NC "Constitutional Conceal Carry" Bill

Somebody chime in - do u legally need to have s handgun permit to own one in NC??? Bet not. But just checking.
 
Also folks remember that the DA isnt willing to fight all the cases and is willing to drop cases that he can't fight against good lawyers. That's why rich folks get away with so much and poor folks don't. That skews conviction data. That goes all the way back to the arresting officer.
 
jankoid said:
You just described a terrorist group, I'm talking about a Civil War level conflict.
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And in the eyes of the government, the difference is - what?
 
benXJ said:
True.

But, you are assuming that the ENTIRE military would be willing to turn on its brothers/sisters/families.

If something REALLY happened that caused a legit large uprising from the general public, that was willing to die for its cause, then the gov't would have to dispatch people that were willing to kill and destroy people and places they know.
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Why would it take the ENTIRE military? It only takes a sufficient portion to carry out the order. I'm sure even if 25% refuse, the remaining 75% is good enough.

And there are PLENTY of examples from history of state military personnel being willing to carry out horrible things on their neighbors. All it takes is the right level of coercion and fear.

Now, do I really think this is a legitimate potential problem? Not really, but it's worth the academic discussion.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Why would it take the ENTIRE military? It only takes a sufficient portion to carry out the order. I'm sure even if 25% refuse, the remaining 75% is good enough.

And there are PLENTY of examples from history of state military personnel being willing to carry out horrible things on their neighbors. All it takes is the right level of coercion and fear.

Now, do I really think this is a legitimate potential problem? Not really, but it's worth the academic discussion.
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Well said, and i agree.
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Ron said:
I agree with Stretch and Snappy on the stupidity of lots of folks.
However I think the point Jeff is making is one that Ratlab has alluded to without outright stating it.

I think we all agree there are a bunch of dumbasses out there who don't know how to handle a gun.
I think we all agree they and all of us would be better if they were educated on how properly to use a gun.
It is not the governments ROLE to mandate people not be dumbassses. In fact allowing the government to dictate ownership eligibility contingent upon , well anything, is in fact a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Now if a PRIVATE company wants to mandate training before transaction, that is a different animal. Lets say, for example, Smith & Wesson says, there is a new S&W ownership course that teaches gun safety and responsible ownership. We refuse to sell a firearm to anyone who hasnt completed this course. I would wholly support that company and probably shift some of my purchases to them for that reason. But for a government entity to mandate it? Well that is just a slope towards infringement. Its one of the reasons a conservative congress was so adamant that when background checks were phased in there had to be a set maximum duration where by if it wasnt completed it defaulted to approved. Otherwise all background checks would strangely take 99 years...same thing here.
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This! I like this! Asking the government to fix stupid people is why huge portions of MY pay check goes to non working stupid people sitting on their ass. The government needs to back off. If you have to pay for it and beg for the government's permission then it's not much of a right.
 
refractory said:
The simple answer is No, you do not need to have a permit to purchase from a private party.
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You need a pistol purchase permit or concealed carry permit to purchase a handgun in NC even form an individual. You can not give someone a handgun without a permit either.

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299-a2a7-4ae5-99fd-9018262f64ac/NC-Firearms-gun-Laws.aspx

Under North Carolina law, it is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation to sell, give
away, transfer, purchase, or receive, at any place in the State, any pistol, unless the purchaser or
receiver has first obtained a license or permit to receive such a pistol by the sheriff of the county
where the purchaser or receiver resides, or the purchaser or receiver possesses a valid North
Carolina issued concealed carry permit. This requirement to obtain a permit prior to the transfer
of a pistol applies not only to a commercial transaction, typically at a sporting goods store, but
also between private individuals or companies throughout North Carolina. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-
402(a).
 
What if I let you borrow it? Serious question . If you borrow my pistol to shoot at a range day should you technically have a permit and usee document the transaction
 
Chuckman said:
as I read this I think of the two people that showed up for my CCW range time with calibers that didn't match their weapon. they were issued a refund and were asked to leave very politely.
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What does it mean to "match their weapon"? Probably a silly question.
 
I don't understand being against constitutional conceal carry. For instance, I currently own a hand gun. I applied for and received a hand gun permit. Now that I legally own said hand gun I can legally carry it in a holster strapped to my side. I can place it on the dash of my vehicle, which is retarded btw. But I can't put it in my pocket because I haven't had a class. I can't put it in in the glove box where it belongs. The logic behind this thought process is flawed.
 
peewee said:
I don't understand being against constitutional conceal carry. For instance, I currently own a hand gun. I applied for and received a hand gun permit. Now that I legally own said hand gun I can legally carry it in a holster strapped to my side. I can place it on the dash of my vehicle, which is retarded btw. But I can't put it in my pocket because I haven't had a class. I can't put it in in the glove box where it belongs. The logic behind this thought process is flawed.
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The ccw class teaches two main things. The laws regarding carrying concealed and application and use of the weapon in certain situations, and the instruction and qualification of using the weapon on a range.

Ignorance of the laws is no defense strategy should you have to use your weapon. The education on the pertinent laws regarding ccw is for the user's benefit. This is to help you.

Any and all law enforcement agency has to qualify with their weapon in order to carry it.

Why should getting a ccw permit be any different.


For two reasons, I think the ccw class should be easy.

1) the education portion should be easy as it is information that is pertinent and applicable to you, personally. Typically this should make it easy for you to learn. Again entirely for your benefit.

2) if you truly want to carry concealed regularly, you should be fluent with you weapon. This should make the qualification very very easy.

Both parts used together are an easy way for a ccw instructor to weed out any "bad apples", that in their opinion shouldn't receive a ccw class completion certificate through them.

If this happens to you, find another instructor, or find out what you did.

Again, the requirement of further education falls on you.


peewee said:
What does it mean to "match their weapon"? Probably a silly question.
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Meaning their weapon caliber did not match the ammunition they had?

In other words, they needed more education. If they cannot get the ammunition caliber correct for their own weapon, they are a safety risk for themselves and everyone there.

And yes, you can buy a rifle or shotgun without a permit. Neither of which are legally allowed or capable to carry concealed.


The ccw class is not hard to complete, and is not that expensive either.

If you can't afford to pay to take the class and get the permit, how the heck is someone going to buy a firearm and ammunition?

The are waiting periods for all sorts of things to deal with the government. I don't understand why everyone thinks that everything must be done this instant!!

A passport has a waiting period similar to the ccw permit.

Typically a couple weeks for your taxes to be processed.

I agreed completely that a little infringement is a slippery slope, but what's wrong with some compromise from both sides? This is what is wrong today.

I'm don't want every idiot having the ability to carry concealed without having any prior education or training on the subject. That is a safety risk.


Perhaps if more people took the burden to properly train themselves or even their children to properly use all tools, this may be a different conversation.
 
Wow so much response so little time
 
I understand all the possible positive aspects of a ccw class. I think a lot of people can benefit from the class but again I think the premise that this class isn't required to purchase a fire arm, not saying it should be, but is required once I put it in my pocket. These ignorant people we are all referring to already have the gun and can already carry it so... I think a ccw class is trying to fix a situation on the entirety wrong end of the situation. I understand being concerned with someone who doesn't know what caliber bullet their gun requires but that seems like the opportunity to really make us all safer by immediate education.
 
And I really don't understand the thought process of a concealed weapon in a vehicle. Sitting in the open on my dash is the wrong place for a fire arm ever. Laying in the passenger seat isn't a good place either. God forbid you put a valuable and potentially dangerous item in a controllable location like a center console or glove box.
 
Exactly I mean it's so much safer to have a firearm flying loosely around a vehicle than inside a controlled space.
 
couple things- yes these folk were putting 38 special ammo in a .380 auto close but no cigar

second- the class teaches you a couple things. as in yesterday, I was going into a bar to grab lunch with my wife. my 45 was in my laptop case. as it was hot and around a sketchy part of UNCG, I chose to carry my laptop bag into the bar. halfway from the truck to the bar, I went back and returned the 45 to the cab = can't have a weapon concealed and consume alcohol. secondly when we got back to truck, I chose to move the weapon to the rear of the truck. had been drinking and didn't want it anywhere near me, much less concealed in a bag. wife was driving btw. these were both potential felonys that I didn't feel like having to deal with. remember that gun ownership is a right, but ccw is a privilege. one must obey all laws or you are a criminal and will be made an example of.

it could read two ways- imagine how the liberal media would spin it.

1) druken local man carrys weapon into crowded local bar
2) legal CCW permit holder forgets his sidearm is in his bag, legally carrys into restaurant, has to drink pepsi with his burger.
 
I agree with you.
However NC court precedence does not.
Fight to change the law, dont break it because you dont agree with it. Or at least know that if you do the punishment will suck and dont cry when it happens.
 
No breaking laws here. And changing laws is what we're doing here small stuff leading to bigger stuff. The first step is deciding there is a need for change and that we're not alone in that belief. Now we can get to the next question. What to do about it?
 
If it was about 'education', then why not a class/fee when applying for a $5 handgun permit? Why would you need education on how to 'carry'? Shooting the gun is what kills people, not carrying it. Why does it matter if the gun is in my pocket or on my hip? You don't need a class to buy a long gun, that will do 10 times more damage, and quicker.

NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE.

Do we really allow these idiots that we elect to barge into every single move we make? How did it come to this?
 
benXJ said:
Do we really allow these idiots that we elect to barge into every single move we make? How did it come to this?
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License to drive
license to marry
license to fish
license to hunt
license to business
license carry a weapon now gets questioned..

Permit to build
permit to burn

I am sure there are many, many more that I can't think or don't know about.

The gooberment has regulated every aspect of our lives.

I am waiting for the License to use the toilet then a tax on said license.


To think, the founders of this country went to war over 2% tax on fucking tea...
 
Jeff B said:
License to drive
license to marry
license to fish
license to hunt
license to business
license carry a weapon now gets questioned..

Permit to build
permit to burn

I am sure there are many, many more that I can't think or don't know about.

The gooberment has regulated every aspect of our lives.

I am waiting for the License to use the toilet then a tax on said license.


To think, the founders of this country went to war over 2% tax on fucking tea...
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It all became necessary because of the idiots that refused to do the aforementioned safely. You need a license to marry to make sure that Billy Bob wasn't marrying his sister Bobby Sue. You need a license to fish because there needs to be a limit on what one person can pull out of a lake before the lake is fishless. License to hunt because Billy Bob kept shooting his sister Bobby Sue when he was aiming through his beer-goggles. Business licenses keep Billy Bob from selling skanky deer meat popsicles to Bobby Sue. Billy Bob needs a permit to build his trailer park in the sky because 2x4's made of balsa wood won't hold the trailer in the tree. He then needs a permit to burn the trailer and balsa 2x4's. Do you think we need to give Billy Bob a gun without asking for a permit? Maybe we should give one to Bobby Sue to keep Billy Bob from hitting on her.

And no..... I don't believe that everything needs to have a permit, tax and bureaucratic application paperwork to get done, but someone needs to protect Billy Bob from himself. There are WAY too many Billy Bobs. Don't believe me, spend an hour or two on YouTube.
 
ManglerYJ said:
It all became necessary because of the idiots that refused to do the aforementioned safely. You need a license to marry to make sure that Billy Bob wasn't marrying his sister Bobby Sue. You need a license to fish because there needs to be a limit on what one person can pull out of a lake before the lake is fishless. License to hunt because Billy Bob kept shooting his sister Bobby Sue when he was aiming through his beer-goggles. Business licenses keep Billy Bob from selling skanky deer meat popsicles to Bobby Sue. Billy Bob needs a permit to build his trailer park in the sky because 2x4's made of balsa wood won't hold the trailer in the tree. He then needs a permit to burn the trailer and balsa 2x4's. Do you think we need to give Billy Bob a gun without asking for a permit? Maybe we should give one to Bobby Sue to keep Billy Bob from hitting on her.

And no..... I don't believe that everything needs to have a permit, tax and bureaucratic application paperwork to get done, but someone needs to protect Billy Bob from himself. There are WAY too many Billy Bobs. Don't believe me, spend an hour or two on YouTube.
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I am sure that Billybob feels the same about you.

My point is that everything in our lives is touched by the government. We need to get the government out of our lives..
 
Jeff B said:
I am waiting for the License to use the toilet then a tax on said license.
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You do, it's in the municipal taxes that cover sewage and water treatment.
Or if you have septic, the waste disposal fees that the shit truck gets hit with and passes on to you when you have it emptied
 
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