protesting, they are as my mom used to tell me 'acting a fool' and that behavior at a certain year of life needs consequences. zap them all before they procreate. they are all on the government teet, - if they were working theyd be at work.
broad strokes of the pen, yes. overboard, yes. racist, NO. scum knows no income/age/race/color/creed/religion. these people are scum, looting because its fun. Plain and simple. scum has always pointed the finger at anything but themselves, they will not accept the fact that they are responsible for their own actions and therefore will not respect any level of 'establishment'. to whom/where do I mail my bars of soap and gallons of gasoline
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If we did that every time someone got the bright idea to riot to "rectify injustice", we would quickly run out of places to live. Detroit in 1943, Birmingham in 63, Harlem in 64, Watts riots in 65, Cleveland in 66, Newark and Detroit's 12th street riot in 67, Baltimore in 68, New Jersey in 71, Miami and Chattanooga in 1980, LA in 92, St Petersburg in 96, Cincinnati in 2001, Toledo in 2005, Ferguson in 2014, and now Baltimore again (the sequel is never as good as the first one). That's just a small portion of the riots from about 70 years of history, but represents a LOT of real estate across the country. This doesn't even begin to TOUCH Jim Crow, either.

Many of these instances were sparked by rumors of unfair treatment by the police only to be proven wrong later. Apparently rowdy mobs only hear what they want to hear.... who knew, right?
 
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WOW.... so all 6 police officers are going to face charges? In other words, because they still can't tell what actually happened, they have to appease the crowd by trotting all 6 officers out to take the fall for this.

Here's my take... You've got a couple bicycle cops that chased him down. You have a van driver (and most likely a passenger in cop van). And it sounds like a patrol car was involved in the foot chase as well as the bike cops. It's apparent by witnesses outside the vehicle as well as the dude riding along that he was belligerent inside the van, so his injury happened AFTER he was in the van. (it's hard to be belligerent with a severed spinal cord)

So how can you hold the bike cops liable for something that happened later? If they are saying the damage happened during the chase, then how can you hold the van driver liable?

Pardon the pun, but that's a copout by the DA's office. Now, most likely as a result of all 6 being charged, they will release the names of all 6 officers and regardless of the outcome of the charges, trial, due process and verdict - their lives will be in danger from the mob mentality that the rioters already have and will never be able to be a law enforcement officer anywhere.
 
ManglerYJ said:
If we did that every time someone got the bright idea to riot to "rectify injustice", we would quickly run out of places to live. Detroit in 1943, Birmingham in 63, Harlem in 64, Watts riots in 65, Cleveland in 66, Newark and Detroit's 12th street riot in 67, Baltimore in 68, New Jersey in 71, Miami and Chattanooga in 1980, LA in 92, St Petersburg in 96, Cincinnati in 2001, Toledo in 2005, Ferguson in 2014, and now Baltimore again (the sequel is never as good as the first one). That's just a small portion of the riots from about 70 years of history, but represents a LOT of real estate across the country. This doesn't even begin to TOUCH Jim Crow, either.

Many of these instances were sparked by rumors of unfair treatment by the police only to be proven wrong later. Apparently rowdy mobs only hear what they want to hear.... who knew, right?
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I stand by my statement. No tears lost over any of those places being wiped from the earth. Aside from that, at some point you must draw the line.

'see you in Arizona bay'
 
ManglerYJ said:
WOW.... so all 6 police officers are going to face charges? In other words, because they still can't tell what actually happened, they have to appease the crowd by trotting all 6 officers out to take the fall for this.

Here's my take... You've got a couple bicycle cops that chased him down. You have a van driver (and most likely a passenger in cop van). And it sounds like a patrol car was involved in the foot chase as well as the bike cops. It's apparent by witnesses outside the vehicle as well as the dude riding along that he was belligerent inside the van, so his injury happened AFTER he was in the van. (it's hard to be belligerent with a severed spinal cord)

So how can you hold the bike cops liable for something that happened later? If they are saying the damage happened during the chase, then how can you hold the van driver liable?

Pardon the pun, but that's a copout by the DA's office. Now, most likely as a result of all 6 being charged, they will release the names of all 6 officers and regardless of the outcome of the charges, trial, due process and verdict - their lives will be in danger from the mob mentality that the rioters already have and will never be able to be a law enforcement officer anywhere.
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Few things to note here.
- Being charged dosn't mean investigated and found guilty. It means the DA thinks there is enough evidence that there is a possibility of being found guilty, so there will now be a ful ldetailed investigation and a trial.
- This involed a whole series of events, between him being initially chase down and cuffed, time in van, and the time after the van ride before the call was made for medical care. Different cops were involved in different aspects - and have different charges as a result. Only 1, teh driver, is charged w/ Murder 2. The others have varying degrees of severity which I'm sure are related to what is assumed to be their level of responsiility. For example, one of the open questions is what happened during the time between when they pulled him out of the van, and a medical response call was made... why didn't that happen sooner? One could argue that this negligence led to Freddie's eventual death. So officiers involved during that time could be charged w/ manslaughter for their contrubution. Several of them could be argued to "contributing" to his death although not intending it, hence the charges.
- I'm sure this is also a ploy to ensure that *something* sticks, even though knowing it's not likely all charges will stand. This is good PR now. E.g. it's a common tactic to over-charge, then take the plea deal or assume the jury will find them guilty of a lesser version. My hunch is that only one or a few will actually end up w/ a manslaughter conviction.
Of course... when that happens, people will get all up in arms and cry and riot about cops getting unfair advantages, yet the truth is that most cases are worked this way, w/ a chance for a plea out or some charges dropped... hell Freddie himself had been given that chance many times...

IMO, better to let it all go to trial and see all the evidence come out, than to deal w/ the public uproar from appearing to immediately side w/ the officers and do nothing.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Few things to note here.
- Being charged dosn't mean investigated and found guilty. It means the DA thinks there is enough evidence that there is a possibility of being found guilty, so there will now be a ful ldetailed investigation and a trial.
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I think that there is significant pressure in light of Ferguson (Michael Brown), Cleveland (Tamir Rice) and New York (Eric Garner) cases, the rioters in Baltimore will settle for nothing less than seeing the 6 officers heads on a shiny silver platter.

No matter the outcome - however - even if all charges are dropped, there is no way that any of the 6 will be able to work in law enforcement again. I guarantee it. Their names are just too tarnished at this point for anyone to take on their liability.

Funny how the perp in the other side of the van is all the sudden recanting that he was trying to hurt himself. Almost like, "Oh wait, you mean if I say this the press can report my name and I'll sound like an Uncle Tom..... un no then - I only heard him hitting his head lightly on the side of the van.... in no way would that have been what killed him."


Oh.... and I don't buy the "I can't breathe" crap either... if you can talk, you can breathe.
 
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^I, having been choked out in the past and choked plenty of others out, I assure you its possible to talk with very little breath in your lungs and not be able to take in anymore. Next time it happens to me I have a push blade that'll get used on anyone, officer or other.
 
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