Inground lift

I’ve done one brownfield in Raleigh and am working on a former gas/service station plot in DC. Shit ain’t cheap!

buuuuut if he’s not planning on selling any time soon then.... 🤷‍♂️
 
Jody Treadway said:
@marty79 did you buy the property or are you renting it?
I've been through leaking underground oil tanks on both personal and business sides. It's nothing to sneeze at.
@rockcity is really trying to help you here.
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Right. We all give each other a hard time but in all reality, many of us have experienced a lot and pass along our experiences to each other. This is no different. Point is, don’t assume it’s “all good” because many times with contaminated property, it’s not and any owner is going to jump at any opportunity to pass off the liability to someone else give the chance. I don’t know the property or the situation. But I do know those in ground lifts have a history of leaking and causing problems for owners that have bankrupt many people. I have been in environmental remediation construction for quite a few years and have seen how costly remediation can be. It’s nothing to take lightly and any property that has old tanks on it really need to be fully investigated before purchasing. Unless you don’t care or have more $ than Jeff Bezos, then have at it and do whatever you want.
 
Jody Treadway said:
@marty79 did you buy the property or are you renting it?
I've been through leaking underground oil tanks on both personal and business sides. It's nothing to sneeze at.
@rockcity is really trying to help you here.
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I didn't buy it, a business investor/partner did. After planning out my shop layout the lift will not be even used in order for me to have that bay 3 deep so not worried about it. Soon down the road will be getting a couple lifts anyways after the CNC is bought and in production
 
rockcity said:
Unless you don’t care or have more $ than Jeff Bezos, then have at it and do whatever you want.
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Well hes loaded and told me he done his "research " and got it all taken care of with city and such so I'm just going by what I was told. Hes the money of this operation and I'm the one running the show/working it. I made him aware of what you guys are telling me and he says nothing to worry about...fine with me lol
 
marty79 said:
Well hes loaded and told me he done his "research " and got it all taken care of with city and such so I'm just going by what I was told. Hes the money of this operation and I'm the one running the show/working it. I made him aware of what you guys are telling me and he says nothing to worry about...fine with me lol
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As a FYI the city has zero say in groundwater contamination from storage tanks if it’s crossed over to other adjacent property.
 
rockcity said:
As a FYI the city has zero say in groundwater contamination from storage tanks if it’s crossed over to other adjacent property.
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There have been several trucks out in last 2 weeks of some environmental something...but they took the last sample apparently of the old gas tanks cause 2 days ago they permanently sealed the tops with concrete??..so according to my business partner they're done with taking samples and ground "contamination" has subsided enough to not need testing anymore. Property has been out of comission for almost 18yrs also so that might be reason for that, idk
 
marty79 said:
There have been several trucks out in last 2 weeks of some environmental something...but they took the last sample apparently of the old gas tanks cause 2 days ago they permanently sealed the tops with concrete??..so according to my business partner they're done with taking samples and ground "contamination" has subsided enough to not need testing anymore. Property has been out of comission for almost 18yrs also so that might be reason for that, idk
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sounds like there are known issues or at least known past issues. I’d be dang sure to be in the know about what’s going on with that to limit any risk with this and being partnered with someone and your efforts and hard work put in jeopardy.
 
rockcity said:
sounds like there are known issues or at least known past issues. I’d be dang sure to be in the know about what’s going on with that to limit any risk with this and being partnered with someone and your efforts and hard work put in jeopardy.
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My understanding is last 18yrs they been taking samples of soil on this property and adjacent, deemed well water not recommended so made 4houses including ours switch to city, and house with shop was able to sell cause it was approved by someone with authority over all that, that's how it legally was able to be sold. And 2 days ago apparently that was final sample, sealed off all 3 tank covers with concrete and to my knowledge of what I was told, it's all done and complete for anything regarding ground/soil/tanks issues.
 
rockcity said:
or at least known past issues.
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Its cause anytime gas tanks are left in the ground, that land and nearby becomes "unsafe" (at least according to epa) to drink from well and must switch or go stupid deep on the well.
 
I'm curious about this because we recently looked into buying a commercial property that had been flagged as potentially having contaminated soil.
Did your partner/investor recently purchase the property or have they owned for some time? We weren't able to get a loan on our property unless there was an extensive environmental study (Phase 2 IIRC) performed. The bank didn't want to loan on a property that would potentially have a cleanup cost higher than the property was worth.
I would encourage you NOT to be financially tied to the property unless the NC DENR says it's all bueno. Renting space essentially separates you from cleanup costs as long as you don't make it worse. Ownership however, changes that liability.
Food for thought.
 
18years is nothing, I worked for a company in Charlotte that used to wash their Injection molds down outside with Acetone, got busted by the EPA, huge fines and they still come back every 5 years or so to test the soil. This all happened before I started working for them back in 1994. They are still testing the soil.
 
Jody Treadway said:
I'm curious about this because we recently looked into buying a commercial property that had been flagged as potentially having contaminated soil.
Did your partner/investor recently purchase the property or have they owned for some time? We weren't able to get a loan on our property unless there was an extensive environmental study (Phase 2 IIRC) performed. The bank didn't want to loan on a property that would potentially have a cleanup cost higher than the property was worth.
I would encourage you NOT to be financially tied to the property unless the NC DENR says it's all bueno. Renting space essentially separates you from cleanup costs as long as you don't make it worse. Ownership however, changes that liability.
Food for thought.
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He bought it cash so no loan lol. I'm only renting the house with the shop so he's the owner of the property but i will be the owner/operator of the business. I know he went through quite a bit of paperwork and such dealing with the soil people?(EPA? guys) for couple weeks before he bought it and he's been buying property/real estate for half his life (why he's loaded lol) so I guess he knows what he's doing/got involved with. I do know my new neighbors are building a new house behind us probably 1500ft ish and they said they had to get special paperwork done too to get approved for their construction loan but they got it and are on their way with the building.
 
So did you try and pick up a truck on this lift yet or not? No way I'd work underneath that thing but I might use it to pick a truck up and set it on some tall tri stands.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Is your partner an engineer or something?
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Nope
braxton357 said:
So did you try and pick up a truck on this lift yet or not? No way I'd work underneath that thing but I might use it to pick a truck up and set it on some tall tri stands.
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No, if I use it, it will be for brakes or something but I ain't getting under it either lol. I guess my mountaineer can be the test dummy before I start building it soon lol
 
marty79 said:
All adjacent properties were already forced to switch to city water, as mentioned it's all been taken care of
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You're not getting it.

A dirt burner, excavator, and 500 hours of ground reconditioning billed to the owner because leaching, is the least of the problems even with a few gallons of oil spill.
If its reached groundwater, a creek or endangered salamanders you mind as well have abused a transgender Navajo Indian on CNN live
 
So, serious question (and possibly getting this thread back into the ream of "useful")

Is this a thing with all in-ground lifts? Or just old ones? Like is it just a bad idea to buy one in a residential setting?

I was seriously considering getting one for my garage once built. Have a friend with one in his home garage and it's the bee's knees. I haven't done a tone of research yet aside from getting a feel for the price range and pro/con vs a standard 2 post.
 
RatLabGuy said:
So, serious question (and possibly getting this thread back into the ream of "useful")

Is this a thing with all in-ground lifts? Or just old ones? Like is it just a bad idea to buy one in a residential setting?

I was seriously considering getting one for my garage once built. Have a friend with one in his home garage and it's the bee's knees. I haven't done a tone of research yet aside from getting a feel for the price range and pro/con vs a standard 2 post.
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Pretty sure you won't see any new in ground lifts. Between environment issues and the relative low cost of a twin post, they don't make sense.
 
Client of mine used to run a reclaimed soil business when they were digging up all the service stations. He always said he'd be back in the swing again in 20 years, when the government changes the rules, and they will. If 100ppm is acceptable now, it might be a 50ppm limit in the future, or 10ppm after that, etc. You are never completely free and clear of oil or other contaminants in the ground.
 
CasterTroy said:
You're not getting it
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i think the issue is you're not getting it..it's not my property nor is it my concern really. This guy bought it knowing all this but he's not concerned therefor I'm not concerned. Besides I think you are taking this inground lift thing way to seriously (not surprised). I hardly ever live life by "worst case scenario",..have some faith it'll all work out. I have no financial ties to the property, just "renting" the remodeled house next to the shop that's part of the 2 acre lot. If the guy says it's all good, than it's all good. He's been a very successful business guy buying and investing in property for like 30yrs so he know what he's doing and I'm pretty sure he made sure he wouldn't have spent the money to buy this place if he didn't have the confidence and peace of mind that it's "taken care of."
RatLabGuy said:
feel for the price range and pro/con vs a standard 2 post.
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I'm with you, they cost more but depending on what you do with it, I like them much better. I hate 2 post lifts!! Stupid arms in the way, always banging your head on them, can't ever open doors and just take up room... having that said they allow for transmission/transfer case work/removal +1. In ground lifts I love minus no access to transmission and t-case removal but for Fab work/axle swaps/lift kits/bumpers they are way better and they do sell new ones that down the road I will look into getting in the back 6 bays that will be strictly fab work for that purpose (at least that's my current plan/thought).
 
StretchASU said:
This thread has gone exactly as I expected.
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I've just answered questions that were asked according to the answers that I know to give. Not my fault that my answers aren't sufficient enough for other people to understand or accept.
 
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