Engineers Unite!

I deal with "it worked on the computer" from the other end too. I have it in my BIM model a certain way and the shop doesnt do it or the erector puts it in wrong.......
 
I know a ton of project engineers. Love the bullshit terms contractors give out. :lol:
 
When my uppity neighbor's son was much younger and she was working, she told me she hired a "child-care engineer" to watch her son while she was at work. o_O I asked my neighbor where her new hire got her engineering degree and she looked at me with the deer in the headlights look. :shaking:
 
tlucier said:
When my uppity neighbor's son was much younger and she was working, she told me she hired a "child-care engineer" to watch her son while she was at work. o_O I asked my neighbor where her new hire got her engineering degree and she looked at me with the deer in the headlights look. :shaking:
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I really get offended when the title of "engineer" is mis-used.
 
lil late to this thread...
MechE/RPI. BS, not a PE.
Been working for the same heavy truck company for almost 18 years designing various chassis components. Worked as CAD contractor for about 5 years before that, designing everything from construction equipment, electrical connectors, furniture, to tool & die parts.
 
farmboy said:
I know a ton of project engineers. Love the bullshit terms contractors give out. :lol:
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That is actually an interesting sub-discussion.
I have been told by 2 separate folks who should know, that it is technically illegal in the state of NC to employ someone with the title of engineer that is not, in fact, and engineer. Something to do OT exemptions and such.
 
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I always wanted to drive a train...
 
Doing construction staking/layout for decades I had many interactions w CEs. Lots seemed to be arrogant pricks who resented a guy trying to stake out pipe/grades/curb and gutter etc. when I phoned them for clarity with vauge/shitty or just wrong information on their stamped plans. All pipe elevation tables have to be checked before staking/grading storm and sewer pipe and almost every plan from many different firms had gross errors in inverts/elevation/percent/length even pipe size. Some were from changes made to 1 or 2 runs and not the rest of the up/downstream runs and some were just wrong. Every time I found errors I had to call the CE firm and ask what they wanted to do to fix the problems, slowing my progress and making my day longer, while they sat in an air conditioned office and had to call me back. I worked off so many plans that were stamped NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION it was silly, but even approved plans had errors. I assume it was done so they could be unliable for costs of major mistakes if something was built wrong. I can count on one hand the CEs who met me on site, or thanked me on the phone for finding errors so they could review their plans and fix them or gave me their personal phone number so I could call them directly. I could never figure out how someone could not check and correct the plans well, before they were released, clients pay big money for the engineering.
 
mommucked said:
. I can count on one hand the CEs who met me on site, or thanked me on the phone for finding errors so they could review their plans and fix them or gave me their personal phone number so I could call them directly.
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That's inexcusable. "Those types" really make me sick. On behalf of decent consultant engineers that make numerous mistakes and rely on the experience of skilled professionals to show them the errs of their ways I apologize FOR them :kaioken:

My name and number is on all my drawings, and I always answer my phone. I usually have a better relationship with the contractors installing what I design than the architects we work for. The contractors installing what I've put on paper are usually far more experienced in what works than I'm am, so I listen to any suggestions.
But....that's why I left in 2005, to work as a contractor myself and see what all this bitchin was about :D
 
I think civil engineers are a special breed. Don't recall many errors w building foundation/columns/piers/structural walls etc. plans. I do remember lots of grading plans w the existing elevations shown correctly and the proposed grades/contours not matching where they tied to the existing and the conflicting elevations were labeled right there on their map! Slopes that were to be 2/1 or 4/1 etc. and don't scale that ratio etc. The modular retaining wall plans/elevations were right about 50% of the time or less.
 
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mommucked said:
Doing construction staking/layout for decades I had many interactions w CEs. Lots seemed to be arrogant pricks who resented a guy trying to stake out pipe/grades/curb and gutter etc. when I phoned them for clarity with vauge/shitty or just wrong information on their stamped plans. All pipe elevation tables have to be checked before staking/grading storm and sewer pipe and almost every plan from many different firms had gross errors in inverts/elevation/percent/length even pipe size. Some were from changes made to 1 or 2 runs and not the rest of the up/downstream runs and some were just wrong. Every time I found errors I had to call the CE firm and ask what they wanted to do to fix the problems, slowing my progress and making my day longer, while they sat in an air conditioned office and had to call me back. I worked off so many plans that were stamped NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION it was silly, but even approved
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Im not sticking up for any jack legs that just didn't give a shit or didn't know what they were doing, but oh the stories I could tell of executive management not understanding (or just not caring) about what it takes and what's involved in design and checking those designs. Absolutely ridiculous!
 
I received my Redneck Engineering degree from Redneck Tech in Haywood county. I've also worked with guys that called themselves Engineers that were nothing more than Google Engineers.
 
I fix engineers designs problems on a production line. Your perfect little world inside your computer doesn't live in my reality when building it. Give me tolerances! :D


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NCSU BSME and NC PE working as an HVAC commissioning engineer for higher education, health care, and institutional construction. I work with consulting engineers, designers, and contractors. No one gets it right all the time. I'm there to see that all the stuff you can't verify visually actually works as everyone intended before turnover to facility management.

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"No.....no, the SHOP DRAWINGS clearly had the connector piping at 92" so that was what was cut at the shop and shipped to the site. And we're tld NEVER to question the shop drawings"
 
Hurley said:
Since we're chunkin shit at each other...common sense would have told the pipe fitter to measure the resulting gap and field-cut and fit as needed. Unless it was pre-cut, but then that's silly, and someone else's dumb decision:p
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None understand those werds...I'm a pencil pusher. The financial ops guy in me just says, who dafuq ordered this and why are we spending money, were we down??? All orders go through me now.
 
CasterTroy said:
"No.....no, the SHOP DRAWINGS clearly had the connector piping at 92" so that was what was cut at the shop and shipped to the site. And we're tld NEVER to question the shop drawings"
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Any decent pipe fitter checks the 90 elbow to verify. It's rarely ever 90*. If the fitter doesn't check, that's how the final assembly will look when installing the shop built spools.
 
You know, I did have a good use for an engineer at work today. I had a snafu and scrapped a part that I was working on. Damn, that pisses me off! What do you know, a trusty engineer showed up for some help. He really made me feel a lot better about myself with his struggles on the simple design of an assembly.
 
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