Confederate Flag.... what's it mean to you?

What do you see when you see the Confederate Flag?

  • Tradition

    Votes: 31 49.2%

  • Hatred

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Cool orange car

    Votes: 11 17.5%

  • Honor

    Votes: 7 11.1%

  • Something totally other.

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Total voters
    63
I personally see no problem with that flag or a confederate flag flying. I really could care less but as I see it if people push to keep it and it stays it wont be long for them to be able to fly other flags that don't have any historical value or mean anything to the state.



And I'm sure that if something was to happen in Mississippi they would be crying to change the flag.

I've realized most of the time the people that run around and scream change this and that are usually the least informed, and the most unwilling to see the other side.
 
I agree that the confederate flag shouldn't be flown on state or federal land, but if the state flag has a variation of a CSA flag it is fine. A flag represents something, and if the citizens of that state want to change the flag it should be up to the people of the state. Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas and I'm sure other southern states have some variation of a CSA flag and it is fine
 
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This is one of our other flags. Flown during Gettysburg. I'm sure someone would have a problem with it too. :shaking:
 
Blaze said:
I am a history major that focused on the Civil War and reconstruction. I can cite many facts, but no one ever wants to hear them on here.
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If you are a history major as recent as the last 40 years then you were assuredly taught the distorted view popularized by collectivist educators.
Slavery had little to do with the war, it was a side issue. The slavery in the northern states goes unmentioned by all except a few.
That Liberty stomping bastard Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue everywhere if the union could have been salvaged and he said so.
That symbol may be hated by those who do not see the glory, honor and sadness of it but so what?
Many hate many symbols.
Many love them.

God save the spirit which caused a free people to fight for the right to set their own course, may it arise again and soon.

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Riddle said:
I agree that the confederate flag shouldn't be flown on state or federal land, but if the state flag has a variation of a CSA flag it is fine. A flag represents something, and if the citizens of that state want to change the flag it should be up to the people of the state. Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas and I'm sure other southern states have some variation of a CSA flag and it is fine
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7 of them
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ves-on-in-the-flags-of-seven-southern-states/
 
Exactly what @ponykilr said! The side that "wins" gets to write the history books! Why do you think we're never taught about Wounded Knee in school? The government doesn't want us to know about it!
 
ponykilr said:
If you are a history major as recent as the last 40 years then you were assuredly taught the distorted view popularized by collectivist educators.
Slavery had little to do with the war, it was a side issue. The slavery in the northern states goes unmentioned by all except a few.
That Liberty stomping bastard Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue everywhere if the union could have been salvaged and he said so.
That symbol may be hated by those who do not see the glory, honor and sadness of it but so what?
Many hate many symbols.
Many love them.

God save the spirit which caused a free people to fight for the right to set their own course, may it arise again and soon.
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I honestly don't know where to start with this post. You obviously have a history knowledge taught to you by an 11th grade history teacher.

And I really can't believe that God supports ANY war, but that's just me. Especially one that was fought over the expansion of slavery. :p
 
ponykilr said:
If you are a history major as recent as the last 40 years then you were assuredly taught the distorted view popularized by collectivist educators.
Slavery had little to do with the war, it was a side issue. The slavery in the northern states goes unmentioned by all except a few.
That Liberty stomping bastard Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue everywhere if the union could have been salvaged and he said so.
That symbol may be hated by those who do not see the glory, honor and sadness of it but so what?
Many hate many symbols.
Many love them.

God save the spirit which caused a free people to fight for the right to set their own course, may it arise again and soon.

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Love that picture!
 
Blaze said:
I honestly don't know where to start with this post. You obviously have a history knowledge taught to you by an 11th grade history teacher.

And I really can't believe that God supports ANY war, but that's just me. Especially one that was fought over the expansion of slavery. :p
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So God didn't support the revolutionary war so people could actually worship him without being persecuted?
 
Blaze said:
I honestly don't know where to start with this post. You obviously have a history knowledge taught to you by an 11th grade history teacher.

And I really can't believe that God supports ANY war, but that's just me. Especially one that was fought over the expansion of slavery. :p
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Even a holy war? Crusade much?
 
OK, so you do realize that you are now arguing that God supported a war that involved enslaving another human being, right? Even if you don't believe that was the cause, you have to admit that was at least a factor of it. SMH.
 
I am not arguing, I am asking your opinion.

In my mind, only the Greek gods would support war as man were their pawns and entertainment.

Truly. Only man supports war.
 
Blaze said:
OK, so you do realize that you are now arguing that God supported a war that involved enslaving another human being, right? Even if you don't believe that was the cause, you have to admit that was at least a factor of it. SMH.
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There was slavery on both sides of the Mason-Dixon, but you were not taught that and if you do know it, you ignore it as an incovenient fact that doesn't support the narrative.

God supported many wars, Jews held slaves just like every other organized culture since men have walked the Earth. Paul exorted us to "treat our slaves well and not abuse them"

The war was not about slavery, it was about a people's right to not be oppressed by it's government. The South's seccession and the North's failure to ceed to their right to do so was NO different than when we stood against the tyranny of king George.

Slavery was already on it's way out in the South due to strong Christian influence. The Northern cotton buyers actually supported slavery to keep their own businesses flush with cash.

It was Northern slave ships and African sellers who continued the slave trade. Southern plantation owners bought them and used them to supply cotton to a North that was hungry for it.

Slavery was an American system, not a Southern one. Blacks were viewed as less intellegent and advanced by 90% of Americans and were in fact treated as property all over the nation.

Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:

I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?



Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”



Lincoln didn't care about slaves, he cared about power and his political career. He has been painted as a great man but he was nothing but a tyrant.
 
It's a piece of colored cloth flapping in the breeze. Waaaay back when flags were used (by intelligent groups) for long range communication and signaling they where a simple tool. I'm willing to bet almost all tribes/groups/armies waved flags as soon as cloth was first woven and dyed many centuries ago . All flags are part of WORLD history and for modern peeps to be offended by certain, ancient flags/events is selfish, closed minded and self serving. Flags have different meanings for different people for many reasons, none of which are absolute. If you don't like a flag don't fly it or stare at it too long, fly your own damn flag w pride if it makes you happy, but don't tell me to take mine down cause your offended by it, that's your problem.
 
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What if we agree to add 2 weeks to black history month. Can we keep our honor then?
 
I think their just trying to start a race war. The government just bows down to them and let's them do whatever in the hell they want.
 
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I'm just wondering what the Oblamo administration is trying to cover up while the dems and libs scream like a bunch of 2 year olds over a piece of cloth.


Matt
 
The very same folks calling for the removal of all things Confederate need to ponder how the American Indian feels about the Stars and Stripes being on display. You hear about Lincoln and ending Slavery but you don't hear about his policies regarding the Indians.
Whether or not the Confederate Flag flies at State Buildings is a decision best left to the residents of the applicable States. But those folks calling for the renaming of Memorials etc are just ignorant Sheeple. If you want to re-write history so as to remove all things offensive all you need to do is stack up a bunch of blank paper. Of course the stack of paper needs to be multi-colored so as not to offend anyone.
 
Stone Mountain has to be revised now. I recommend that we get out the ole chisel and remake it into a proudly displayed Lemming.
 
I told the kids yesterday that this country is going down hill. The country is arguing over a flag. Really?? Aren't there more important things to worry about than a flag?
That Flag has never done anything to me or anyone that I know. Yes some people find it offensive and I understand that. To me the Flag means nothing more than being from the south. That's it.
Others may think that it symbolizes being a racist. From my experiences on this earth most of the people that view the flag as a racist symbol have been the most racist people I've met. Yes that is both white and black people. And I would dare say that I have met more racist black people than white. Do I think that all black people are racist? No I do not and I don't assume that they are till they prove me otherwise either. Do I assume that all white people with confederate flag in there yard are racist. Nope.
I choose not to show off my southern pride with the flag mainly because of how others perceive it. I don't want to unintentionally offend someone. If there first impression of me is being a racist because of the flag then they will never get to know me and learn the real truth about me or my family.
We do live in the land of the free so I should be able to show the Flag with pride if I wanted to. Some people do and I have no problem with it. Others like me do not because they don't want to cause trouble or give off the wrong impression. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
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