Winston-Salem police dept. Duchbaggery.

Jeff B

Jeff B

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I'm going to be honest I only watched about 2 min. At what point is the cop a dick? To me it seems camera guy is the dick looking ffor a lawsuit. I would not allow someone to videotape my place of business without a clear understanding of why. Might be IS or all I know.
 
RHSCTJ said:
I'm going to be honest I only watched about 2 min. At what point is the cop a dick? To me it seems camera guy is the dick looking ffor a lawsuit. I would not allow someone to videotape my place of business without a clear understanding of why. Might be IS or all I know.
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Unless you watch the whole video, it's like not voting but bitching about the president.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, on public property one has the right to video tape, stand and watch what ever he wants. You could stop him, sure. You can also go to jail for assault or if your a public servant you can open yourself & the dept. you serve to a huge law suit & negative media coverage.


The cop had no reason to detain this person.
 
Jeff B said:
Unless you watch the whole video, it's like not voting but bitching about the president.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, on public property one has the right to video tape, stand and watch what ever he wants. You could stop him, sure. You can also go to jail for assault or if your a public servant you can open yourself & the dept. you serve to a huge law suit & negative media coverage.


The cop had no reason to detain this person.
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Gotcha. I was hoping there was a highlight reel. Definitely not worth 22 min.
 
#1, that cop is an ass
#2, I don't remember anything about video cameras in the 1st amendment. As a citizen, I would be very concerned if I saw someone filming police stations, courthouses, etc. aren't there certain permits to be pulled for filming? Pretty sure MGM can't just pull up in front of a federal building and start making a movie.
 
I can't honestly quote the law as far as video taping, unless there is an ordnance or something.. There is nothing saying you cannot that I am aware of. The issue here is that the cop detained him, he had no right to question this person nor did he have the right to make passive aggressive threats about visiting his job or calling his job. This cop was like the gestapo..
 
Question, sure. Detain, no. Unless you can tell me what law I am breaking, we must both assume that I am not breaking any law. Even if he was, there still is no point in being an ass. I'm sure he will end up losing his job for it.
 
I guess if reporters can wait outside of a courthouse and paparazzi can do what ever they want it makes sense.
 
I agree... The police have a duty to question anything out of the ordinary. Its how they can prevent crime.(we always complain that they only show up after the fact) I see alot of these videos of people invoking their rights, but in todays times most are doing it to just get likes on you tube. Was the cop being a dick? Yeah, I think so, but like said if someone was outside my home or place of business with a video camera. I'd probably be out there asking questions also.... and if I didnt get some straight forward answers, I would go into asshole mode real fast...
 
The fact that the cop was issued a memo WITH THE GUYS NAME on it means they have already had issues with him pushing the boundaries of his "First Amendment rights"

(Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances)

None of his First Amendment rights were violated. He was not exercising religion, he is not a member of the press, he was not told he could not speak in public, if one can "peaceably assemble" solo, I guess he was doing so but he was also not petitioning the Government for the redress of grievances. He quite simply was being a dick for the express purpose of being a dick and instigating a response from a police officer. Now, did the officer respond politely, no. But, in this day and age where police officers have been ambushed simply for being police officers, exercising an abundance of caution is well within their rights.

You can only poke a sleeping bear for so long before it decides it will make you lunch. Or at least snarl at you.
 
Bad cop, but the guy with the camera needs to go get a job and a life.
 
Yes the camera operator was acting in a manner that would draw sucispcion in order to prove a point. He was however within his rights.
Police officers put up with a lot of crap every day. They must remember that they are public servants by their own choice. It is a thankless job. Everyone hates to see them coming unless they need them to do something. But, no one is being forced into that duty against their will.
As Americans we should also be thankful for people like the cameraman who keep the boundaries of our freedoms streched out to where they should be. Otherwise you end up with with the walls of the cage slowly closing in until one day you find out you can't even turn around.
 
Ok so some of you may not like this. Can you film at a walmart? Yes can you film a police station? Yes but if you do it more then once it is suspicious! It is the duties of the LEO to investigate a person that may be suspicious of something to try to find out what their intent is. It is legal for a LEO to detain you as long as needed to determine if you are not a threat to your self or the public. If the man would have given a reasonable reason for the filming then there probably would have been no issues. Is actions raised a red flag. There is also the fact that we don't know the history of this man and the LEO. Now!! The LEO was NOT acting professional at all! !!!! The personal stabs to the man were wrong. a LEO'S first goal is to maintain a professional attitude, unfortunately he didn't. This type of stuff is happening more and more these days! people need to understand that if you are going walk down the street with an AR-15 on your back, or film a police station, or not roll your window down more then an inch at a check point, you are going to throw up lots of red flags and cause a lot of questions from a LEO! also little FYI (GS 14-223) resist, obstruct, delay LEO can arrest you if you delay him from doing his duties i.e not answering questions, answering questions with questions........
 
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I agree... The police have a duty to question anything out of the ordinary. Its how they can prevent crime.(we always complain that they only show up after the fact) I see alot of these videos of people invoking their rights, but in todays times most are doing it to just get likes on you tube. Was the cop being a dick? Yeah, I think so, but like said if someone was outside my home or place of business with a video camera. I'd probably be out there asking questions also.... and if I didnt get some straight forward answers, I would go into asshole mode real fast...
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I don't think I could disagree more with a dude I like as much as you.

The police can question whatever they want, they can not force me to answer. That whole 4th amendment bit. If I was videoing your home, you'd be fine to question me. You aren't an arm of the state, whenever you CHOOSE to wear the badge you are held to a higher and different standard. As a LEO, you aren't allowed "asshole mode" you take a vow, in fact, to protect and serve even in the face of your own peril. Want a shiny badge, pretty lights and shitty pay thems the breaks.
 
Thanks for quoting that Stalinist bullshit for posterity.
 
krehel24 said:
Ok so some of you may not like this. Can you film at a walmart? Yes can you film a police station? Yes but if you do it more then once it is suspicious! It is the duties of the LEO to investigate a person that may be suspicious of something to try to find out what their intent is. It is legal for a LEO to detain you as long as needed to determine if you are not a threat to your self or the public. If the man would have given a reasonable reason for the filming then there probably would have been no issues. Is actions raised a red flag. There is also the fact that we don't know the history of this man and the LEO. Now!! The LEO was NOT acting professional at all! !!!! The personal stabs to the man were wrong. a LEO'S first goal is to maintain a professional attitude, unfortunately he didn't. This type of stuff is happening more and more these days! people need to understand that if you are going walk down the street with an AR-15 on your back, or film a police station, or not roll your window down more then an inch at a check point, you are going to throw up lots of red flags and cause a lot of questions from a LEO! also little FYI (GS 14-223) resist, obstruct, delay LEO can arrest you if you delay him from doing his duties i.e not answering questions, answering questions with questions........
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Wow...

Sir if you are a LEO I hope to find myself across a courtroom from you. I will get paid.
There are no less than 3 factual mistakes in your post.

I respect the job LEOs do,but I am not required to make your job convenient.
Plus in exchange for respecting LEOs I demand respect from them in return.
 
Ron said:
Wow...

Sir if you are a LEO I hope to find myself across a courtroom from you. I will get paid.
There are no less than 3 factual mistakes in your post.

I respect the job LEOs do,but I am not required to make your job convenient.
Plus in exchange for respecting LEOs I demand respect from them in return.
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Witch mistake would those be??
I agreed that the LEO was not being professional, and I agree that a LEO should show respect at all times. So what exactly are you having an issue with in my post?
 
Ron said:
Plus in exchange for respecting LEOs I demand respect from them in return.
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this right here says it all...to bad pigs don't listen and apply this. I've known couple good cops but must admit...in todays times cops have lost their dam minds and morale. having said this....SOON, and i believe within few years or way less, they (cops) will very quickly either stand down completely out of fear for their lives or they will continue to abuse their power which will land them dead. people are already fed up in some states and there are already Vigilantes out there hunting them down and the "smart cops" have resigned already by the hundreds out of fear because they know when people start to fight back "they don't know whose the 'good cop' vs the bad cop and i applaud these officers who have gone to be safe with their families and hope they too will stand up to the abusive ones. I thank God everyday i don't deal with any cops..nevertheless a abusive one cause i know it would not turn out well for him and i'd have to be on the run (or become a vigilante myself lol). if your a cop and this offends you..........................than you're probably one of those ass holes that i refer to but if not, i commend and applaud you for being right/fair/just/honorable and trustworthy as a officer of the people for the people!!
 
John Fuller said:
this right here says it all...to bad pigs don't listen and apply this. I've known couple good cops but must admit...in todays times cops have lost their dam minds and morale. having said this....SOON, and i believe within few years or way less, they (cops) will very quickly either stand down completely out of fear for their lives or they will continue to abuse their power which will land them dead. people are already fed up in some states and there are already Vigilantes out there hunting them down and the "smart cops" have resigned already by the hundreds out of fear because they know when people start to fight back "they don't know whose the 'good cop' vs the bad cop and i applaud these officers who have gone to be safe with their families and hope they too will stand up to the abusive ones. I thank God everyday i don't deal with any cops..nevertheless a abusive one cause i know it would not turn out well for him and i'd have to be on the run (or become a vigilante myself lol). if your a cop and this offends you..........................than you're probably one of those ass holes that i refer to but if not, i commend and applaud you for being right/fair/just/honorable and trustworthy as a officer of the people for the people!!
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I'm not sure why you even mention at the end about "if you are a cop and this offends you" since you open with a statement calling cops "pigs". Pretty much offended them all, good or bad, right up front I'm sure.
 
well i figured it was kind a common if your a cop/officer of justice than that's what you are...all others are pigs!! that's my opinion anyways to clear that up!!
 
My problem with the guy is that he has not bothered to research the particular Amendment that he is referencing in his "Audit", he is purposefully wasting the police officer's time in an effort to get his "audit" viral and add to the uproar that is going on in this country. Could that be considered "inciting a riot"? If they are saying that Michael Brown's step-father incited a riot by saying "Burn this motherfu¢ker down", is that his intent with his "audit"?

There again, we have the Freedom of Speech, but not the freedom to walk into a crowded theatre and yell, "Fire". Same thing goes, you have the right to record stuff on a public sidewalk, but when that freedom encroaches on the perceived safety and security of others, is where your freedom is trumped by the freedom of the sensible.

I agree, the cop was being a dick. But the dude was instigating. He was told at least once before to stop. There's no telling what an irrational person can do with videotape of infrastructure items at a police station. It's called homegrown terrorism. The terror part doesn't just lie in what actually happens (or happened), it's in what "could" happen.
 
krehel24 said:
Ok so some of you may not like this. Can you film at a walmart? Yes can you film a police station? Yes but if you do it more then once it is suspicious! It is the duties of the LEO to investigate a person that may be suspicious of something to try to find out what their intent is. It is legal for a LEO to detain you as long as needed to determine if you are not a threat to your self or the public. If the man would have given a reasonable reason for the filming then there probably would have been no issues. Is actions raised a red flag. There is also the fact that we don't know the history of this man and the LEO. Now!! The LEO was NOT acting professional at all! !!!! The personal stabs to the man were wrong. a LEO'S first goal is to maintain a professional attitude, unfortunately he didn't. This type of stuff is happening more and more these days! people need to understand that if you are going walk down the street with an AR-15 on your back, or film a police station, or not roll your window down more then an inch at a check point, you are going to throw up lots of red flags and cause a lot of questions from a LEO! also little FYI (GS 14-223) resist, obstruct, delay LEO can arrest you if you delay him from doing his duties i.e not answering questions, answering questions with questions........
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I bolded the 3 that caught my eye.
It doesnt matter how suspicious it is. A LEO can not detain you UNLESS you break a law. Detaining me to try and determine if I have broken a law is in fact a violation of illegal search and seizure.

Want to question my suspicious activity?
A) Arrest me for illegal activity
B) Subpeona me
C) Get a warrant

The badge does not give you a right to know what I am doing.

You do not have the right to stop and detain a random person because they are suspicious.
The public does not have to answer LEO questions , unless in a court of law under court order.

Invoking 5th amendment rights does NOT violate statute 14-223 and there is case law on the books establishing thus. Refusing to incriminate oneself does not constitute obstructing justice.

Look the other night my wife and kids and I went out for a drive. Just rode around with the sunroof open listening to music and having family time. Came up on a license check. (It was late..right at midnight) I rolled up with my window fully down and my license out in my hand. The officer starts shining the light through the car and asks where yall heading? My response was "Down the road"...it was the truth I had no destination in mind. We were just driving. He ordered me to pull over for further investigation. I wasn't filming, or being a douche. My fawking kids were in the backseat my wife by my side. At that point I turned the douche up a notch and after about 45 seconds was sent on my way. This 'LEO' was set on ruining my night and 'investigating my suspicious behavior' simply because he thought he could. Like it or not an officer of the law has LESS rights than an average citizen when invading someone's privacy specifically because they are an arm of the state.
 
Ron said:
I bolded the 3 that caught my eye.
It doesnt matter how suspicious it is. A LEO can not detain you UNLESS you break a law. Detaining me to try and determine if I have broken a law is in fact a violation of illegal search and seizure..
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Wait... what? So how do you expect that any police work would ever get done if they can ONLY question/detain those that they actually witnessed break the law? If a convenience store is robbed by "a white guy in a brown shirt and blue pants" (description given by store clerk), and I happen to be walking near said store in a brown shirt and blue pants, the police have a reason to question/detain me even though I didn't commit the crime. They need to ascertain that I was in fact where I said I was when the crime was committed. That may take some time, and while I am not "under arrest", I can be detained for a reasonable amount of time. During that time, they are free to observe my actions and take note of anything that I say (it is not admissible in court until I am arrested and read Miranda Rights, however). Since I did not commit the crime, it would be stupid of me to invoke 5th Amendment rights to remain silent. This is the difference between being detained and being arrested.

While there is currently no law that expressly forbids videotaping the infrastructure of a police station, people like this that push the issue will eventually force the police to encourage lawmakers to pass such a law. There wasn't always signs in the White House expressly forbidding photography, video cameras and cell phone usage, but there is now. Just try taking a tour of the White House and whip out your cell phone and see what the Secret Service does... well, at least the ones that are sober anyway.
 
Ron, I am not going to fight with you about this. I am sorry you have had a bad experience with the police, and I agree that there are plenty of bad cop, there are a lot of bad preachers! That doesn't make them all church bad, nor does it make all cops bad.

I would encourage you to study the GS a bit more. Also if you read the article attached to the video you will see that the main concern was the unprofessional personal remarks made by the LEO, witch I agree is bull shit!

John fuller!...........every time you post something it is some kind of diarrhea, could you move your self to FB for a bit?
 
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