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johnski said:
I've known broncomania to be an honest, laid back, and overall stand-up guy. If he says there's an issue, he for sure is not bs-ing about it or trying to be an attention whore. I believe what he says to be the truth, period. I now understand why he's had to put so much time into his rig since the big stuff was supposedly "finished."
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I've been wheeling with Mike for years. I've NEVER known him to cut a corner where quality is concerned. EVER. I can state with absolute certainty that there is no way in hell he would ever agree to HREW tubing, much less .095 wall HREW. I was wheeling with Mike at Tellico the day that air shock hoop tore off. When we got back to the cabin I looked at the damaged tube and told him that is was .095 wall HREW, and not the .120 wall DOM that he believed it to be. Even then he didn't want to believe me. Mike tried to give Studnuts the benefit of the doubt for a long time, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he had clearly been ripped off. As for the other shoddy work, well, that just speaks for itself. Zerks that you can't grease, piss poor pinion angles, trac bar angle way the hell off. If it were cobbled together in someones driveway I would say it was an okay effort that needed some more work, but it isn't. It supposedly came from an "off road specialist". Looks to me like the only thing Studnuts specializes in is bullshit.
 
I dont know what you want or what your trying to prove or maybe just justify little man syndrome who knows. You have called in the past, I sent you parts. You claim to have called, but oh well - ill pull phone records if I have to. If you would have called with a complaint I would have made it right. You knew damn well about the tubing as I discussed it with you thoroughly not just once and you were ok with it, and dont you think its odd I didnt charge you dom price(if not why didnt you question it when you picked it up.....or when you kept popping in to check on it???) - or maybe you just have attention problems cause this whole thread is just lies and your friends backing them. I have 2 witnesses that were there BOTH times you came up there to check on your bronco. I can get both guys to create accounts here and attest for it if you like but I dont feel the need to argue your bastardised statements. Also, the same 2 guys were there when I discussed with you about the front axle c's that I wasnt going to do. In that same conversation we had about the Cs being welded on crooked, is this not ring a bell?

Oh well, Im done on here. If you feel the need to post more keyboard steroid posts little tough guy go ahead cause you dont hurt my feelings. Everyone that stands a defense against you belittle - that shows something on your character. But im sure a few of your wheelin buds will chime in and clear it up for you. If you want to come to my shop to discuss it, Ill have sandwiches and coolaid made for you. That is all, I will not repost to this thread so concoct some more jibberish.
 
Its not even worth it. The inner circle will just gang up and say they are fake so screw it. Im done with this thread.
 
i dont have a receipt. and im not trying to get anything for free. im just sick of fixing shit . i dont wheel that hard on the gas pedal. when i picked it up it looked good and thats all i knew about then. if i knew anything then i would have built it myself . everyone i wheel with is always pointing out the crap hack job. im complaining about the work i paid for . studnuts you and your buddies need to quit saying whos more manly or little man syndrome or you WILL FIND OUT the hard way . get your phone records out i want you to. buyt im sure you wont post all of them. fuck it im gonna call you right now.
 
i just left you a message cause you didnt answer the phone.
 
the reason i popped in to check on it was because you told me in a pm about the progress and when you sent me pics a week later i noticed there was stuff in the pics that you said you already did but didnt do. and you told me you were working on it so i popped in and you were putting a lift kit on a jeep. that was no problem with me the problem was you told me a lie. just like now. this little man just called you and you didnt answer the phone. the message i left was hey jon this is mike im calling to talk to you no cussing or name calling if you wanna talk call me back ok have a good one. thats what i just left on your answering machine.
 
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Without any proof from either side, this is nothing but a he said he said argument. Someone needs to show proof or this needs to go to court.
 
encwheeler said:
Without any proof from either side, this is nothing but a he said he said argument. Someone needs to show proof or this needs to go to court.
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no court needed. im not looking for anything in return. i would never try to take him to court for this. that would be stupid. im not real mad about the herew. im more mad that i really called him and told him who i was and he wouldnt even call back. this was several times. i wanted to talk with him about it. everyone keeps saying post it up but i wanted to let it go.then i seen studnuts over on pirate thrashing someone about their work and customer service and i decided to post some of his own shit work. ik not telling anyone not to go to his shop. im simply posting pics of his work i think they speak for them selves. he keeps defending himself on the front pinion angle but has nothing to say about the rear pinion angle.

im done here to. i just hope that studnuts calls me back this time and maybe he will try to be professional on the phone. im not gonna be run over and talked to like a piece a shit though.
 
WOW.
 
Mike, I think I've just figured out something about Studnuts. You can call me slow for having it take this long for me to figure out, but thats okay. He seems to be big on talking about what he's going to do, but short on actually doing any of it. He said that he's going to scan in the original estimate and post it up...FAIL. Of course he only claimed he'd do that six pages ago, maybe he just hasn't had quite enough time to finish the job. Check back with him in three weeks, maybe he'll have it done then. He'll also be posting phone records...just don't hold your breath waiting on them.
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Without any proof from either side, this is nothing but a he said he said argument. Someone needs to show proof or this needs to go to court.
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You are partially correct. There are a ton of he said/she said type arguments here. Several of us are pretty confident that we know the truth, but ultimately we weren't there, so we really don't know for a solid fact what was said and what wasn't. But having said that, did you even look at the pics on the first page? Arguements about DOM size and weld on C's aside, do you really think that Mike asked for his exo cage to not allow the hood to open? Do you think he asked to not be able to access his zerk fittings? There are multiple examples of just piss poor engineering going on here.
Let me lay this out for you in really simple terms. Mike was the customer. Studnuts was the supposed off road fabrication specialist. Yes there are features of a cage that can be added or deleted, and you can build it out of different materials. But even a fool knows that the material used will largely dictate what the cage ultimately looks like. There is a place for .095 tubing in a buggy, but it's not in the main supports. If .095 tubing is used it requires more bracing than a heavier tubing would. That shock hoop never would have torn out if the "specialist" had just put a cross brace in between the hoops. It is NOT the customers place to have to design the cage. That is the "specialists" job. Even if we stipulate that Mike agreed to a .095 wall HREW cage, Studnuts still screwed him over with the piss poor design.
 
Im just going to make a few points I keep saying im done but I want clarity:

I am not denying anything except attempting to distinguish what I did and DID NOT DO. If something broke I did, then fine I can man up shit happens when its wheeled. I have repaired alot of other shops work on the trail, crap happens its expected in 4 wheeling. I am also very good about correcting issues that need it if I would have known about it. I will argue on points again I DID NOT DO and want the web mafia clear of those.

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I can state with absolute certainty that there is no way in hell he would ever agree to HREW tubing, much less .095 wall HREW.
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How can you be certain if you WERE NOT THERE????? you need his dick out of your ass cause him and I had the discussion before I touched his rig. I discuss every rig I build and the material list whether the customer pays attention or not.
If a rear tube broke off, i did the tube work and will stake claim. Find me a tube chassis or truggy that is wheeled as rough as he claims to have wheeled it and NOT break a damn thing or dent a piece of tube, especially break it and complain a fawken YEAR LATER. I do turn the grease zerks up into the bracket to protect them, for the web fab'rs ill put them down next time to get torn off.

Your little dinky heims are CroMO, and are also upper links which do not see as much load as lowers......Question.....Have one of them broken?????? NO...or at least you havent said so. They may only be a 3/4-5/8 heim, BUT HAS IT BROKEN......again NO. So you bent this crossmember....and didnt break a 'little baby' heim???????
http://www.blackoutautosports.com/projects/bronco/img/100_1261.jpg

Now for the pic reference on page1 of said bent crossmember, for the web fab'rs or johnski, please explain from the closeup pic of page1 of the above crossmember how it speaks for itself????

Another note, you mention your lower non adjustable bars.... Why the fawk do you need lower rear adjustables if the uppers are adjustable for pinion angle????? Are you going to stretch the wheelbase...what a whopping 1"???????????????
For the web fabricators, please explain how you can tell the alignment of that track bar and drag link with no pic of the FRAME AND AXLE mount in the same view???????????? If you can tell that from a pic of my frame mount your a fawkn magician and should have your own infomercial.

As far as contacting me. I have attached an invoice from March 3 of this year for your shock parts I sent you. Do you remember talking to me then? Do you also remember sending me 3 PMs on this very board????? Do you remember you sending me a PM with your address? Did you even mention anything was wrong? *****NO*****. Am I a mind reader here or just forget? I have not heard from you after that. Did you leave me messages, NO. Are there alternate means of communication, YES, cause somehow you got ahold of me for that shock rebuild.

Is NC4x4 PRIVATE MESSAGING BROKEN....NO.
APPEARANTLY NC4X4 ISNT BROKEN....
IS THE CONTACT PAGE ON MY WEBSITE BROKEN....NO
IS THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN MY NC4X4 PROFILE INVALID....NO
So your excuse for not contacting me is as full of BS is you.

As far as you having problems BEFORE MARCH 3 2008.....When I talked to you about the shock seals, DID YOU MENTION THAT ANYTHING WAS WRONG........NO. So when the fawk did you try and contact me when I had interactions with you 3 months ago??????????????????? Or are your last 6 pages of ranting saying you have not talked to me are malicious tales of fairy??????? So that leads me to think nothing had been wrong and if it took you a year later to break something, then thats not too bad.
And I did just work on your friends jeep??? I also asked him how you were doing. He said nothing of the fact except for Yes he did say the hoop broke off and you broke a lower shock head...I had that conversation with him. That was it. Nothing that you were trying to contact me, nothing that you were upset and/or leading to go postal on me on nc4x4.
Next point. This build was over a YEAR AGO. If you had trouble, why is this the FIRST time I am hearing about it???????????????????

You mean to tell me that it took you a YEAR to figure out that the rear pinion angle is off??????????
It took you a year to figure out your front pinion angle was off????????
It took you a year to break that rear tube hoop???????????
It took you a year of wheeling your bronco to figure out your zerks were facing upward??????????????????????????
Sounds like someone needs an instruction booklet on their next rig.

he will try to be professional on the phone. im not gonna be run over and talked to like a piece a shit though.
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Have you not proof read your posts????????? You have some sort of profanity in every post in huge letters.... Thats real deserving of return respect and professionalism. Im normally the quick hot head that retorts to caps cuss words but it only makes your self look bad and you will get no professionalism or respect talking to me like that. I did get your message and I was extremely busy today and I will try to return your call in a timely manner.

Jon
 

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Roughshod said:
You are partially correct. There are a ton of he said/she said type arguments here. Several of us are pretty confident that we know the truth, but ultimately we weren't there, so we really don't know for a solid fact what was said and what wasn't. But having said that, did you even look at the pics on the first page? Arguements about DOM size and weld on C's aside, do you really think that Mike asked for his exo cage to not allow the hood to open? Do you think he asked to not be able to access his zerk fittings? There are multiple examples of just piss poor engineering going on here.
Let me lay this out for you in really simple terms. Mike was the customer. Studnuts was the supposed off road fabrication specialist. Yes there are features of a cage that can be added or deleted, and you can build it out of different materials. But even a fool knows that the material used will largely dictate what the cage ultimately looks like. There is a place for .095 tubing in a buggy, but it's not in the main supports. If .095 tubing is used it requires more bracing than a heavier tubing would. That shock hoop never would have torn out if the "specialist" had just put a cross brace in between the hoops. It is NOT the customers place to have to design the cage. That is the "specialists" job. Even if we stipulate that Mike agreed to a .095 wall HREW cage, Studnuts still screwed him over with the piss poor design.
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You really hit on the head there. He hasn't told us why he did that all.

Also, he didn't have anyone post up comments for him. I just happened to see the work and how crappy it was and wanted to add that I had seen it.
 
studnuts: every question in your last post has already been answered by me from pages 1 - 7 . i even said that you did send me a free seal kit. ive already explained more than once why its been a year ago and im just now posting any of this. and the grease fittings could have been turned half an inch forward so you can get a grease gun on them and they would still be out of harms way. i simply said i want us to be professional on the phone and talk normally i didnt mention that either one of us has or hasnt on the forum. we both have said a few choice words on here. and i thought we both said that we were done here ? so why are you talking nasty about someones d**k in someones a*s ???? thats just gonna escalade trouble. i had called you several times in the past, left messages with my name and my nc4x4 screen name and sent pm's and you did not call or reply back . way later i tried contacting you about 5 times for the seals and you did talk to me and send me a set. no i did not mention anything to you about any of your work at that time. i did not because i was gonna just let it go . ive been told over and over to post this and was not going to. i decided to post this because i recently seen you bashing someones work and customer service on pirate and when i seen it i decided you needed a taste of your own medicine. ive stated my side and you have stated yours. we both have our own clarity now so lets both drop it. if you want to call me bacl thats fine. i do not want to argue with you. you can call and talk to me and i will talk to you. both of us can talk like men. we can work this out without you fixing anything for me or giving me any money. because im not wanting any of that. all you have to do is call and we both can talk and then both of us can post back here that its been resolved.
 
StudNuts said:
Im just going to make a few points I keep saying im done but I want clarity:
I am not denying anything except attempting to distinguish what I did and DID NOT DO. If something broke I did, then fine I can man up shit happens when its wheeled. I have repaired alot of other shops work on the trail, crap happens its expected in 4 wheeling. I am also very good about correcting issues that need it if I would have known about it. I will argue on points again I DID NOT DO and want the web mafia clear of those.
How can you be certain if you WERE NOT THERE????? you need his dick out of your ass cause him and I had the discussion before I touched his rig. I discuss every rig I build and the material list whether the customer pays attention or not.
If a rear tube broke off, i did the tube work and will stake claim. Find me a tube chassis or truggy that is wheeled as rough as he claims to have wheeled it and NOT break a damn thing or dent a piece of tube, especially break it and complain a fawken YEAR LATER. I do turn the grease zerks up into the bracket to protect them, for the web fab'rs ill put them down next time to get torn off.
Your little dinky heims are CroMO, and are also upper links which do not see as much load as lowers......Question.....Have one of them broken?????? NO...or at least you havent said so. They may only be a 3/4-5/8 heim, BUT HAS IT BROKEN......again NO. So you bent this crossmember....and didnt break a 'little baby' heim???????
http://www.blackoutautosports.com/projects/bronco/img/100_1261.jpg
Now for the pic reference on page1 of said bent crossmember, for the web fab'rs or johnski, please explain from the closeup pic of page1 of the above crossmember how it speaks for itself????
Another note, you mention your lower non adjustable bars.... Why the fawk do you need lower rear adjustables if the uppers are adjustable for pinion angle????? Are you going to stretch the wheelbase...what a whopping 1"???????????????
For the web fabricators, please explain how you can tell the alignment of that track bar and drag link with no pic of the FRAME AND AXLE mount in the same view???????????? If you can tell that from a pic of my frame mount your a fawkn magician and should have your own infomercial.
As far as contacting me. I have attached an invoice from March 3 of this year for your shock parts I sent you. Do you remember talking to me then? Do you also remember sending me 3 PMs on this very board????? Do you remember you sending me a PM with your address? Did you even mention anything was wrong? *****NO*****. Am I a mind reader here or just forget? I have not heard from you after that. Did you leave me messages, NO. Are there alternate means of communication, YES, cause somehow you got ahold of me for that shock rebuild.
Is NC4x4 PRIVATE MESSAGING BROKEN....NO.
APPEARANTLY NC4X4 ISNT BROKEN....
IS THE CONTACT PAGE ON MY WEBSITE BROKEN....NO
IS THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN MY NC4X4 PROFILE INVALID....NO
So your excuse for not contacting me is as full of BS is you.
As far as you having problems BEFORE MARCH 3 2008.....When I talked to you about the shock seals, DID YOU MENTION THAT ANYTHING WAS WRONG........NO. So when the fawk did you try and contact me when I had interactions with you 3 months ago??????????????????? Or are your last 6 pages of ranting saying you have not talked to me are malicious tales of fairy??????? So that leads me to think nothing had been wrong and if it took you a year later to break something, then thats not too bad.
And I did just work on your friends jeep??? I also asked him how you were doing. He said nothing of the fact except for Yes he did say the hoop broke off and you broke a lower shock head...I had that conversation with him. That was it. Nothing that you were trying to contact me, nothing that you were upset and/or leading to go postal on me on nc4x4.
Next point. This build was over a YEAR AGO. If you had trouble, why is this the FIRST time I am hearing about it???????????????????
You mean to tell me that it took you a YEAR to figure out that the rear pinion angle is off??????????
It took you a year to figure out your front pinion angle was off????????
It took you a year to break that rear tube hoop???????????
It took you a year of wheeling your bronco to figure out your zerks were facing upward??????????????????????????
Sounds like someone needs an instruction booklet on their next rig.
Have you not proof read your posts????????? You have some sort of profanity in every post in huge letters.... Thats real deserving of return respect and professionalism. Im normally the quick hot head that retorts to caps cuss words but it only makes your self look bad and you will get no professionalism or respect talking to me like that. I did get your message and I was extremely busy today and I will try to return your call in a timely manner.
Jon
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thanks for removing my personal information.
 
GubNi said:
You really hit on the head there. He hasn't told us why he did that all.
Also, he didn't have anyone post up comments for him. I just happened to see the work and how crappy it was and wanted to add that I had seen it.
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Yep, and Studnuts won't respond to it, because he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's trying to act like the one who is being wronged here because Mike is calling him out in a rude fashion. Hey, Mike didn't do it the same way that I would have, but it doesn't mean that he's wrong. Then he posts an invoice that is irrelevant to the original charges. Then he says that there is no way I can tell from a pic of the track bar mount that the track bar angle is way the hell off. Guess what Stud's, I didn't need a picture of it, because I've seen it in person. It is wrong, plain and simple, but I'm sure that you have some excuse for why that's not your fault either.

And just like GubNi, Mike didn't need to ask me to do anything. I've seen first hand the work that was done and the lack of quality. I first saw it a couple days after Mike picked up the rig from Stud's. I asked him why no hood and he told me about how he couldn't open it due to the exo, so he ended up leaving it off. Stud's can claim that it took a year for him to complain all he wants, but that appears to be just one more of the lies that he tells so easily. Mike has been pissed about this since the day he pick up his rig from the shop, and this thread has been a long time coming. The fact of the matter is that there are some other issues with the build that are not as Mike originally spec'ed them, but he hasn't brought them up in this thread.
 
roughshod and gubni. You trolls have nothing better to do. I did not attest to anything.... READ MY VERY FIRST STATEMENT IN MY LAST POST YOU TROLLS. You two stooges are missing my point as to why his unhappiness is just coming around now and straightning up a few contact issues. Nothing else needs said but the parties who were involved. We have come to terms and I will call him and talk to him. The past few days for me have not been good, and this is adding kinlin to them.
 
broncomania said:
s i decided to post this because i recently seen you bashing someones work and customer service on pirate and when i seen it i decided you needed a taste of your own medicine...
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Ive bashed no former vendor on PBB.... It could have been worded better none the less.
 
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