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I hope they didn't sacrifice longevity for power. Maybe I will own a 2019 truck in 10+ years when they become affordable.
 
Seriously though, has anybody in this thread driven a 6.7L Ford or Aisin-equipped Ram? It sounds like no...?

Hitch up 18k pounds and set the cruise at 70. The truck takes care of the rest. If I have a complaint, it's that they're boring to drive.
 
shawn said:
I'm betting none are grossing 26k...
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You'd be surprised, and if we're being honest here...not very many guys below 1000 ft/lbs are doing it either. The dudes that 'get chips' and turn it up to 11 to see how much coal they can roll, you're right...but they're the diesel equivalent of 'I want the biggest cam and carb I can find'. There are some guys out there that actually do know what they're doing though.
 
shawn said:
Seriously though, has anybody in this thread driven a 6.7L Ford or Aisin-equipped Ram? It sounds like no...?

Hitch up 18k pounds and set the cruise at 70. The truck takes care of the rest. If I have a complaint, it's that they're boring to drive.
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Agreed

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UTfball68 said:
Agreed

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Now do it with a big tractor.

UTfball68 said:
if we're being honest here...not very many guys below 1000 ft/lbs are doing it either.
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There are several in this thread. I also know that the NV5600 and G56 don't live long lives with that kind of weight and that kind of power.

GONOVRIT said:
I’ve always been under the impression that had a part in why these later model ram manual trucks were tuned down.
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Oh, it's a fact. Back in the day, you had to get the manual trans if you wanted the "HO" truck. Now it only comes behind an auto, and the manual is detuned.
 
BigSouth said:
I think I’d enjoy a conversation with you about this. My control of my gas pedal is what removes the reaction part. Knowing my truck and when it shifts determines my throttle to avoid unnecessary shifts.
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This is true, but it sounds like you are compensating and anticipating instead of just driving. Do you ever use manual mode? If so, why?

UTfball68 said:
I figure it'll be any time now, similar to the hp battles on the late 60's-early 70's. The battle will either be regulated out, or you'll have guys like me with a 2017 cummins wondering how much more I actually need. I know, I know...the answer is 'all of it'...but we'll hit the equilibrium of soccer moms and dudes hauling 4x6' trailers that won't want to pay the 1000 ft/lb price tag.



Amen...I've yet to find anything I can do with a manual, that I can't do with an auto...
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I can. Let the clutch release and not be driving a slushbox with hydrostatic losses. :D
 
GONOVRIT said:
@UTfball68 NV4500/5600’s are well known to be incapable of handling high hp/tq no matter who built them, including NV. I’ve always been under the impression that had a part in why these later model ram manual trucks were tuned down.
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Like I said, there are inherent factory weaknesses. I don't typically buy in to the 'doesn't matter who built it' justification...our race shop is making a name for itself on 'stuff that can't be done' and quieting internet folklore. It doesn't always make it financially prudent, but to say something is incapable, meh.
shawn said:
Now do it with a big tractor.
There are several in this thread. I also know that the NV5600 and G56 don't live long lives with that kind of weight and that kind of power.
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That's just a quick shot of one of the tractors up at the property this weekend. And who the hell is towing 26k daily??? Hauling heavy equipment from job to job?
 
UTfball68 said:
our race shop is making a name for itself on 'stuff that can't be done'
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Like getting the same kind of power out of a 50yo pushrod Ford that an LS truck motor makes the day it rolls off the assembly line? :flipoff2:
 
GONOVRIT said:
@UTfball68 NV4500/5600’s are well known to be incapable of handling high hp/tq no matter who built them, including NV. I’ve always been under the impression that had a part in why these later model ram manual trucks were tuned down.
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It is not the manual trans that cannot be made to hold the power. It is the dual mass flywheel and clutch that cannot hold the power.
 
shawn said:
Like getting the same kind of power out of a 50yo pushrod Ford that an LS truck motor makes the day it rolls off the assembly line? :flipoff2:
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Hurtful...but that's where we start at. For the guys that aren't cheap f*ckers we can open that up to things like a 632ci daily driven 1200hp/1000tq, or a 2.5hp:1ci N/A inline 6, or streetable 600hp out of stock iron 335 series 2v heads, etc etc. Dumb shit, but shit people say can't be done.
 
jeepinmatt said:
This is true, but it sounds like you are compensating and anticipating instead of just driving. Do you ever use manual mode? If so, why?
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What you’re calling compensating, I call driving. Watching for peaks and letting the truck lose a little speed to prevent that downshift or seeing a long uphill pull and picking up speed in advance. I don’t see how that would be any different with a manual. As for using manual mode, nope, never had too. I only use tow/haul mode around town when I’m stopping and starting a full load frequently.
 
BigSouth said:
What you’re calling compensating, I call driving. Watching for peaks and letting the truck lose a little speed to prevent that downshift or seeing a long uphill pull and picking up speed in advance. I don’t see how that would be any different with a manual. As for using manual mode, nope, never had too. I only use tow/haul mode around town when I’m stopping and starting a full load frequently.
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But what you're calling driving, you also call "unnecessary shifts"
BigSouth said:
I think I’d enjoy a conversation with you about this. My control of my gas pedal is what removes the reaction part. Knowing my truck and when it shifts determines my throttle to avoid unnecessary shifts.
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:confused:
 
jeepinmatt said:
But what you're calling driving, you also call "unnecessary shifts"
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So the guy with a manual says “I pick a gear and roll” because he knows what gear it needs.I simply tailor my throttle to avoid the gear change and I’m wrong? :confused: We both make it to the top of the hill without shifting.
 
tsconver said:
It is not the manual trans that cannot be made to hold the power. It is the dual mass flywheel and clutch that cannot hold the power.
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So all these manual guys have to do is simply upgrade their clutch and they’re ready for some real WOOPOWS!!!;):lol:

I know, I know....
 
GONOVRIT said:
So all these manual guys have to do is simply upgrade their clutch and they’re ready for some real WOOPOWS!!!;):lol:

I know, I know....
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The dual mass just sucks it is designed for soccer moms. Guys over on cumminsforum running 900 ponies with southbend triple disk clutches.
 
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