How far will you go helping friends

upnover said:
I do what I can for who I can, most of the time. As far as money, I don't loan more than I could give. It turns out that way sometimes.
I have loaned parts, welded, and stayed behind when it was what needed to be done.
Have not lost a minutes sleep over helping someone so I will continue.
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Thanks for loaning my Father the tire plug kit at the Flats last year, could've been a long day without that. :beer: Little things go a long way, and it won't be forgotten.
 
XJfreakHO said:
How does pulling someone out with a strap "hurt equipment" you gotta be kidding me? Maybe a little extra wear, but not enough to flinch at.

Where did I say I didn't have a winch? I have a warn XD9000i, Ive used it once, for someone else, never for myself. Your right, bitching about it solves problems, now Im sorry you tore up your winch, but welcome to the sport, if you can't afford to repair your winch, maybe you shouldn't have one? And hell, maybe you shouldn't wheel if you want to bitch about helping people, to be honest, I sure wouldn't want you or anyone whos going to bitch about it later to help me on the trail, but you better believe I would help you, and wouldn't ask for a thing.
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What it comes down to is it pisses me off for someone to come unprepared and just dependant on everyone else to fix their problem. I know you can't carry every tool or every part but I carry every part and tool I can. And yes a winch is a tool of the trade unless your going to stay on the gravel road. Yes I can afford to fix my winch but is kinda disheartning to help someone out and it bites you in the ass like this. No I'm not going to ask the guy to pay for it. In this case I didn't even know it was broke till I was going to pull the next guy the same day. I generally help reguardless of the situation ask anyone I ride w/. I come across as an ass sometime but certain things get to me. As far as helping on Sat. ride I pulled my winch twice for others, I set up my welder twice and welded on two different rigs, and let another use my air to air up w/.
If you think tugging another vehicle w/ a tow rope won't hurt anything your not to bright. I've seen axles busted, driveshafts messed up, clutches burnt up especially if you have to jerk them. Hell pulling the wire on one of the best winches made can cost the hell out of you.haha
After looking at your profile I see your still a little green behind the ears. I've got 12 years on you and I've learned alot in those 12 years. We all have to learn the hard way. I'm still learning.
 
lockedup5 said:
What it comes down to is it pisses me off for someone to come unprepared and just dependant on everyone else to fix their problem. I know you can't carry every tool or every part but I carry every part and tool I can. And yes a winch is a tool of the trade unless your going to stay on the gravel road. Yes I can afford to fix my winch but is kinda disheartning to help someone out and it bites you in the ass like this. No I'm not going to ask the guy to pay for it. In this case I didn't even know it was broke till I was going to pull the next guy the same day. I generally help reguardless of the situation ask anyone I ride w/. I come across as an ass sometime but certain things get to me. As far as helping on Sat. ride I pulled my winch twice for others, I set up my welder twice and welded on two different rigs, and let another use my air to air up w/.
If you think tugging another vehicle w/ a tow rope won't hurt anything your not to bright. I've seen axles busted, driveshafts messed up, clutches burnt up especially if you have to jerk them. Hell pulling the wire on one of the best winches made can cost the hell out of you.haha
After looking at your profile I see your still a little green behind the ears. I've got 12 years on you and I've learned alot in those 12 years. We all have to learn the hard way. I'm still learning.
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I never claimed not to be young, or anything of the sort, so judge me as you wish, doesn't hurt me any. I've seen gears go boom, U joints destroyed, and axleshafts snap pulling out vehicles with a strap, but most of those occasions were just cases of they needed replaced anyway, or we were about to upgrade. I know repairing a winch can be expensive, and I also know people need to be prepared, but telling everyone they need a winch to wheel isn't a fair response and I am sure you know it. You seemed particularly pissed off about your winch being damaged, I can understand that. I would love to have an 8274, but haven't came across one for a deal yet when I can afford to spend it.

I am definately still learning, but I learned early that breaking expensive parts/equipment and having to suck up the cost is just part of this sport/hobby. Nothing against you at all, I'd have been pissed off too in that situation, but saying everyone without a winch shouldn't wheel is a bit extreme. Before I got a winch we carried straps and come alongs, and I hated hearing about how I should buy a winch. Sometimes a winch just isn't in the budget, especially for us younger folks. Times are hard for everyone, not just the older folks.

Hopefully you didn't take this argument personally, just hit a nerve, and Im sure you just were still pissed off about finding out about the cost of the parts to repair your 8274, it happens, we get mad, we get over it. Think of it this way, chances are you would have had to repair it anyway after 1 or 2 more pulls, be glad you didn't find out it was broken when you were stuck and needed it. Glass half full.:driver:
 
No I'm not pissed about the winch I just don't like it when people are unprepared. Winches can be bought cheap. Truth be told the gears have been going for about two years since I pulled a guy out of Armour All that was broke. I now have hopes of getting it repaired under warranty if I can find my reciept. Bad thing is it's going to cost me $75 just to ship it to Clemson 4wd. So if anyone out there is headed down toward Clemson 4wd from Hickory I'll pay to have you haul it for me.
 
I have a few very good friends and they know who they are.. they can pretty much ask for whatever and I will help them whenever needed.
 
I'll pretty much do anything for my friends, short of loaning money. I have a few friends that I would trust to loan money to, but only a small few. I'm too broke to be losing money, and I have too few friends to be losing any of them either. :lol:
 
Last year i was on a trail in uhwarrie with my wife and two small girls. I broke a bolt on my track bar and got out of the way. Four or five rigs stoped to help and do what they could do (looking for spare bolts) it came down to zipties i had with me that i could hold the bar in place with. The guys stayed to make sure it worked and then followed me down to the gravel road. I never got a chance to thank them in a better way. about a month after i was there with my brother and another guy the guy had some junk and didnt make it 100 yards on the first trail before over heating. Then his battery was falling out. He had no tools no water, no spare parts. I used my stuff to fix his. Things do go around and back. I help people all the time in my work and that makes up for the bad. I would never leave a soldier behind, a officer down, a biker on the side of the road, a truck in the woods. That is why we love our sports because you can count on each other.
 
lockedup5 said:
Therefore you put a hinderance on your friends and fellow wheelers and their equipment and you don't feel bad about it. What kinda friend does that make you? As I said I'm probably going to be a few hundred into my winch I broke pulling someone else out. Maybe I just shouldn't pull my winch for someone like that again and I'll keep my money in my pocket. Better yet why don't I just buy you a winch too since you can't afford one.
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Wrong, just wrong.

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- Money I never loan, I frequently give. If a friend asks to borrow money, if I an give it I will...and explain it is a gift. If I can't give it I can't loan it.

- Time I will give every ounce I have which isn't much, but for a true friend...man Ive done my share like we all have

As far as the winch, sure one trip if a guy needs it, after that he is a slow learned and I need to help him learn....
 
lockedup5 said:
I helped a guy yesterday I didn't even know and I busted the gears on my Warn 8274. I guess I'll eat a few hundred bucks in gears just cause I can't leave a fellow wheeler stuck although it does agrivate the hell out of me someone would wheel w/o a winch. Before I get bashed I'll just tell you if you can't afford a winch you shouldn't be wheeling.
In three years my winch has probably been pulled 40-50 and I'd say I've used it less than 15 times on myself.
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lockedup5 said:
Therefore you put a hinderance on your friends and fellow wheelers and their equipment and you don't feel bad about it. What kinda friend does that make you? As I said I'm probably going to be a few hundred into my winch I broke pulling someone else out. Maybe I just shouldn't pull my winch for someone like that again and I'll keep my money in my pocket. Better yet why don't I just buy you a winch too since you can't afford one.
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lockedup5 said:
What it comes down to is it pisses me off for someone to come unprepared and just dependant on everyone else to fix their problem. I know you can't carry every tool or every part but I carry every part and tool I can. And yes a winch is a tool of the trade unless your going to stay on the gravel road. Yes I can afford to fix my winch but is kinda disheartning to help someone out and it bites you in the ass like this. No I'm not going to ask the guy to pay for it. In this case I didn't even know it was broke till I was going to pull the next guy the same day. I generally help reguardless of the situation ask anyone I ride w/. I come across as an ass sometime but certain things get to me. As far as helping on Sat. ride I pulled my winch twice for others, I set up my welder twice and welded on two different rigs, and let another use my air to air up w/.
If you think tugging another vehicle w/ a tow rope won't hurt anything your not to bright. I've seen axles busted, driveshafts messed up, clutches burnt up especially if you have to jerk them. Hell pulling the wire on one of the best winches made can cost the hell out of you.haha
After looking at your profile I see your still a little green behind the ears. I've got 12 years on you and I've learned alot in those 12 years. We all have to learn the hard way. I'm still learning.
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lockedup5 said:
No I'm not pissed about the winch I just don't like it when people are unprepared. Winches can be bought cheap. Truth be told the gears have been going for about two years since I pulled a guy out of Armour All that was broke. I now have hopes of getting it repaired under warranty if I can find my reciept. Bad thing is it's going to cost me $75 just to ship it to Clemson 4wd. So if anyone out there is headed down toward Clemson 4wd from Hickory I'll pay to have you haul it for me.
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In your first post, you complain about the helping someone, because it broke your winch. You later reveal that your winch was on its last legs for the past 2 years anyway, and deny being mad about your winch being broken, even though its clear you were mad about it from your post.

In your second post, you call me a hinderance to my friends and fellow wheelers because you assume I do not have a winch. I am very sure my friends and fellow wheelers would not mind having to pull me out, knowing that if a time came they were in the same situation, I wouldn't hesitate to pull them out, or if they were in a situation where I could help, I would.

You go on to say that maybe you should not have helped the person who was stuck, and maybe you should buy me a winch because you assume I do not have one, and cannot afford one. I agree, if your going to complain about helping someone, you shouldn't do it, at the same time you shouldn't expect anyone to help you in a similar situation, and hey if you wanna buy me a winch, I sure wouldn't turn you down, I could use a 2nd winch.

In your third post you change your attitude a little, and try to say that you came across as an asshole because the subject touched a nerve, and you try to excuse it by saying you helped 2 guys weld and another guy air up, you talk about how you hate when people come wheeling unprepared, when you went wheeling with a winch you knew was on its last legs, bet you would have felt like an ass if you got stuck and it didn't work, and you had to ask someone to pull you out. You look at my profile and see that I am 21, and because of this you assume Ive never seen breakage because I say that pulling with a strap doesn't cause enough damage to worry about, and point out that you have 12 years on me and your still learning, which is fine, I think everyone is still learning, but you sure made alot of assumptions so far about me.

In your fourth post you once again deny having been angry about the winch breaking, mention that you might be able to get it repaired under warranty (No doubt why you have lost the temper you had in the first post) and change the subject to asking if anyone would be willing to take the winch to Clemson4x4 for you for it to be warrantied.

You started very negative, I said hey we all get mad, we get over it, look at it as a glass half full, you continued to say you were never mad. I really had no intention of coming back to this thread because I didn't want to argue with you when its clear your going to continue saying you weren't angry.

We went to URE, I managed a flat while wheeling, I hopped out, got my lug wrench, was in the middle of getting my jack, and before I even got the tire off the ground a buddy had already gotten the lugs going and was getting the tire off, during which time 2 other buddies climbed up on the roof to pull my spare, and waited for me to throw the flat one back up to them. We help eachother, thats how my group is, and I kno thats how CTB is, we might give eachother hell for having problems, but we never complain about having to help. Changing that tire took us about 1 minute, but we ended up stopped bsing for atleast 10 or 15 because we are all just good friends. Heres a picture during the tire change, lots of good times, even in the middle of a fix, because thats just how we are. By THEDSK's response, I would assume he agrees.

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lockedup5 said:
If you think tugging another vehicle w/ a tow rope won't hurt anything your not to bright. I've seen axles busted, driveshafts messed up, clutches burnt up especially if you have to jerk them.
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You've got to be joking. You are a grownup right? You made the choice to help those "unprepared" folks. If it's a choice you can't make without all this bitchin then just drive on past next time.

I've pulled literally 100+ vehicles, rarely using a winch. Most of them have been snow stucks in a big ton truck...but I've pulled plenty on little 1/4 ton jeep axles.

Bottom line is that 2 stockers with recovery points isn't an irresponsible combo to go wheeling with as long as you've got judgement and driving skills.

Check out the top gear where they drive to the north pole in a couple of expedition built hiluxes. IIrc you won't find a winch on either truck, they use one of those ARB dynamic snatch straps attached straight from vehicle to vehicle when one does get stuck.

Oh and back to the topic, I don't have a ton of friends but the ones I really consider friends I'd go to hell and back for. I don't loan money but I've been fine with giving people time to pay off cars, etc they purchase from me as long as they can put 1/2 of it down. For me, I help them because I know I'll eventually need help. I'd be nowhere without my friends and family.
 
I wasn't going to get into this but I think they are both right.

lockedup5's basic position, the way I read it anyway, is that people should not be wheeling completely unprepared and always "expect" others to bail them out.

XJfreakHO's position seems to be that just because you don't have "XYZ whatever" you can still wheel responsibly.

My $.02
 
unless you bring a parts truck with you are you realy bringing everything you need? my truck is mostley stock and i drive it every day so putting a winch on the front is not practicle for me at this time. there are people that go wheeling that got a jeep or suv and think it looks fun but have no clue what they are doing or how to wrench. They may end up getting into something they cant get out of (stuck) or break something. now do you leave them there and say bump you or do you help them this time so they learn how to get out and maybe they will help the next guy. this is the way i have always been, show them, teach them, then let them do it on there own that is how you learn and every person you help makes you a better person. look on the trails some time there are $50,000 rigs and $500 but they are all haveing a good time.
 
Rox&Mud said:
I wasn't going to get into this but I think they are both right.
lockedup5's basic position, the way I read it anyway, is that people should not be wheeling completely unprepared and always "expect" others to bail them out.
XJfreakHO's position seems to be that just because you don't have "XYZ whatever" you can still wheel responsibly.
My $.02
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To an extent, yes, I don't disagree with that, but shit happens, Im not saying go wheeling alone without a winch, thats a horrible idea unless your prepared (come along, straps, shovel, whatever you may need) but when we used to go wheeling none of our group had a winch and there was never a time we had to leave anyone behind. Now I would say we have 2-5 winches in our group anytime we go wheeling.
 
I think your position is spot on, you are/were prepared to handle what might happen. My understanding of his point is directed toward people who wheel and consistently expect others to take care of them yet do little to nothing to prepare themselves for unexpected problems. Dealing with folks like that can leave even the best of us frustrated. Maybe I'm reading into it but that's just how it comes across to me.
 
Ok back on track here. My "second" family know as the BDB, will and has come running in force when I needed them. Likewise when the shoe is on the other foot, I go. I also have a handful of call anytime friends that help with whatever and when I try to reward there efforts, it is refused. That is a true friend!!
 
Thanks Freak for summing up my posts for everyone. Although I have no idea which posts you were reading.
First of all this thread was supposed to be about how far you'd go for your friends. My first post was to show that you don't have to be my friend for me to help you considering I'd use my winch that's on it's ''last leg'' to help a stranger. Yes it's been making a noise for 2 years but the service guy told me to use it till it broke if it's going to. I admit I was a little upset I broke my winch but who wouldn't? I have not been mad at him at all over it because I did decide to pull him when there was 10 others that could have? I'd been just as upset if I broke it pulling myself. As I should've maybe explained a little better it's the people in general that are unprepared when they decide to tackle a D4 or D5 trail when they are only prepared for a D1 and expect someone else to bail them out. I'd just like to see a show of hands of the wheelers out there that agree w/ me. If I only have one day to wheel and most the time 4hrs of that is transit time I don't want to have to baby sit someone cause they didn't bring a single wrench, duct tape, and yes a winch. Now I'm not talking about someone just getting into the sport that doesn't know any better. I'm talking about the guys that have wheeled hard for a year and has had to be "tugged" a dozen times. I'd say being pulled out 2-3 times should be enough then you should buy a winch if you are going to continue to wheel. I think Rox&Mud knows what I'm talking about.

As for my winch I don't know yet if it is covered under warranty. I do know it costed me $61 to ship it to Clemson just to find out. If not I'm going to have to pay them to fix it what ever it costs plust $61 shipping back also. It won't take to many licks like this before I leave the novice in the hole they got themselves in no matter if they think I'm an ass hole or not. I consider this a hard/expensive lesson learned. The last time I had a tow truck hook a winch to me he pulled me ten feet and charged me $50 and that was 15 yrs ago. Now I see why.

Arch- 100 pulls? Really? Let me guess you pulled them all out for free. Bless your heart. And you don't think your not going to pay for that eventually if you haven't already.
Yes 2 stockers wheeling w/ tow ropes and tow points isn't bad when your wheeling on grandpa's farm and you have no chance holding up ten more guys on that trail that eventually are going to get pissed when you could've got out in a tenth of the time if you were really prepared.

People w/ no common sense do not learn lessons unless it's the hard way and if people always bail them out they never learn.

Don't get me wrong everybody. I have and always will help everyone I can in any situation but that's not to say I won't get irritated if I have to babysit them.

Basically what it boils down to is if your actions being negligent( •negligence - failure to act with the prudence that a reasonable person would exercise under the same circumstances)
affect anyone else in a negative way you are in the wrong.
 
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