Malaysia MH370

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I have been reading and studying on this missing aircraft for the past couple of days. Anybody else following it?

My best guess:

Fire or explosion onboard (if bomb, planted by ground crew, not in pax luggage) over S. China Sea at 35,000' cruising altitude. Knocked out comms and transponder (similar incident on another 777, fire in electrical cabinet did that). Rapid depressurization occurred due to damage (making explosion more likely in my mind). Pilot began execution of turn-around, did not totally complete a 180. Also clicked down elevation control on autopilot, to 29,900. Hypoxia kicked in, lost consciousness (remember the Payne Stewart learjet crash?). Plane continued on autopilot back across land near Thailand/Malaysia border. As reported, Malaysia military tracked it (unidentified aircraft -- no transponder) on radar for 100 miles (until out of national airspace). Crossed Malacca Strait. Entered airspace over Indonesia. One of two things happen here...plane continues on, and eventually runs out of fuel somewhere several hundred miles into the Indian Ocean. OR...the Indonesian military, encountering an unidentified aircraft, shoot it down, either air-to-air or a SAM. It is either scattered across the Indonesian Jungle in bits and pieces, or within 50-100 south and west of there.

How'd I do? What's your best theory?
 
kaiser715 said:
I have been reading and studying on this missing aircraft for the past couple of days. Anybody else following it?

My best guess:

Fire or explosion onboard (if bomb, planted by ground crew, not in pax luggage) over S. China Sea at 35,000' cruising altitude. Knocked out comms and transponder (similar incident on another 777, fire in electrical cabinet did that). Rapid depressurization occurred due to damage (making explosion more likely in my mind). Pilot began execution of turn-around, did not totally complete a 180. Also clicked down elevation control on autopilot, to 29,900. Hypoxia kicked in, lost consciousness (remember the Payne Stewart learjet crash?). Plane continued on autopilot back across land near Thailand/Malaysia border. As reported, Malaysia military tracked it (unidentified aircraft -- no transponder) on radar for 100 miles (until out of national airspace). Crossed Malacca Strait. Entered airspace over Indonesia. One of two things happen here...plane continues on, and eventually runs out of fuel somewhere several hundred miles into the Indian Ocean. OR...the Indonesian military, encountering an unidentified aircraft, shoot it down, either air-to-air or a SAM. It is either scattered across the Indonesian Jungle in bits and pieces, or within 50-100 south and west of there.

How'd I do? What's your best theory?
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I'm no security expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Airplane crashes cause damage. Visible damage that can be seen on satellite. It's amazing that satellite technology can allow us to see a license plate from space, but we can manage to lose a plane this size. I'd bet the plane was hijacked and has landed safely somewhere and is now being hidden. My guess is in Russia since the eyes of the world are on their interests in Crimea, they snuck in the back door.
 
I have been reading a bit into this as well. I have read several theories. I was reading the difference in flight hours between the pilot and co pilot something around 2500 hours VS. 27,000 hours.
I am leaning towards some sort lack of oxygen while the captain(s), crew, etc had oxygen or some sort of poison gas with the same scenario with the crew and captains.

Also a theory that the plane is in the jungle somewhere safe.

too many variables...but I will say this.....Funny how all the news was focused on the whole Crimea deal and then this happens ( a plane that can't be located and noone knows what happened)

Just kind of wierd if you ask me.
 
Bermuda Triangle was playing Opposite day and shifted it's powers to the exact opposite of the globe. Captured the Plane and sucked it into it's vortex. I presume it came out over the Bahamas in the year 4102 and can't get back.
 
ManglerYJ said:
Airplane crashes cause damage. Visible damage that can be seen on satellite.
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It is not where they are looking. Distance from last known location to Bejing is a few hundred miles. Reportedly, they had enough fuel onboard to go about an hour past Bejing. So...that puts them maybe 1000+ miles out into the indian ocean.

If they were shot down by Indonesia forces...it was probably over dense jungle....plane would have totally disentegrated between 29,9 and the ground....and pieces would just drop thru the tree canopy and be hidden...no debris floating to be found. A crash on land would have left massive tree damage that would be visible from air.


ManglerYJ said:
It's amazing that satellite technology can allow us to see a license plate from space, but we can manage to lose a plane this size.
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Tomnod moved 5 satellites into the S. China Sea, covering several hundred square miles of ocean. You can look at them online. But that's not where the plane is.
 
at a press conference/family meeting...water bottles were thrown at the officials....check out the Kung-Fu fighter at 0:04 (repeat at 0:27)

 
kaiser715 said:
at a press conference/family meeting...water bottles were thrown at the officials....check out the Kung-Fu fighter at 0:04 (repeat at 0:27)

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Would that have been a ningee chop or a judee chop??????


On a serious note,its concerning to me.Me and Jake are headed to Europe in May so its in the back of your mind.Im not too worried about goin over since our only stop will be in Atlanta but we will be comin straight back w no stops.I dont know how good security is at the Munich airports.My FIL has been against us goin from the start and was quick to point this out.
 
tireburner1975 said:
http://www.patriotnetdaily.com/mala...l-phones-ringing-gps-information-kept-secret/

Haven't read much on it but its interesting what I find poking around. Can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
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WOW - and I thought I had read some conspiracy theory stuff before!!!! This takes the cake. Although - it would be a lot more believable if the writer would use proper grammar. And I quote...

"Meanwhile, 20 passengers on the missing plane are world-class electronic geeks for a major Defense contracting company that specializing in such things as weapons that disappear planes and ships for the battlefield." My 3rd grader has better grammar and sentence structure. And she's not even a world-class electronics geek working for a major Defense contracting company that specializes in such things as weapons that make planes and ships disappear for the battlefield. Not yet anyway.
 
That's a pretty elaborate theory and it sounds like you have a good idea of how some of the technology and tracking devices work in the flight deck.

Based off my experience, being an Air Traffic Controller and a Pilot, I think the aircraft broke up at cruise altitude, but was still in tact enough to "blip" on the radar until the aircraft finally disintegrated and no longer appeared on their screens.

As to why nothing has been found yet, think of this. An aerodynamic object traveling at a high rate of speed suddenly loses its form, shape and the dynamics change so suddenly that the metals and material on board goes through massive G loads that it literally rips itself into millions of pretty small pieces. Now take into account the winds, and weather coditions at 29,000 feet. Trying to determine winds aloft, jet streams, and misc atmospherical conditions at that time, locating very small pieces of the aircraft become VERY hard, not to mention the probability of majority of the aircraft having sunk.

But in my opinion, you don't just lose radar signal because you turned off your transponder. The aircraft still shows up as an unidentified blip on the screen because it's a piece of metal in the sky. And the different modes give altitude references and squak codes that are given to the aircraft in their clearance before even pushing back from the gate. So I think that theory is flawed because even overtop a scarce body of water, there is still sufficient radar coverage.

Just my $.02
 
1-tonmudder said:
.I dont know how good security is at the Munich airports.
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I believe "excessive" is the right word. All of the dogs and guns in germany are in the posession of the police, and most of them are at the airports.
 
Most of them are alive, on an island that travels through time with a strange smoke monster and Good VS evil gods using them as pawns for their enjoyment...
 
ManglerYJ said:
I'm no security expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Airplane crashes cause damage. Visible damage that can be seen on satellite. It's amazing that satellite technology can allow us to see a license plate from space, but we can manage to lose a plane this size. I'd bet the plane was hijacked and has landed safely somewhere and is now being hidden. My guess is in Russia since the eyes of the world are on their interests in Crimea, they snuck in the back door.
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A conspiracy theorist after my own heart. My thoughts exactly...'they' can pin point my location from space if they wanted to, I can track my cell phone if it's ever stolen...and no one can come up with the location of a frickin airplane??? It was hijacked, someone has extensive knowledge of the electronics on the plane, and we're simply wagging the dog here to take eyes off the US/Russia tension.
 
jeepinmatt said:
I believe "excessive" is the right word. All of the dogs and guns in germany are in the posession of the police, and most of them are at the airports.
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Guess I should have said "how thorough" they are.Will they check passports versus no fly lists,homeland sec,ect???
 
Perhaps it's just a setup to Liam Neeson's next sequal, "Non-Stop 2"

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buddyantunez1 said:
That's a pretty elaborate theory and it sounds like you have a good idea of how some of the technology and tracking devices work in the flight deck.

Based off my experience, being an Air Traffic Controller and a Pilot, I think the aircraft broke up at cruise altitude, but was still in tact enough to "blip" on the radar until the aircraft finally disintegrated and no longer appeared on their screens.

As to why nothing has been found yet, think of this. An aerodynamic object traveling at a high rate of speed suddenly loses its form, shape and the dynamics change so suddenly that the metals and material on board goes through massive G loads that it literally rips itself into millions of pretty small pieces. Now take into account the winds, and weather coditions at 29,000 feet. Trying to determine winds aloft, jet streams, and misc atmospherical conditions at that time, locating very small pieces of the aircraft become VERY hard, not to mention the probability of majority of the aircraft having sunk.

But in my opinion, you don't just lose radar signal because you turned off your transponder. The aircraft still shows up as an unidentified blip on the screen because it's a piece of metal in the sky. And the different modes give altitude references and squak codes that are given to the aircraft in their clearance before even pushing back from the gate. So I think that theory is flawed because even overtop a scarce body of water, there is still sufficient radar coverage.

Just my $.02
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Here is my question(s)

How does a plane just start breaking up at cruise altitude? I am no expert, so this is why I am asking.
Also, How can you not track an airplane? even if the transponder was disabled, how can there not be a backup system for the plane? Seems pretty logical to me?
I know there are more variables. I think your guess is very plausable, just would like the details.
 
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