Obamacare

To me the way he marketed this was equal health care for everyone. In my opinion it should be a flat rate for everyone not based on what you make. Others wise it is just penalizing hard working people by having them pay for people who aren't willing to do what they have done
 
Cory said:
The only reason a helicopter ride is 80k is because you have insurance. That's the problem

It's a fail system

More people buy in the worst it gets.
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No a Heli ride costs 80k because an outfitted medicopter costs about $2,000,000 (at least according to the last guy I talked to who personally bought one)...plus you get to fuel the thing, insure it, pay for the right to park it on the hospital, and pay the doc and pilot who are on it on standby hopefully 23 hours a day for the 1 hour its needed.

Now insurance has become a bit of a scam and a cyclical inflation machine...but thinking you can have hip surgery for less than $5k is unrealistic. Heck the drugs they gave you cost close to what you paid to manufacture. There is a reason America has had the best healthcare in the world for a while...just wait until thisnew system fixes everything.

The UK has had public healthcare for decades...people beg for privatized health there.

A friend of mine is a very successful business owner and originally from the UK. Recently he flew his mom to the US for a week and flew her back. I asked why (he and his mom dont get along...at all) well turns out she had bronchitis and he brought her here to get her medicine. See last year she got bronchitis (she is 87 and a lifelong smoker...another rant) and the 6 week wait it took to see a general practicioner it developed into pneumonia and she nearly died. She still hasnt recovered. This year they were much less busy the wait to see a doctor was ONLY 4 week..so he flew her tot he US, took her to see a doc and got a weeks worth of omixocillin and sent her home after she finished her script.
 
They lied about it to get it passed, over and over again. They force it on us, but are not participating themselves so apparently it's not good enough for elitists. Furthermore can anyone name one program they've created in decades that functions well and is efficient/cost effective. I don't trust them to run a damn lemonade stand let alone EVERYONE'S healthcare. We need some type of reform for healthcare, this is NOT the solution.
 
Those paying child support can thank Obamacare for the extra 8 years it just tacked on to your payments. Thanks to the mandate that children be covered on parents insurance until they are 26 most courts are viewing this as the non custodial parent is financially responsible for the child until that point as well since it is a cost the custodial parent will be incurring.
 
4 million to operate a helicopter over 1 year aint shit when your charging 80k-200k for a ride on average used 3 times a week ( I'm sure that on the low side ). That's well over a 100 million in a year. That's reasonable ...... For your at most 4 million investment for a year
 
Cory said:
4 million to operate a helicopter over 1 year aint shit when your charging 80k-200k for a ride on average used 3 times a week ( I'm sure that on the low side ). That's well over a 100 million in a year. That's reasonable ...... For your at most 4 million investment for a year
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What dumbass would pay 80k-200k to ride on a helicopter?
 
Cory said:
4 million to operate a helicopter over 1 year aint shit when your charging 80k-200k for a ride on average used 3 times a week ( I'm sure that on the low side ). That's well over a 100 million in a year. That's reasonable ...... For your at most 4 million investment for a year
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Cory,
Let me ask a question.

How much experience do you have with med copters?

There are others in the community much more versed than I, but your numbers are proposterus and bad math.

80,000 x 3 x 52 = 12,000,000 not "well over 100MM"

In a very large city a med copter may well run more than 3 times per week. But in a city the size of Charlotte, the average one probably runs 5-6 calls/month.

And remember there are 4 hospital companies in Charlotte, each ahs their own medcopter contract.
 
Cory said:
I had no surgery.
And that's a crock that we have best healthcare lol keep believing that.
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and again...how many other countries have you visited and had health care in?

This feels just like the thread where you were spewing crap about American manufacturing "all moving to China" and once presented with facts that the companies you mentioned were global you replied "didnt know that, thanks."
 
Ron said:
Cory,
Let me ask a question.

How much experience do you have with med copters?

There are others in the community much more versed than I, but your numbers are proposterus and bad math.

80,000 x 3 x 52 = 12,000,000 not "well over 100MM"

In a very large city a med copter may well run more than 3 times per week. But in a city the size of Charlotte, the average one probably runs 5-6 calls/month.

And remember there are 4 hospital companies in Charlotte, each ahs their own medcopter contract.
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I agree about the math, but highly disagree about the calls/month. I swear I see the CMC helicopter fly over once a week, and I'm 25 miles from there. So unless all of their calls are in Cherryville and only occur during daylight while I'm outside and at home, I'd be they are flying a couple times a day.
 
Cory said:
Yeah I'm s moron.... And Obama care is good.


I'm done
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1 + 1 = Asparagus.

No Obamacare is a disaster. However not because medivac charges too much.
 
jeepinmatt said:
I agree about the math, but highly disagree about the calls/month. I swear I see the CMC helicopter fly over once a week, and I'm 25 miles from there. So unless all of their calls are in Cherryville and only occur during daylight while I'm outside and at home, I'd be they are flying a couple times a day.
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In Charlotte you have
CMC chain which is part of the CHS chain.
Presbyterian campuses which are Novant chains.
Caromont Chains
Tenet Chains

Just off the top of my head there are 4 chains and each has AT LEAST 1 med bird.

Lots of flights are maintenance, training flights or staff transport I.E. non paid flights.

Plus there is a difference between a patient transport flight and a emergency response flight in the number of personnel on board and therefor the expense.

But yeah I am probably a bit low at 5-6 month for a big city....now I wonder how often that Helicopter in Gaffney SC or Morganton gets up in the air?
 
Ron said:
In Charlotte you have
CMC chain which is part of the CHS chain.
Presbyterian campuses which are Novant chains.
Caromont Chains
Tenet Chains

Just off the top of my head there are 4 chains and each has AT LEAST 1 med bird.

Lots of flights are maintenance, training flights or staff transport I.E. non paid flights.

Plus there is a difference between a patient transport flight and a emergency response flight in the number of personnel on board and therefor the expense.

But yeah I am probably a bit low at 5-6 month for a big city....now I wonder how often that Helicopter in Gaffney SC or Morganton gets up in the air?
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Remember, all dem big charlotte hospitals are serving the dumbassery of the surrounding counties, and there is a lot of dumbassery in the surrounding counties. And I don't know the difference in the personnel requirements for a PTF vs an ERF, but I bet since I termed them into acronyms people wonder if I might.
 
If you make between 12k-50k a year and you are single or have a family you understand. I cant explain to.people who could already afford health care , most Americans can't.

Over 90% of the uninsured will never be able to afford the cost.
 
The problem lies in the fact that healthcare is a billion, if not trillion, dollar business. The healthcare field is one of the largest employers in the country. At the expense of the public health, health care grew in order to provide jobs. Healthcare reform should have taken the form of a flat rate plan, automatically deducted from the paycheck, like FICA. You want more? You pay more. As it stands, Medicaid does not accomplish what it should. Complete restructuring of Medicaid should have been the first step, with a nationalized health care plan instituted after.

I believe the Affordable Care Act started in the right direction, but was derailed by lobbyists and congressional disagreement which changed the entire scope. People who blame the failure on one party or the other fail to understand that the problem is that Congress has stopped working for the constituent, and has instead reverted to a pissing match. Folks are quick to blame the President, when he is but a single player in a large game. Until the Government can learn to work as a cohesive entity, they will continue to fail the people.
 
Ron said:
In Charlotte you have
CMC chain which is part of the CHS chain.
Presbyterian campuses which are Novant chains.
Caromont Chains
Tenet Chains

Just off the top of my head there are 4 chains and each has AT LEAST 1 med bird.

Lots of flights are maintenance, training flights or staff transport I.E. non paid flights.

Plus there is a difference between a patient transport flight and a emergency response flight in the number of personnel on board and therefor the expense.

But yeah I am probably a bit low at 5-6 month for a big city....now I wonder how often that Helicopter in Gaffney SC or Morganton gets up in the air?
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I live In waynesville very close to the hospital I'd say it flys towards Asheville 2-3 times a week
 
Cory said:
If you make between 12k-50k a year and you are single or have a family you understand. I cant explain to.people who could already afford health care , most Americans can't.

Over 90% of the uninsured will never be able to afford the cost.
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Neither will the people you say can afford it because they are now forced to fund the ones that cannot.....
 
If you have insurance or not, a hospital cannot refuse to see you simply because you can't pay if
flatbedtoy said:
What dumbass would pay 80k-200k to ride on a helicopter?
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Any idea what Marine 1 is costing us?!?!? I know it's not just one helicopter, it's whatever helo the president happens to be on, but still...
 
Your not forced you choose to buy into a corrupt system, prolonging the failure.

Buying into Obamacare and saying your against it Is what wrong with this damn country.
 
Macdaddy4738 said:
The problem lies in the fact that healthcare is a billion, if not trillion, dollar business. The healthcare field is one of the largest employers in the country. At the expense of the public health, health care grew in order to provide jobs. Healthcare reform should have taken the form of a flat rate plan, automatically deducted from the paycheck, like FICA. You want more? You pay more. As it stands, Medicaid does not accomplish what it should. Complete restructuring of Medicaid should have been the first step, with a nationalized health care plan instituted after.
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This is absolutely NOT how economics work. If anything, it is the exact opposite. No industry "grows to provide jobs", except perhaps for government itself.

Folks are also frequently conflating healthcare with healthcare insurance. They are not the same thing.
 
Cory said:
And that's a crock that we have best healthcare lol keep believing that.
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Holy shit.... :eek:

Yeah, there isn't any point in having a discussion with you if you're so ignorant of the facts and even hostile toward them.
 
ManglerYJ said:
If you have insurance or not, a hospital cannot refuse to see you simply because you can't pay if


Any idea what Marine 1 is costing us?!?!? I know it's not just one helicopter, it's whatever helo the president happens to be on, but still...
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That's a perfect example of why the government needs to stay out of our healthcare.
 
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