johns thread again

John Fuller said:
that's cause i know the basic science of metals and when you take some thin sheetmetal and double or triple it's thickness with plenty of overlap, it becomes plenty strong for anything to a reasonable measure that i and most would ever through at it.
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Maybe we don't understand the basic science of metals. Could you explain it for me? Like maybe where in the basic science of metals you would use a square or a cube?
 
jeepinmatt said:
Maybe we don't understand the basic science of metals. Could you explain it for me? Like maybe where in the basic science of metals you would use a square or a cube?
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He's talking about layered metals... engineered metalic composites, the wave of the future!

I bet his B matrix is non-zero
 
jeepinmatt said:
Maybe we don't understand the basic science of metals. Could you explain it for me? Like maybe where in the basic science of metals you would use a square or a cube?
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6 squares make a cube?
 
Yup, the "science of metals" will give you (as stated ) "better flex" ...........yea I see that!o_O

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John Fuller said:
hey i told yall my lift was cheap and ghetto and no flex..its little better now
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So, I am really not trying to bust your balls here, but...you say it's "cheap and ghetto" and the thing is a blue ton of people have tried to give you advice so it could be just "cheap and effective and safe" why the residence? ? Do you want it "ghetto" ???
 
krehel24 said:
So, I am really not trying to bust your balls here, but...you say it's "cheap and ghetto" and the thing is a blue ton of people have tried to give you advice so it could be just "cheap and effective and safe" why the residence? ? Do you want it "ghetto" ???
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it's not that i'm resistant by no means. i hope this comes out right:: i always have built my personal jeeps the way i see it, the way I know how, the materials i have access to and capable of doing with reasonable work/tools. I get advise when i can, i get ideas when i can, but usually i build something already...then post up my build and that's where the comments start. I never really paid much attention to what people say about my stuff...some points def taken though...but never really bought into it. and IT"S NOT AT ALL that i don't believe people's advise, or trust their advise it's just that i (with much much personal experience) believe that many different ways of getting a similar outcome of product and even though everyone's advised way of building something might be the "proper good looking way", i just do what i come up with and work it. none of you will believe me on this but i've had couple real builders see my rig and they didn't see anything wrong with my build or unsafe and i know they weren't just being nice cause i asked for their honest advise and they gave it to me. Effective: the lift is not affective because it was cheap...stock shocks on 5" lift and 2sets of stock leafs combined with stock shocks also so there is no real good way to make that affective except just to clear the 35s. now i have gained shocks for 4.5"lift which helped dramatically, added new longer shackles but my rear still needs some work to get full use of flex. Do I want it Ghetto??: not really but i've always had "ghetto jeeps according to others". I don't think my jeep is that bad or ghetto but i just call it that cause everyone else does...just like the name of it
"the Abomination"....that is not mine...that is what everyone called it when they saw it. to be honest, if i had 5K to throw at it right now, it still wouldn't be anything close to what most would consider proper but for me, that 5K would turn it into My Personal Baddest XJ ever even though most would probably still feel the same way and still call it a deathtrap but whatever, my jeep is my build, my taste, my preference, my abilities and work and it makes me very happy and proud to be able to impress myself and others with my "abomination" build that so many constantly predict won't make it out of the parking lot. I don't make it my job to prove my jeep or myself to others but when so many are against me and my build all the time....i too can get flustered and make it a thing to prove a little something lol.
 
Ok....so if you post a build after you have completed it, and have no intention of doing it differently after people's advice, don't really care what that have to say and get mad when they do say something about it. ..........WHY POST????? what is your purpose in it????
Example: my front leaf springs would fan out on me, I posted about how to resolve the issue, I collected all the data and made the repair, worked great! Thanks NC4x4!!
next, I wanted new shocks for my tow pig, didn't care about people's opinion about what type, didn't want any advice about witch shocks to buy so guess what?........I didn't post anything! !!!! Thanks NC4x4!!....do you see my point?
 
"The way I know how" i know how to do a lot of different things BUT always open to different ways someone's view can be different from yours and can make better since. This is why most engineering, architectural, building company's always have several people look at things. Just keep in mind that a fair number of people that comment on your post are master mechanics, engineers, fabricators, machinists, and several make there living off the off roading community. If you disagree ask why they think that way, or to explain there reasoning. Or at least say thanks I'll keep it in mind for next time. The people on here have there been there done that badges. Sit back listen to what they are saying, take notes and STOP ARGUING with everyone that doesn't agree with you.
 
John Fuller said:
it's not that i'm resistant by no means. i hope this comes out right:: i always have built my personal jeeps the way i see it, the way I know how, the materials i have access to and capable of doing with reasonable work/tools. I get advise when i can, i get ideas when i can, but usually i build something already...then post up my build and that's where the comments start. I never really paid much attention to what people say about my stuff...some points def taken though...but never really bought into it. and IT"S NOT AT ALL that i don't believe people's advise, or trust their advise it's just that i (with much much personal experience) believe that many different ways of getting a similar outcome of product and even though everyone's advised way of building something might be the "proper good looking way", i just do what i come up with and work it. none of you will believe me on this but i've had couple real builders see my rig and they didn't see anything wrong with my build or unsafe and i know they weren't just being nice cause i asked for their honest advise and they gave it to me. Effective: the lift is not affective because it was cheap...stock shocks on 5" lift and 2sets of stock leafs combined with stock shocks also so there is no real good way to make that affective except just to clear the 35s. now i have gained shocks for 4.5"lift which helped dramatically, added new longer shackles but my rear still needs some work to get full use of flex. Do I want it Ghetto??: not really but i've always had "ghetto jeeps according to others". I don't think my jeep is that bad or ghetto but i just call it that cause everyone else does...just like the name of it
"the Abomination"....that is not mine...that is what everyone called it when they saw it. to be honest, if i had 5K to throw at it right now, it still wouldn't be anything close to what most would consider proper but for me, that 5K would turn it into My Personal Baddest XJ ever even though most would probably still feel the same way and still call it a deathtrap but whatever, my jeep is my build, my taste, my preference, my abilities and work and it makes me very happy and proud to be able to impress myself and others with my "abomination" build that so many constantly predict won't make it out of the parking lot. I don't make it my job to prove my jeep or myself to others but when so many are against me and my build all the time....i too can get flustered and make it a thing to prove a little something lol.
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So you didn't measure for shocks or try and get a proper shackle angle? Dude no offense but it just sounds like you try to do different stuff without actually trying to calculate or research anything. It waste a lot of money to build stuff that way. For me research is cheap, combing over build threads, emails for ideas and bouncing off people is cheap. You can actually build much better than what you could ever imagine just by getting some hints, wheeling your rig, and just refining what you have. I searched high and low for the shortest collapsed length for a 12" shock to keep bump stops to a minimum. Against the grain you would say because I believe in balanced travel, 50/50, makes a better driving and more stable rig.
 
If I built my jeep my way, without seeking any guidance from others, who had modified their Jeeps long before I had even bought mine, I would have a YJ with chrome double tube bumpers, 7 KC lights, roof rack, spare tire rack, Black diamond XCL coil conversion, every piece of chrome and stainless that Quadratec Makes.

Thank God, I didn't have the money to do any of that, and after researching what works and what doesn't, and spending time in the woods with my Jeep, I realized what everyone was saying was spot on, and I was dumb for wanting all those things. Thank God my mind changed from my original "plan". My plan for my rig came from watching others on trails that I couldn't do, and what setups they had. When you post things on an open forum, you are asking for advice, whether you want it or not.

If you want to post things without rebuttal, get off the forums and got start your own blog.

John, you are in business, If a customer wants you to do something that you don't agree with, do you do it the customers way, or do you complete the task "your way"?.

If something is worth doing, its worth doing right.

If you do things unsafely, even though you believe its ok only "ghetto", and someone were to get hurt, you will be liable, and possibly for negligence.
 
krehel24 said:
WHY POST????? what is your purpose in it????
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because i too am just as happy and proud of my build as the next guy.
krehel24 said:
do you see my point?
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yes i get your point...made very clear and will keep this in back of my mind for future refrence.
iwaxmyjimmy said:
sounds like you try to do different stuff without actually trying to calculate or research anything
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nope....called don't have the money for shocks so why bother looking into it until i get some, i just used what i had and dropped the mounts for them to fit
Mac5005 said:
do you do it the customers way
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of course i do it there way...most customers bring me the lift or ask my opinion of what lift to buy...then they go buy, and i install. simple. again don't fool my business/customers with my personal jeep toy that i beat on....i would think this was common sense but i guess you really take me for idiot just because of my cheap off road toy.
Mac5005 said:
If you do things unsafely
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this is .................................ahh hell not worth it. sorry to put your life in so much danger because of a 3/16thick box arm cut in half then overlapped 8"-10" on each side boxed in with 1/4angle iron and fully welded across ALL 4 sides therefor adding twice the strength of the original arm if not more. but i see a lot of you look at that 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of freak impossibility to happen and just run with it. well, more power to ya.
 
Wow, always like a train wreck. Just got to look. If nothing else these posts tell me a lot about the character of the members who post. Thank you John. If I'm ever in the Boone area I'll look you up.
 
John Fuller said:
this is .................................ahh hell not worth it. sorry to put your life in so much danger because of a 3/16thick box arm cut in half then overlapped 8"-10" on each side boxed in with 1/4angle iron and fully welded across ALL 4 sides therefor adding twice the strength of the original arm if not more. but i see a lot of you look at that 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of freak impossibility to happen and just run with it. well, more power to ya.
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You don't seem to know that regular 2"x.250 arms made out of a single manufactured piece of DOM get bent all the time. So I'll let you in on that little secret. Because knowing is half the battle.
 
shawn said:
You don't seem to know that regular 2"x.250 arms made out of a single manufactured piece of DOM get bent all the time. So I'll let you in on that little secret. Because knowing is half the battle.
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I confirm, and so can hundreds (literally) of others that it is not hard to bend a piece of .250 wall tube. Tie rods, links, driveshafts, all can and will bend at some point and that's not even accrediting weld failure!
 
f i s h said:
Am I really that slow at making connections or is this deja vu?

standalone
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We all know, but for some reason they let him back in.
 
Gotta love it when the circus comes to town!! I started watching this escalate with the lawnmower trailer post, glad I'm front row for the big show.
 
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