Daniel ?

I really wish more people would just come out to these very well put on work days to understand why we are having to do what we are doing. Do not always just assume we are doing what we want to, but we just might be doing what we need to do to keep these few trails we have open for our / the next generation. Please understand that the USFS is not getting any funding for the upkeep of our trails. We need to either be proactive or we can be reactive after the fact. I and a bunch of other folks would rather be proactive. And it is great time for most all out there on these work days.

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That's about what it looked like 3 years back and we had s thread named Danielle?

Great job pleasing the USFS to keep us wheeling. I really do appreciate it.

I still hate it, but understand
Realllllly hate it :p
 
Cory said:
That's about what it looked like 3 years back and we had s thread named Danielle?

Great job pleasing the USFS to keep us wheeling. I really do appreciate it.

I still hate it, but understand
Realllllly hate it :p
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It was 2010 for sure, but I haven't been able to find a picture. Every time it happens, everybody acts like it's the end of the world.
 
great job guys, one day I hope to make it to a work day. been a minimum of 15 yrs since I went with the CTB to some of those.
 
i understand the need to maintain trails and everything I do. But I just saw pics of Daniel and it looks ridiculous since they took Kodak Daniel was the only spot here worth really going on. People in stock or semi stock vehicles had the rest of the forest to ride around on. I just don't understand y we can't have at least that one trail that gives some kind of small challenge Or at least requires 4 wheel drive. Like already stated put a sign at the entrance with certain requirements and rules. If u can't make it up in the first 3 times winch up it. As already stated I have sat at the base of Daniel before for 30 mins waiting for some idiot that has an ego problem in a vehicle no where suited for the trail try to get up it because they didn't wanna back down but u can't say anything to them because then u are just being an a hole but if there were rules stating an attempt limit or minimum equipment u could say something to the idiots that tear stuff up. I love coming to uwharrie and always buy a season pass even if I don't know if I will b able to come more than once just to support the trail system but these pics just killed it for me.
 
Please let you feelings / thought known to the USFS . Debra / Terry are very approachable. I encourage all people that are upset to contact them and let them know how you feel. Then they can give you their reasoning also as to why we need to do what we did. I and a bunch of others on here agree that it does suck doing what we are doing but if it is needed to keep the trails open then we do what is asked of us. It is like last year at this time where we worked on Kodak for 3 straight workdays doing so much guardrail i still have nightmares about it just to have to go over on the last workday prior to opening day and shut it down. It sucks but it is what we need to do to be able for the general population to go out there wheelin.
 
krzyabncanuck said:
... we just might be doing what we need to do to keep these few trails we have open for our / the next generation.
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I represent this "next generation" with only one season under my belt and am extremely grateful for everyone's efforts. I'll admit I'm getting a little soft and mushy as I get older, but having the opportunity to experience moments like this with my daughter out at Uwharrie has been priceless:

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Keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated!

Shaggy
 
I hope to be able to make it to work days at some point in the future. My situation is such that I haven't even been able to get out wheeling in well over a year.
 
It's almost comical all the pissing and moaning about the ledges going on. Fact 1, it must be done. Fact 2, it will erode some more later on. Fact 3, it sucks that the ledges are gone but that's better than the whole trail being closed. Which will happen eventually.
Be glad we still have the hill climb just before the top. Some people need to understand Uwharrie is not an off road park, it's not meant to be challenging. Daniel was originally a dirt bike trail. No trail in the forest was meant to be challenging. It's suppose to be a place for EVERYONE. I'm all for posting signs with rules and limitations on Daniel but the USFS isn't gonna do that. They will shut it down before they put new rules and regs in place for it, much less pay a ranger to sit there. All great ideas, which I am in favor of too. But it's not in the FS budget. Therefore they give us the chance to take care of it ourselves by telling us what needs to be done. Guys like Snappy, Jason, the Canadian beard having guy, them and many others bug the crap out of the FS to put this stuff together so that we can keep these trails. So if its not challenging enough, you don't like it, and you've never even came to a work day, and you compare Uwharrie to some off road park, please go to THAT park and support it. Go there for challenging wheeling, come to Uwharrie in the mean time to enjoy the outdoors and mild trails thru the woods.

Where the heck else can you go for $30/year that offers off road trails, hiking, horse trails, camping, a lake, a river, great views, rich history, BIGFOOT and many other awesome things right in most of our own back yards.

Come on guys look at the big picture, you can't just let things go and people run around like morons and ruin the trails, or we loose the trails. We did what we had to do. And almost no one liked doing it. But the trail stays open because of it.

Rant off....
 
The last paragraph of your rant Philip is exactly what usfs is letting happen.

Not rating Daniel as a offroad trail with limitatations is the real problem.

By not posting limits on Daniel, we will undoubtedly lose it. Uwharrie is definstly not intended for everyone its a ohv trail system.


I do understand what was done had to be done. But like I said before 3 years back it looked like this and it took under a year to be torn apart by under educated wheelers cause limitation signs are not posted.

So. We will.lose Daniel if other efforts aren't taken. I know a sign is cheaper then the rental of equipment every 6 months.

And yes a sign won't stop everyone, but it gives us who treadlightly some kinda authority to tell these morons to stop.

So thank you all for your blood n sweat, I do appreciate it, but education is the way to go. Fixing it and then ignoring the problem is the problem.
 
Your right Cory. I pushed for the signs once, even had it priced to have a few signs made to pay for it myself. But then ran into issues about signs being approved and such. Bunch of red tape BS.

I still agree a sign would be helpful. Maybe if said type of sign just showed up it would last a little bit??

Someone would more than likely steal the sign but I still think its worth a shot. Just have several made and ready to replace.

Not saying I'm gonna put a sign up... But there may be a sign pop up in the near future...
 
Cory said:
The last paragraph of your rant Philip is exactly what usfs is letting happen.

Not rating Daniel as a offroad trail with limitatations is the real problem.

By not posting limits on Daniel, we will undoubtedly lose it. Uwharrie is definstly not intended for everyone its a ohv trail system.


I do understand what was done had to be done. But like I said before 3 years back it looked like this and it took under a year to be torn apart by under educated wheelers cause limitation signs are not posted.

So. We will.lose Daniel if other efforts aren't taken. I know a sign is cheaper then the rental of equipment every 6 months.

And yes a sign won't stop everyone, but it gives us who treadlightly some kinda authority to tell these morons to stop.

So thank you all for your blood n sweat, I do appreciate it, but education is the way to go. Fixing it and then ignoring the problem is the problem.
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FS will never make a recommendation due to liability issues. I do challenge you to come out on a weekend and set at a spot(rock play ground above the ledges would be a good one) and help educate on tread lightly and why what they are doing is wrong and will cost us the forrest trails. We have done it several days. At private parks most every one has wheel before or are there with someone that has, the forest not so much.... EDUCATION is key
 
I do educate others on the trail and have met a lot of guys that taught me everything I know from riding at Ure.

If Don from durtyrok didn't approch me and give me a FREE education on treadlighty. I probably would of done some stupid shit over the years. So I absolutely agree with you.


But the fact is the trails have a rating system used by the USFS so they are taking more legal liability by not having that sign.

And I love the challenge after challenge by you acting like I don't do anything but rant online.

Fact is it makes you come off as a smug asshole. Not at all the guy I met at mars fab.
I clean trails everytime I'm out and have taught a lot of my friends about maintaining the trails. The only Saturday's I have had off in 5 years is last month because I broke my hip.
So I know for you its not hard to pack up n head out for a maintance day. But a lot of us are to busy unfortunately.

The only reason I havnt approached ctb is bc your a member. And you constantly talk down to people.
 
Cory, knowing briefly from Saturday I can say your a good guy. Love to wheel with you. My post was not to you or any particular person.

As for Snappy, I do consider him a personal friend. I could see how you take his post wrong. But that's just what it is. Wrong, things get taken out of context thru reading words rather than hearing them.

I can promise you Snappy is a great guy with the best of intentions. Pay no mind to his post. As for the Canadian guy, well he's Canadian. enough said lol. Nah he's a great guy too. All of these guys working out here are great people to be around. This just becomes a tense subject with lots of emotions involved. Snappy means no harm and definitely does not intend to talk down to people.
 
Cory said:
But the fact is the trails have a rating system used by the USFS so they are taking more legal liability by not having that sign.
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I'd like to see this USFS trail rating system that you're describing.
 
Cory said:
I do educate others on the trail and have met a lot of guys that taught me everything I know from riding at Ure.

If Don from durtyrok didn't approch me and give me a FREE education on treadlighty. I probably would of done some stupid shit over the years. So I absolutely agree with you.


But the fact is the trails have a rating system used by the USFS so they are taking more legal liability by not having that sign.

And I love the challenge after challenge by you acting like I don't do anything but rant online.

Fact is it makes you come off as a smug asshole. Not at all the guy I met at mars fab.
I clean trails everytime I'm out and have taught a lot of my friends about maintaining the trails. The only Saturday's I have had off in 5 years is last month because I broke my hip.
So I know for you its not hard to pack up n head out for a maintance day. But a lot of us are to busy unfortunately.

The only reason I havnt approached ctb is bc your a member. And you constantly talk down to people.
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Cory
You are taking what I am saying 100% the wrong way..... Never said you didnt do anything. What I was saying is that we all have to be on the same page when it comes to the guys that we both say we have seen and that you are being proactive.......And there is way more than a maintance day that we could use your help. If you would like I have alot of internet research I could use help with that could be done at anytime. Pm me if anyone would wish to help with this.....[/quote]
 
You got to take my Canuck ass with a grain of salt. Number 1 I am from Canada, number 2 I retired from the Army so I have 2 strikes against me going here.

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Cory said:
Fact is it makes you come off as a smug asshole. Not at all the guy I met at mars fab.
I clean trails everytime I'm out and have taught a lot of my friends about maintaining the trails. The only Saturday's I have had off in 5 years is last month because I broke my hip.
So I know for you its not hard to pack up n head out for a maintance day. But a lot of us are to busy unfortunately.

The only reason I havnt approached ctb is bc your a member. And you constantly talk down to people.
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I've only been in CTB for about 5 months now but I can say with certainty that he is no asshole as you put it. He is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I wouldn't say its easy for any of us to "pack up n head out." We all have commitments and responsibilities, yet we go to the work days. You are bitching about what we did to Daniel and I can only imagine how much you would complain should URE close. As phillip said, you want harder obstacles then go to DPG or the Flats or one of the other many private parks.
 
Not at all Cory. I want people to come out and enjoy the beauty. I'm just saying let's be thankful for what we have and do what we need to do in order to keep it.
 
Cory said:
Sorry if I took anything out of context.
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Cory your prev post shows all that you do understand my exact point. I put my pants on the same way as everyone else here does and am no better than anyone, if anything i am alot less.....
My post and your post proved my point that at some point someone pointed us in the right direction because they took the time to do so. My challenge was taken wrong and i am truely sorry, that being said i dont think our ideas are that far off. When you appoarched me about not being off on saturdays, i made it know that workdays can be done at any point(trying to educate, but possiblly was taken the wrong way as being an ass). I have found the fs manual and it is a sticky.... I found nothing in the manual about a rating system, i would love the help in locating that(this is the kind of help that someone that cannot make a work could be more valuable that sweat work)

Fyi bypass is still in the works, kodak is being looked at to be reopened and because of ideas by people chatting about what we can do rather than the past(looking at a joint venture with grad programs and the fs) and we have been working hard to get the final ok on the lake view trail. With the hours being turned this year both on work days and other individual work hours funding will be closer next year(most do not understand we get $$$$ for hours put in).. This could also include reseaech hours for solutions to drainage issues etc etc

Everyone is bashing on the fs saying they are not helping us here are a few things they have done so far this season, granted some may so small but still shows wanting to work with us...
Opening trails early, we get an extra weekend

Creek crossing on wolfes den and dutch john will not get colvert but rather reinforced rock bottoms that are way more natural than driving over a bridge

Looking at reopen Kodak play area(granted i never see rml conneting again) The above ground digs have been done, waiting on the below(see above ideas to speed that up)

I welcome any and all ideas to pass to the forrest service and they will ask us to do our homework before we propose ideas.
 
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