yota or zuk > jeep

Maybe.

Hummer owner: "My Hummer can do anything your xxx can do...........if it could find on the trail."
If it could fit on a trail...
 
If it could fit on a trail...

Yes, sorry. Fit on the trail was what I meant to say. I usually don't get into Facebook of Hummer bashing, but I had a good arguement with a Hummer owner yesterday on FB and I'm still riled up. I have never heard so many excuses in my life.
 
Hummers are the biggest POS' when it comes to offroading......I would even drive a jeep before one :flipoff2:

Cant tell you how many I sunk in the desert hahahahaha!!
 
if any of you knew half of what I know about Hummers you'd change your tune.

Please enlighten us.

This is true. The only time I've seen any even near a trail was last may in Harlan, KY. They were having an "offroad event" We saw 4 or 5 H1s one time on the trails. The rest of them appeared to be "hotel crawling" in the Holiday Inn parking lot. We were at Harlan 4 days and saw that one group one time.
 
Please enlighten us.

This is true. The only time I've seen any even near a trail was last may in Harlan, KY. They were having an "offroad event" We saw 4 or 5 H1s one time on the trails. The rest of them appeared to be "hotel crawling" in the Holiday Inn parking lot. We were at Harlan 4 days and saw that one group one time.
What would you like to know? I mean they're used by the military and why would they chose such an inferior vehicle to haul our troops in. Before that they used Jeeps so it looks like to me it's Hummers then Jeeps then foreign garbage.

Diesel engines > 4 poppers
Independent suspension > solid axle (before you roll your eyes go ask Shannon Campbell what he thinks of Independent suspensions)
 
What would you like to know? I mean they're used by the military and why would they chose such an inferior vehicle to haul our troops in. Before that they used Jeeps so it looks like to me it's Hummers then Jeeps then foreign garbage.

Diesel engines > 4 poppers
Independent suspension > solid axle (before you roll your eyes go ask Shannon Campbell what he thinks of Independent suspensions)
bahahah. are you being serious about this? hummers are crap . ''I mean they're used by the military and why would they chose such an inferior vehicle to haul our troops in''? then tell me why the military has been using 9mm for years? (def an inferior round) even police officers have gone to 40......we are talkin about wheelin here, not hauling troops........................... and front suspension is for the wife.
 
bahahah. are you being serious about this? hummers are crap . ''I mean they're used by the military and why would they chose such an inferior vehicle to haul our troops in''? then tell me why the military has been using 9mm for years? (def an inferior round) even police officers have gone to 40......we are talkin about wheelin here, not hauling troops........................... and front suspension is for the wife.

how about we place the burden of proof on you then. why didn't they choose a toyota or suzuki then? tell me it's advantages over the Hummer in stock form.
 
Why does the Military use the hummer? well, that's a good question.Truth is, they did, and yes still do, but they don't buy them any more. My son was in one or several in Iraq, more working on them than driving them. Stock form? let's have a hummer follow a Rubi on same size tire and see where each are able to go. I will go as far as to say this, if they are so good, why do we see so few on the trails? I'll go one step further. Build your hummer, and then follow me everywhere I go. If it can do it, I will buy the driver and passengers dinner.

So, to answer the original question as to why?
Because the ones making the purchase are idiots, Let some redneck builders design the next ones. They will be cheaper, faster, more reliable, and last longer.
 
how about we place the burden of proof on you then. why didn't they choose a toyota or suzuki then? tell me it's advantages over the Hummer in stock form.

OK ok ok hold on a second here.
First of all lets be clear about something.
The US military has never bought a "hummer". (well I'm sure they've paid for them but that's different :D)

Military vehicle is a HMMWV. Or at best "Humvee".
"Hummer" is the name of a completely different vehicle sold in civilian form made by a different company. And these days 95% of the time here people think of an H2 as "Hummer".
But even then the H1s that are (well, were) civilian purchase-able are not the same vehicle the US Army uses.

So you can just give up on that.

OK now that that's behind us - you're talking about an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure the military Humvees are brutes. They have portals, come standard w/ re-inflatable tires, weigh anywhere between 5 and 12,000 lbs, come w/ any amount of armor... and are 6+ feet wide. Oh and cost what? 3-5X the price of any civilian truck?
Even then... take one on a nice narrow URE trail, or any of many East Coast tight tree-ridden trails. Good luck w/ that.
Please show me a video of ANY Humvee going right up Kodak. That's not even a "tight trail".

Yeah they're stout - but not made for trail riding, that's for sure.
Your comparison of Hummers "must be awesome b/c they use IFS like Campbell and others" - seriously?
The IFS system on those trucks is *nothing* like on the high dollar buggies.
That's pretty much like saying I must be in the same brilliance class as Einstein b/c we both worked for the US DoD.

Why didn't the US Military use stock Toyotas or Suzukis? How about - b/c those vehicle weren't DESIGNED FOR MILITARY USE.. The Humvee WAS.
 
This is not an apples and oranges argument, only one of these is a truck (or also a suv w the about the same drivetrain), and therefore the winner. You can't carry all the stuff you want to 4wheeling w the Jeep or an H2 or 3 SUT w their tiny beds, or carry your friends entire Zuki, or a bed full of a friends broken jeep parts back home like you can w a Toyota truck w a real truck bed. The military Hummer is obviously a different animal and does not apply.:shaking::p:lol::smokin:
 
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This is not an apples and oranges argument, only one of these is a truck (or also a suv w the about the same drivetrain), and therefore the winner. You can't carry all the stuff you want w the Jeep or an H2 or 3 SUT w their tiny beds, or carry your friends entire Zuki, or a bed full of a friends broken jeep parts back home like you can w a Toyota truck w a real truck bed. The military Hummer is obviously a different animal and does not apply.:shaking::p
Winner ! YOTA!! I'd love to have a military hummer the hell with this pos civilian box.
 
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