Lots of interesting news today

justjeepin86 said:
You don't agree that if we didn't buy cheap foreign crap, that we wouldn't have so much of it? I know where you are coming from though.
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The demand is absolutely there. I blame the boomers because they will absolutely buy the cheapest crap they can find, use it once, watch it break, and then buy another.
 
IMO

If you just start to tariff china (or whatever a country) you will just see production move to the next cheapest country, you won't see it move to the US (except in areas that no other country can produce it for cheaper). Instead of an item moving production to the US and having a price increase of 20%, it will move somewhere else to see a price increase of 10%.

Bringing stuff to the US is a great idea in theory, just like increasing minimum wage is good in theory, but in reality it just makes everything more expensive for everybody.

There is a place for cheap stuff and there is a place for quality, it just depends on the use case.

Especially right now with the economy (and I think its just a lot of overall human nature overall not just with the current economy), I don't think people care as much where something is made.

If you can buy a pair of shoes from china that cost 50 bucks, and last 1 year, vs 70 bucks in the US and last 18 months, for the same basic thing, most people I think will buy based on price. Sure long run it might be cheaper for the US made better quality product, but people don't even know half the time how long they will even use the product for. Its the same reason I'll go to Harbor Freight at times and get a tool, I know it won't last, but I also know I don't need to go buy a Milwaukee because I won't be using it all the time. People have always been able to find US made things if they really cared (for most items), they just don't want to pay the price for it, I honestly don't really know if the demand is there anymore (overall).
 
Noel said:
We’ve already been biting that problem without shit being made here. Why not make it for a real reason.
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that was happening for a different reason though, this will compound against it.
Not saying it isn't necessary, only that it isn't going to be fun.
 
jeepinmatt said:
No, he means that so much of our dollars flow to
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That by the time its all done, theres not enough left to live a comfortable life on what should be a comfortable income.
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Oh I misunderstood and was thinking only the tax on goods.
Anyhow
Thats a great meme.
But I also just went through and counted 22 of them that I either have never, or have not in the last few years paid at all. Most of these are specific to a topic and used to fund that thing.
Of course the option is we just don't have the things that the list of things pay for.
Or we have 1 massive single taxing authority that handles everything and levies a single tax.
Which is better?

i also think this is probably a better garage discussion
 
I keep hearing
jeepinmatt said:
The demand is absolutely there. I blame the boomers because they will absolutely buy the cheapest crap they can find, use it once, watch it break, and then buy another.
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I keep hearing in lowes and even my in laws when told that something is only going to last x years and it wouldn’t be that much more expensive… “I won’t be living there at that time anyway” as if nothing could be passed down or of value to future generations. America has fully adopted a throw away society.

Similarly, the guy refinishing my hardwood floors told me he’s been doing almost all lvp jobs recently and the last job he ripped up carpet to find moldy particle board subfloor and was told to just lay the lvp on top of it because it was going on the market. He complained about it, but money talks… no integrity with those trying to make a quick buck
 
jeepinmatt said:
No, he means that so much of our dollars flow to
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That by the time its all done, theres not enough left to live a comfortable life on what should be a comfortable income.
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Count Me In Lets Go GIF by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon
 
RatLabGuy said:
How do these guys keep track of their ranking? Is there liek a website with a login that has a leader board, tracks your stats etc?
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There's a blood test
 
RatLabGuy said:
How do these guys keep track of their ranking? Is there liek a website with a login that has a leader board, tracks your stats etc?
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There are ways.
 
DSM Turbos said:
IMO

If you just start to tariff china (or whatever a country) you will just see production move to the next cheapest country, you won't see it move to the US (except in areas that no other country can produce it for cheaper). Instead of an item moving production to the US and having a price increase of 20%, it will move somewhere else to see a price increase of 10%.
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This is correct. I’m fine with it scattering, I just don’t like actively feeding our enemy the capability to build things to fight us with while also being able to cripple our economy.
 
DSM Turbos said:
Bringing stuff to the US is a great idea in theory, just like increasing minimum wage is good in theory, but in reality it just makes everything more expensive for everybody.
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Yes, but the major difference is it builds the value of the dollar relative to other currencies in the global economy. Which, in turn, either lowers the cost or increases the relative buying power. Also, there are a ton of non-quantitative benefits for a process and intellectual standpoint that bring significantly more value in the long run. Minimum wage change is just shifting the number within your own economy.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Yes, but the major difference is it builds the value of the dollar relative to other currencies in the global economy. Which, in turn, either lowers the cost or increases the relative buying power. Also, there are a ton of non-quantitative benefits for a process and intellectual standpoint that bring significantly more value in the long run. Minimum wage change is just shifting the number within your own economy.
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The average person in the US reads on a 7-8th grade reading level.

Do you think people really understand this enough to care?

I don't argue your points, I argue the masses do not care and understand enough, they will shop based on price.
 
RatLabGuy said:
How do these guys keep track of their ranking? Is there liek a website with a login that has a leader board, tracks your stats etc?
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dude just calls himself King Blood

all you have to do is kill some people and call yourself Emporer Blood or whatever you want

easy!
 
DSM Turbos said:
The average person in the US reads on a 7-8th grade reading level.

Do you think people really understand this enough to care?

I don't argue your points, I argue the masses do not care and understand enough, they will shop based on price.
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Honestly that's why the masses don't make decisions for the whole.
 
Loudmouthbass said:
The difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic...almost like our forefathers had time travel capabilities and saw the movie 'Idiocracy'

Possible NSFW for language in the video
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Such a sad documentary
 
DSM Turbos said:
But they do, why else is mfg all in china?
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Because the drum your beating is resonated by humans and some are greedy, short sighted, lazy or all of the above. Insert what ever adjective or adverb and it will fit a perspective.

Doesn't mean it cannot or should not change.
 
From the Pilot (Moore County newspaper) This is from their email....article is behind a paywall, but you can see the layout design.

Commissioners Approve Uwharrie Motorsports Park Rezoning by 3-2 Vote​

After months of planning and presenting what is planned to be a more than $100 million investment in northwest Moore County, the rubber meets the road for the Uwharrie Motorsports Park and Resort after Tuesday’s county Board of Commissioners meeting.

The commissioners voted 3-2 in favor of the rezoning of nearly 400 acres of timberland off Leach Road by the Montgomery County line from rural agriculture to a planned development conditional zoning. This approval was voted on in the same motion from Board Chairman Nick Picerno that the plans for the motorsports park are consistent with the 2013 Land Use Plan by the county. Voting in favor were commissioners Jim Von Canon and Kurt Cook. Voting against were John Ritter and Frank Quis, in his last vote as a member of the Board.
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www.thepilot.com

Commissioners Approve Uwharrie Motorsports Park Rezoning by 3-2 Vote

After months of planning and presenting what is planned to be a more than $100 million investment in northwest Moore County, the rubber meets the road for the Uwharrie Motorsports
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benXJ said:
cutting down 400 acres of trees for a heavlly polluting activity is part of a 'land use policy'?

those skids were greased!
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An 11 year old policy nonetheless.

Around here the county puts out a new one of those about every 5-8 years.
 
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