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My old 6.0/4L80E works pretty good. I pull it down in 3rd if I see a good hill coming or going thru a rolling section. If it’s a big long hill I end up in 2nd gear still doing 55.

Only a few grand in the old truck and I’ll be there about the same time as the 1000lb torque trucks, with a little more money in my pocket :D
 
If we were comparing a 90s era diesel (or even gas) truck with an auto to the same truck with a manual, I might buy in to the manual is better argument. However, as electronics are getting better, torque converter design is improving drastically, and they're adding more forward gears, the arguement about drive train power loss or being in the right gear is kind of a moot point.

1000 tq and an 8 speed automatic is going to be pretty sweet. I feel like a lot of people's arguements about not liking automatics comes from when a 4 speed was all that existed.

With all that said....I've got a Duramax with a 5 speed Allison and a Cummins powered truck with an NV4500. I like them both, but for different reasons.
 
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It's pretty hard to roll start an electronically controlled diesel period...
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I honestly didn’t know that. Makes sense.

I guess I was thinking of all the times I did it with my beater Honda’s.

But I will probably never be able to afford a fancy electronic diesel anyway.

But ....if I fell over some $$, I’d still buy a manual one. Just my preference.
 
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Croatan_Kid said:
If we were comparing a 90s era diesel (or even gas) truck with an auto to the same truck with a manual, I might buy in to the manual is better argument. However, as electronics are getting better, torque converter design is improving drastically, and they're adding more forward gears, the arguement about drive train power loss or being in the right gear is kind of a moot point.

1000 tq and an 8 speed automatic is going to be pretty sweet. I feel like a lot of people's arguements about not liking automatics comes from when a 4 speed was all that existed.

With all that said....I've got a Duramax with a 5 speed Allison and a Cummins powered truck with an NV4500. I like them both, but for different reasons.
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8spd is only for the gas:
Transmissions are six-speeds for the diesels, with an Aisin AS69RC bolted to the high output motor and a Chrysler 68RFE backing up the standard mill. The gas engine is mated to the eight-speed TorqueFlite 8HP75 used in other Fiat Chrysler products.
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but that really doesnt change your argument. 4spds suck.
 
I just read somewhere this morning that the 1000 ft/lbs is an optional engine only offered in the 3500’s. 2500 truck only has 850 ft/lbs Hopefully they’ll start offering it in all of them by the time I decide to replace my 24v/nv4500 dinosaur.
 
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I just read somewhere this morning that the 1000 ft/lbs is an optional engine only offered in the 3500’s. 2500 truck only has 850 ft/lbs Hopefully they’ll start offering it in all of them by the time I decide to replace my 24v/nv4500 dinosaur.
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Only available as part of the max tow packages with the Aisin neither of which are available in a 2500.
 
tsconver said:
Only available as part of the max tow packages with the Aisin neither of which are available in a 2500.
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Yup. That's been the case.

The "max towing" thing gives you a towing capacity of over 30k. Try that with a 2500, and you run out of rear suspension and tire capacity.
 
BigSouth said:
I disagree. REAL trucks only have 2 pedals and only big egos think they’re smarter than an automatic. It’s the same with sports cars. Driving stick might be more fun, but definitely not better.
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Show me your multi-hundred thousand mile truck with the original auto that tows daily. An auto in a 2500/3500 truck is a consumable just like brake pads (and clutches). But for a grand the clutch can be replaced, upgraded and driven properly last 200k +.
 
GONOVRIT said:
Drive with 1000 ftbs of tq reliably? I know you don’t make that or “need” it but I’d still own my old ram if it wasn’t eating manual transmissions due to tq.
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Funny the guy who bought it has had ZERO issues with it and has racked a shit ton of miles on it. The manual will last a long time if you drive it like a truck and not a sports car, just saying.
 
BIGWOODY said:
Show me your multi-hundred thousand mile truck with the original auto that tows daily. An auto in a 2500/3500 truck is a consumable just like brake pads (and clutches). But for a grand the clutch can be replaced, upgraded and driven properly last 200k +.
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We've got two ford diesels here at work that tow 12-15k daily.
325k and 280k both are on their original auto trans.
One is still on its original 6.0, factory heads, 100% factory intact. Did repalce an EGR and cooler at 220k.
The other , while its on its factory trans is on its 3rd :eek: 6.4
 
BIGWOODY said:
Funny the guy who bought it has had ZERO issues with it and has racked a shit ton of miles on it. The manual will last a long time if you drive it like a truck and not a sports car, just saying.
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I agree but, I sold it with around 200 hp less than what it was making when I was driving it(like a sports car:D) and it had a new trans and a new very comfortable southbend clutch. I hope it goes forever for the guy. I miss rowing gears with that power often.
 
BIGWOODY said:
Show me your multi-hundred thousand mile truck with the original auto that tows daily. An auto in a 2500/3500 truck is a consumable just like brake pads (and clutches). But for a grand the clutch can be replaced, upgraded and driven properly last 200k +.
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Autos are primarily what I use for the landscaping business. Most days had/have 10-15k behind them for at least 50 miles. These are the higher mile trucks when I got rid of them, all in the 250-300k range.

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UTfball68 said:
Most days had/have 10-15k behind them for at least 50 miles.
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On a single axle trailer? Whoa. That pile of sticks must be 15ft tall by the time you hit 10k#.

Weren't you just posting photos talking about how towing a 5k tractor was "towing heavy"?
 
shawn said:
On a single axle trailer? Whoa. That pile of sticks must be 15ft tall by the time you hit 10k#.

Weren't you just posting photos talking about how towing a 5k tractor was "towing heavy"?
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You've got some badass single axle trailers....
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You guys do realize I have about a half dozen 20' enclosed trailers (3-4000lbs-ish), each having one/two zero turns (3000lbs-ish) and the equipment to fully landscape a yard (2000lbs-ish)...plus any specialty equipment, concrete, mulch, stone, etc. I have a crew of 5-15 guys that hook up to one of these trailers with their own truck or one of my company provided trucks and go out and work for me daily. My apologies, I didn't realize I had to write out my business plan for you guys to believe an auto transmission could handle towing. I'll be sure to start crossing scales with fully documented pics, just for NC4x4 in the future.

And no Shawn, I was agreeing with your statement that folks hadn't experienced what you said, nowhere did I say the tractor on my trailer was heavy.
 
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I'm still waiting for the dyno slip for your 750hp na 300 i6.....
 
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