I wanted to make a little mention about something.....

ol'Jeeps said:
Yep, agree, sorry and...thx

BTW...ya really need to debate UNION?



GE...UNION...United Electrical
Alcoa...UNION...United Steel Workers
Exxon...UNION...International Federation of Chemical, Energy, Mine and General Workers
Toyota, Japan, Phiilipines, Austrailia...UNION
Boeing...UNION...IAM
Airbus...UNION...European Metalworkers' Federation
Sony...UNION
Mitsubishi...UNION
Teachers...UNION

Shall I go on?

Gee...all the best factory jobs for all the best companies in the world are Union!!

Go figure!:rolleyes:
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uhhhh..These companies may contribute to these UNIONS but they are NOT manadtory union shops.
For 1 thing Electrical products are less than 10% of GEs business (banking, aircraft engines, medical imaging, and land developing ;) )
ALCOA has recently (in the last 10 years) closed down 2 facilities because they voted unions in. They are the single largest anti union lobby out there....

Ive enjoyed this but dont feel like going on. Anyone who wants to engage in intelligent debate concerning the "conservative media bias" is obviously ill-prepared for the task.
 
Sure Alcoa is anti Union! They all are! Guess why! And they all sure dont contribute to Unions!!

BTW...speaking of ill prepared to debate? Better get back to work on yer Union Knowlege...:rolleyes:

I Quote

"National negotiations are expected to begin May 21 (2007) in New York with the Electrical, Salaried, Machine and Furniture Workers-Communications Workers of America, which represents about 10,000 workers and the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, with 4,000 members.
GE also will negotiate local contracts with the Machinists union, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, auto workers, steel workers and other unions.
GE's union workers make aircraft engines, appliances, locomotives, medical equipment, power turbines and other products across the country. The contract covers GE workers in Arkansas City, Kan.; Louisville, Ky.; Lynn, Mass.; Schenectady, N.Y.; Erie, Pa.; and elsewhere.":rolleyes:
 
I am a forklift tech, not in a union, don't need nor want to be in one. I enjoy my job and the freedoms that come with it.
We recently hired a fella who worked in a union forklift shop up north.
He makes me crazy !!
Will not do anything more than he is able to accomplish in an 8hr day ( typically if I have 2 lifts in one place and I only need the one to complete the day, I'll do both, save the time on the next for the next day, bonus for me ! )

We get paid for mileage, so our time starts when we leave the driveway. many times I have 8hrs billed by 2pm, but on occasion there may be a job requiring more time, If I'm done with what ever by 4Pm, I'm done for the day, I don't bill for the ride home. new guy will stop and make sure he is home by 4pm. Oh to hear it if he is not going to make it home by then..... you'd think he was asked to give birth !

New guy VERY concerned about getting paid for drivng to shop ( yes, it is a haul for him, but that time can be absorbed thru the day ) I live 30 miles from the shop, I go once a week as needed. I'm at the shop by 8am, I do what I need to do and leave, and average out the time between tickets thru the day, UNLESS I am going to the shop for a specific job or customer, then they get the bill.

I look at it this way, they give me something to drive, and pay for the fuel, and I am allowed a certain amount of freedom with said ride. I can be flexable with time.

There is more to new guys union mentality, all the tools save for the "special" ( read: really expensive hydro stuff) are mine, he thinks they should supply him with DVOM, and the larger tools required to do the job.

This isn't the first run in I have had with "Union mentality"

Years ago I worked as a temp part time, was assigned to a contractor in IL who was building a Barnes and Noble book store.

My duties, some touch up sanding on dry wall, organize and assemble the book cases and lay them out according to the floor layout blueprints. ( Heavy but not difficult work)
Local Laborers BA ( Business Agent) came into the store, asked the contractor WHY I was there and WHY he wasn't using union labor.
Contractor told BA if he could supply him with someone who was able to do the job, without having to be directed and or needing his hand held, he'd be willing.
BA told contractor " Get rid of the temp, and get a laborer, or I will shut this job down !!" ( all the electricians and HVAC guys were union ) I got sent home.
Store missed it's opening deadline by a week because the laborers (2) that got brought in were fawk up's.

Growing up in Peoria IL ( World HQ of Caterpillar) and not far(90 miles) from World HQ for John Deere, I'm well aware of Union BS and the associated folks that comes with it.
The ones who scream loudest come strike time are the nar do well's, and those who don't really want to work anyway.
I know more guys who took early retirement because they were tired of the UAW crap.

I know of one who had is ballot intercepted and torn up during a contract vote because the BA KNEW how he was voting, and it wasn't in BA's favor.

Yes, I have a bad view of unions.
 
Blkvoodoo said:
I am a forklift tech, ...
Yes, I have a bad view of unions.
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We may be starting to rehash stuff!

Not everyone in the world has had a good relationship with their Union. Or their company, or their customers. Or their families, or their spouses! Nothing is infallible. There are bad deals in every endevor.

MY point, as orginally stated, wasn't about whether or not we should all be in a Union. It is not practical for all industries to be Union. And Im sure many companies have always treated their employees very well, by any measure! (I work for one now!) My point about Unions is that they are the real only voice American workers have. They alone are the major voice in opposition of our jobs going overseas! And that is currently our biggest need in this country right now!

And BTW...My Union experience was Great! Great money, great bennies...Health, dental, vision, legal, pension. UAW-Aerospace at Rockwell International. We worked 6 days a week, 10-12 hours a day, mandatory OT. (was a gov military contract) And yep, along with all this was dead beats, thieves, liars...all the worst of our society mixed in with those of us that worked hard. So they give Unions a bad name. But what everyone doesn't know is that these are the 10 percenters. Same as in any organization. Union or not. And yes...that needed, and still needs fixed. In Union and non union shops!

But ya dont throw the baby out with the bathwater!
 
Alright im done with this thread b/c im not sure you even live in this country( talking about a right wing propaganda media filling our country these days) You and Rosie Odanald should start blogging together. But i am not a fascist just an anti communist a small portion of what a fascist might believe.

By the way i don't think anyone got my humor with the pet rock, and the jump to conclusion mat. i should have got a "that is a horible idea".

But even if you are a commy and i am a fascist ill still help you on the trail and i won't name call anymore.
 
And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...
 
InfantryYJ said:
Wife's a teacher, she's not in a union;)
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Not a member of NEA or NCEA?
As far as unions go, they're pretty weak - but I know in the WS-FC schools almost all teachers are members.
My wife teaches 6th grade. We agree that it sucks paying the monthly dues.... but we view it as insurrance. Unfortunately sometimes teachers are caught in bad situations that are out of their control. For example, male teacher is accused of, say, sexual advances to a female student. Lawsuits happen, teacher ends up on leave.... may or may not be true... but becomes very costly (both economically and socially) for the accused. Lawyers are very expensive.
NEA proviides the lawyer and temporary compensation while it gets worked out.
Now I don't know about you guys, but we simply could not afford that. So she is a member as a matter of "just in case"...
 
A private free market solution to that would be a form of liability/disability insurance policy. You could buy an insurance policy that covers your legal fees and compensates your lost pay in the event of some type of lawsuit, if you were found not guilty. could be worked in to a benifits package for shcool teachers if the shcool saw fit.

"excuse me but i did not recieve my paycheck this week" "ya were gonna have to go ahead and move you down to the basement milton"
 
RatLabGuy said:
Not a member of NEA or NCEA?
As far as unions go, they're pretty weak - but I know in the WS-FC schools almost all teachers are members.
My wife teaches 6th grade. We agree that it sucks paying the monthly dues.... but we view it as insurrance. Unfortunately sometimes teachers are caught in bad situations that are out of their control. For example, male teacher is accused of, say, sexual advances to a female student. Lawsuits happen, teacher ends up on leave.... may or may not be true... but becomes very costly (both economically and socially) for the accused. Lawyers are very expensive.
NEA proviides the lawyer and temporary compensation while it gets worked out.
Now I don't know about you guys, but we simply could not afford that. So she is a member as a matter of "just in case"...
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Nope, no NEA or NCEA, she teaches 4th grade. She's talked about it, and then dismissed the idea.
 
Cperry said:
Alright im done with this thread b/c im not sure you even live in this country( talking about a right wing propaganda media filling our country these days) You and Rosie Odanald should start blogging together. But i am not a fascist just an anti communist a small portion of what a fascist might believe.

By the way i don't think anyone got my humor with the pet rock, and the jump to conclusion mat. i should have got a "that is a horible idea".

But even if you are a commy and i am a fascist ill still help you on the trail and i won't name call anymore.
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Glad we can keep this in perspective. The problem with philosophical debates is we can become pretty passionate about our positions! But we are still ALL Americans, and I beleive that we all firmly believe that our convictions are for the betterment of our society!

Maybe thats the problem. A democracy probably has, and needs to have, some elements of communism, fascism, imperialism, militarism, etc. The prroblems start when we start to emphasize any one of these philosiphies. The US has become divided into a LEFT and a RIGHT. This wont work. We must get back to the middle ground that enabled us to break way from the old world and build the greatest nation the world has ever known! And this takes the great innovators, the great leaders, and the great work force wwe hve in this country. No one group is going to make it happen. It will take all of us. Because history has repeatedly shown us that all of those other philosophies, by themselves, cant last.


BTW...If you mat is as successful as the pet rock, yer workin days are over!!:rolleyes:
 
chuckwhut said:
And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...
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Yeah...we are gonna need to get you to move down to the basement...oh there is my stapler...yeah...
 
RatLabGuy said:
For you guys that are believers in pure capitolism, here's a great example of it in action (this, and the "W" store).
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/12/montana.tickets/index.html
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You're a bit behind the power curve on this one, I started a thread about Hannah Montana and also mentioned it in this one;) Yep, sometimes capitalism can be a bitch, and I've done this same thing when the Xbox360 came out. Didn't want one, but got a couple at market price and dropped them on ebay, easily doubling my money, supply and demand;)
 
InfantryYJ said:
You're a bit behind the power curve on this one, I started a thread about Hannah Montana and also mentioned it in this one;) Yep, sometimes capitalism can be a bitch, and I've done this same thing when the Xbox360 came out. Didn't want one, but got a couple at market price and dropped them on ebay, easily doubling my money, supply and demand;)
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I almost posted it in your original Hannah thread. Then decided on here. Oh well.
It's going to be interesting to see what actually happens at the shows - according to teh article, right now it looks like sold-out shows will have many empty seats. That suggests that at the last minute, the prices will drop (supply will have exceed demand).
 
I'm keeping my eye open for the Greensboro and Charlotte shows, I hope what you're saying is true, but no matter, all the tickets sold, so the performer is getting paid, it'll be the brokers taking the loss.
 
InfantryYJ said:
I'm keeping my eye open for the Greensboro and Charlotte shows, I hope what you're saying is true, but no matter, all the tickets sold, so the performer is getting paid, it'll be the brokers taking the loss.
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well I wouldnt say taking a loss...


Think about it.
You as a broker buy 100 tickets (lets use nice round easy numbers) for $20 (see round and easy)

Total cost $2000

You manage to only sell 40 tickets @ $70 each
Leaving you with 60 tickets.
Night of show you stand out front and sell the remainder for "only" $10

Total income $3400

You make $1400 and have no overhead.

An old roomie is a ticketbroker and makes a ton of bank....but damn what an aggravting life....
 
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