Malaysia MH370

1-tonmudder said:
On a serious note,its concerning to me.Me and Jake are headed to Europe in May so its in the back of your mind.Im not too worried about goin over since our only stop will be in Atlanta but we will be comin straight back w no stops.I dont know how good security is at the Munich airports.My FIL has been against us goin from the start and was quick to point this out.
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Ya, me and the family are heading to Austria on Friday. I'm trying to keep my wife from watching the news reports on this.:D
 
Cherokeekid88 said:
Here is my question(s)

How does a plane just start breaking up at cruise altitude? I am no expert, so this is why I am asking.
Also, How can you not track an airplane? even if the transponder was disabled, how can there not be a backup system for the plane? Seems pretty logical to me?
I know there are more variables. I think your guess is very plausable, just would like the details.
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Good questions. An aircraft can break up for many reasons. Faulty equipment, usually in the flight controls or flight surfaces are likely. Improper maintenance, whether it be preventative, inspection, or part replacement can also be a factor. In aircraft, some parts have a lifespan based on how many flight hours they've been on the aircraft. For example, a turbo-prop engine on let's say a Beechcraft King-Air(used for corporate companies) HAS to be overhauled at 2000 flight hours. No questions asked. Doesn't matter how good it's running at that TBO(time before overhaul) time, it has to be done for safety reasons. You can't just pull over when you have an issue at altitude.

I watched a documentary not too long ago on a regional jet being operated by United Express Airlines and an overnight mechanic crew was supposed to replace both leading edge horizontal stabilizer skin's on the tail. That's the part of the tail that creates lift and aerodynamics to control the pitch of the aircraft. Anyway, the crew finished one side a little later than scheduled and rushed the other side. They forgot to reinstall all of the hardware and the aircraft flew fine until the initial descent into their destination. The increased airspeed created enough stress on the leading edge that it ripped the part off, so that half of the tail no longer produced any lift or contol, creating an uncontrollable dive, ripping one of the wings off, becoming what we call a "powered lawn dart," unfortunately plumeting to the ground at a high rate of speed, killing everyone on board. This series is VERY interesting and if this stuff intrigues you, check it out! It's called "MAYDAY, Air Crash Incestigation." It was a TV series but full episodes are on Youtube.

The ONLY way to not be able to track an aircraft in a Radar coverage area, is to "fly below the radar." By that, it means that you literally have to fly low enough for the radar to think your aircraft is a building, car, ect. So this usually means less than 200 feet, but over a sea like that, I would guess you could lose radar coverage under 3000 feet or so, give or take. But the transponder in the aircraft doesn't work how I think you're assuming. It's essentially the receiver, and the radar station being the transmitter sending out a ping, and the transmitter sends back a pulse, letting the radar station know how far away it is, and a Mode C transponder can entail it's altitude in the ping as well. Those are required in commercial aircraft amd aircraft flying in more congested areas.

Now the transponder has adjustable code settings, in a series of 4 digit numbers, assigned by the FAA to designate your aircraft is that blip they see on the screen. So in your clearance, they will give you your "squak code" so they cam identify you on the radar. It gets much more detailed, but I can go on all day about it.

So there is not a requirement for ALL aircraft to have a transponder. For example, Older aircraft that were not equipped with them do not have to use one, but they are restricted to where they can and can't fly. But the radar can still identify their blip, as an object and estimated altitude. The radar will pick up anything of decent size in the air, whether it has a transponder or not, the transponder just helps the controller identify which blip they are on the screen.

I can go even further in detail or send you a couple links if are still intrigued, but check out that TV series I was talking about. It's cool the things you'll learn about the aviation industry amd accident investigation.
 
Skimmed through the thread, but I don't think this was mentioned.

Apparently the family members of some of the passengers have been calling the passengers phones and the phones are still ringing. Not going directly to voice mail.

Now I don't know the technology of all phones and services world wide, but seems to me if the phone line is available, it rings, if it it's then it goes right to VM. But I'd imagine by now the batteries would be dead as well. just a little thing to make you say hhhhmmmm.
 
Looks like China has reported finding debris 140mi from the last known location, in the original search area. Has not been confirmed yet. Kicker is, they reportedly found it on the 9th, 3 days ago, from a satellite image taken that day. And no plane, ship, etc has checked it yet, not even China? Largest piece is (measured from image) approx. 72x78 ft. Also now out that and oil platform worker (just one?) reported seeing a plane in flames.

I'd believe this:

There has been speculation that the secretive communist country's armed forces would have been reluctant to immediately reveal their technological capabilities to other nations involved in the search.
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Or....it gave them time to "manufacture" evidence and dump it at that location. [/conspiracy]
 
1-tonmudder said:
Would that have been a ningee chop or a judee chop??????


On a serious note,its concerning to me.Me and Jake are headed to Europe in May so its in the back of your mind.Im not too worried about goin over since our only stop will be in Atlanta but we will be comin straight back w no stops.I dont know how good security is at the Munich airports.My FIL has been against us goin from the start and was quick to point this out.
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The GSG9 over in Germany do not play around. I know they used to be the security at the airports. I know they were pretty on their game for looking at all your shit over there also.

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I don't buy the terrorist/kidnapping kinds of theories.
Why would you blow up/hijack a plane, and not make any kind of announcement, take credit, etc? Thats the way it always works. There's nothing to be gained (as a terrorist group) if people don't know that there was a person or some kind of purpose behind it and they think it was just some kind of random accident. That doesn't induce terror.
You hijack a plane full of people... and just keep it and don't tell anybody?

I would completely believe China having some indication of it immediately but being hesitant to come forward b/c of not wanting to let the world know about their technological prowess... thats very much how they operate.
 
RatLabGuy said:
I would completely believe China having some indication of it immediately but being hesitant to come forward b/c of not wanting to let the world know about their technological prowess... thats very much how they operate.
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Actually I'll take this one step farther... I could also believe that the US and even other ally countries had the same or better images and could have found it or even did, but would not admit they had that level of imaging detail/surveillance in that region... thus forced to wait until China admitted it first then "Oh yeah turns out you're right, look at that..."
 
Jake. said:
It is all a hoax. No plane ever went missing.
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It's a hoax , but I'm sure plane full of people did disappear into a military hanger. And I'm sure people were dealt with to make it believable.

This would not be the first plane that took off and disappeared with family's missing a loved one. Look at the Pentagon.
 
Man I think a lot of ya'll are overanalyzing it. Planes don't disapear in today's day and age. So many weather and human factor possibilities fall into this category
 
RatLabGuy said:
I don't buy the terrorist/kidnapping kinds of theories.
Why would you blow up/hijack a plane, and not make any kind of announcement, take credit, etc? Thats the way it always works. There's nothing to be gained (as a terrorist group) if people don't know that there was a person or some kind of purpose behind it and they think it was just some kind of random accident. That doesn't induce terror.
You hijack a plane full of people... and just keep it and don't tell anybody?

I would completely believe China having some indication of it immediately but being hesitant to come forward b/c of not wanting to let the world know about their technological prowess... thats very much how they operate.
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No one took credit for 9 / 11. Yet shaped our country and mid east futures. As well as no one taking credit for London bus bombings.

Just saying. When terriorist do it they want credit. Give it time and the government will let us know "who did it"
 
mbalbritton said:
Skimmed through the thread, but I don't think this was mentioned.

Apparently the family members of some of the passengers have been calling the passengers phones and the phones are still ringing. Not going directly to voice mail.

Now I don't know the technology of all phones and services world wide, but seems to me if the phone line is available, it rings, if it it's then it goes right to VM. But I'd imagine by now the batteries would be dead as well. just a little thing to make you say hhhhmmmm.
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How recently was this being done? last couple of days?
if so, thats crazy.

I know there are thousands of theories out there of what happened...but all this is too strange to just be a normal plane crash...unless it was and noone knows where to look.
I do like the theory of the US already knowing where the plane is but not wanting to disclose the tech on how we found it.

For those saying its a hoax, are you saying it is to take the focus off Cremia?
 
Cory said:
No one took credit for 9 / 11. Yet shaped our country and mid east futures.
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Actually almost immediately there were several groups taking credit for it, the problem was actually combing through who was just lying to further their cause.
 
http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_17.htm this is a website of facts , not telling you what to think, it list facts of 9/11 unarguable facts.

No one would touch blame for 9/11 not even Osama, and the video of "osama" is clearly not him if you've ever seen a picture of him.

Our gov't assigned blame on day one that it was Osama



Our gov't planned and carried out 9/11.
 
Cory said:
http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_17.htm this is a website of facts , not telling you what to think, it list facts of 9/11 unarguable facts.

No one would touch blame for 9/11 not even Osama, and the video of "osama" is clearly not him if you've ever seen a picture of him.

Our gov't assigned blame on day one that it was Osama



Our gov't planned and carried out 9/11.
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Wow...

really?

wow.

I didnt think people got this stupid in real life. That website is full of propoganda bull shit created by "truthers" and in fact 2 hours after the second crash CNN was airing the claim videos. People who post stupid shit like this are an insult to all the Americans who have given their lives fighting for your right to say stupid shit like this without the government plucking you out of your house and making you disappear.

I can absolutely argue many of those "facts" so they are not in fact unarguable.
 
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Cory said:
Prove them wrong with facts then Ron.
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.... seriously?

:lol:

9/11 truthers are the fucking worst.

How about this? A very good personal friend of ours was standing in the pentagon parking lot when Flight 77 flew over his head and crashed into the building.

/truthbomb
 
Is this the chewbacca defense?

You state "their facts are unarguable" The fact that they themseves provide arguments for everyone means they are in fact arguable.
The fact that they are factually wrong is a whole other issue.

I do not have to prove them wrong with facts to prove them "unarguable" (sic)

I refuse to visit your website link as I do not wish to lend credibility and page visits to such garbage. But without viewing lets guess...

"The planes were not very full...les than 30% that never happened"

In fact pre- 9/11 and subsequent airline financial disaster sub 30% flights were pretty common. Ask them to provide "facts" how "rare" this phenomenon was.

Let me give you a hint.

On September 2, 2001 I flew from NY to LA on a 9AM non stop flight. There were maybe...MAYBE 40 others on this flight. September 13 would have been a Thursday. I was set to make the same flight again. It was a regular deal for me then.

Another Bull Shit 'WTC 7 fell and a plane never hit it'

The video clearly shows peices of WTC 2 hitting 7 and the debris field lead a straight line to it.

WTC 4,5,6 were pulled down to avoid collapse by hydraulic cranes and winch cables...but for some reason 7 had to be exploded.

Come on man...be smarter than that.
 
shawn said:
.... seriously?

:lol:

9/11 truthers are the fucking worst.

How about this? A very good personal friend of ours was standing in the pentagon parking lot when Flight 77 flew over his head and crashed into the building.

/truthbomb
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88 videos missing , 5 frames released. Showing nothing

No debris
Waaaay to small a hole for a 757 ....




Truthbomb?
 
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