Obamacare

Cory said:
ask Ron he's the one paying 122 per person.
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I was staying out but since you called me out directly l will answer this so you dont run off thinking you somehow out smarted me.

I pay $144.92 every two weeks for insurance.
(That is not x2 I get paid bi-weekly not bi monthly so...
144.92*26 = $3,767.92 PER YEAR.
$3,767.92/12 = $313.99 PER MONTH
$313.00/4 = $78.50 PER PERSON PER MONTH)

Now that is what I pay. My employer picks up a charge of $941.97 PER MONTH. And they then pay a penalty to the feds because they have deemed my insurance to be a "cadillac plan" and too god for the average American. My company chooses to pay that penalty to take care of their employees.

So Congrats insurance costs you less than half what it costs for me. Because of my skills, talents, abilities and performance my company chooses to pay a portion of my premium.

But I am just "lucky" right?
No. Bull SHIT. I busted my ass in thsi industry for a decade on a 100% commission job and EARNED a reputation for myself. A reputation that about a year ago caused my current employer to call me up and say "We want you on our team."

You want to talk hard times...let's go.
7 foster homes before the age of 5. Then reunited with my mom. Then sat on a step dad's lap while he blew his brains out. Then kicked out of the hosue at 12 because mom found a new step. Then legally emancipated at 14. Liead about my age to work a 3rd shift job at a manufacturing plant WHILE I WENT TO HS and made a 3.75. Earned a football scholarship to college...finally things are looking up, right? No 1 year in I destroy my knee requiring my econd total reconstruction at the ripe old age of 19. I worked full time and graduated in 4 years. 1 Semester later I earned my second degree. (Foresty and Electrical Engineering how is that for a combo...) at 21 I became a dad unplanned. Trojan wasnt perfect. At 22 I took a job and moved my wife and 1 month old son to NJ to better myself. Upon arriving I had been scammed. I at acros from a loan officer with tears in my eyes and beggd for a loan for $1,000...a man with no job asking for a loan. Why? Because my 1 month old was out of formula, my wife was on medication that made breast feeding impossible witout killing my son. I got theloan and he got fed. I swore on that day it would be the last time any child of mine ever wondered where their next meal would come from..I had done it too much growing up. I used the balance of the $1,000 (minus 6 cans of formula "just to be safe") to get my ass back to SC. I went to work stocking shelves at Wal Mart 3rd shift 2 days later....a guy with 2 bachelors degrees stocking shelves at wal mart...imagine that. During the day I started my electical business. By 24 life was good. Then 9/11. The industry crashed. I was left with 1.5MM in materials and cancelled POs from my customers. We shut the doors/sold the business and paid off every debtor every red cent. I went to work installing alarms systems, crawling under houses in busted sewer pipes and general filth for $10/hr. Within a year I was operations manager...I wasnt happy and went looking while working. I found the industry I am in now and set about busting my ass there.

So yeah. Some things in life come easy to my kids. I will not now or ever apologize for that. Because they come easy on the sweat, calluoses, grey hair and strain on my back. While you bitch about how unfair life is, I go to work. If it isnt enough Ill pick up another job.

Frankly, you pissed me off last night calling me greedy..then you back pedaled and said..."well not you specifically" Now this time you put my name in the comment.

Lets look at a tax return here on my computer. It says last year I donated some $12,000 to charitable organizations...and I am not counting the forced entitlement FICA, MEdicare Bullshit the goverment stole from me to support. That doesnt include picking up the mortgage note for a friend twice who got sick while her husband was in Afghanistan. Do I have the means to be able to give back? You are damn right. And I do. To hard working people who need a hand up. Ill help anyone once, maybe twice after that it is on them.

Cory, I dont know how old you are. I dont really care. But before you come on a public forum and call someone out you should take a few minutes to learn what you are talking about. You come across in this thread as immature and childish. Most of your "points" are half thoughts presented in sentence fragments and some are down right incoherent. Maybe you are drunk when you typed some of them. I dont know. But this world has a funny way of making circles. If you take nothng from this forum or me ever please take this. Be careful who you throw stones at, this world is small. This community is smaller. It is my experience everyone comes in your life crosshairs twice. Often the power dynamics are reversed the second time around. Remember that bank teller early on in my story? That one that maybe took a few liberties with a loan application..she and I stayed in contact through the years. She received a Christmas card from me every year until 2008. She was killed in a car wreck in 2009. I was a pall bearer at her funeral. Her son told me a fascinating story. He and I stayed in touch. I got him a job 2 years ago with my former employer. His wife was 7 months pregnant at the time, his company had gone out of business, the doctor had wrote his wife out of work and they were scared they were going to lose their house. Today life is good for him and his wife and their son named Ron.

Now you know more about my history than you ever cared to. Frankly several friends who have known me for years will read this and learn more about me than they ever knew. There is a better than 50% chance at some point I will regret putting myself out there like this and delete this post but you struck a nerve with me with your comments.

Now...I am done witht his thread.

Ron
 
I deleted my comment because I think Ron's post that came in as I was typing is a much better way to close this thread.
 
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He personally pays $314 per month and his employer pays an additional $920 (plus a penalty)for a total of $1234 for a family of 4, per month...

Other than reason, whats the difference if his company subsidizes his insurance (because they can and value his commitment) or if the govt does it for you?


I'm still not entirely sure what your point is other than to troll the thread with idiocracy.
 
My point is exactly what you all against


Affordable health care for everyone

Which requires a equal % paid by everyone.


But I get it , poor people are lazy ass cunts and they just don't try.

You all are cold hearted.

To compair health insurance to cars homes and tires is ridiculous
 
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Cory,ummmm,you been reading up on karl Marx?

I. Bourgeois and Proletarians
The first chapter of the Manifesto, "Bourgeois and Proletarians", examines the Marxist conception of history, with the initial idea asserting that "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles".[3] It goes on to say that in capitalism, the working class, proletariat, are fighting in the class struggle against the owners of the means of production, the bourgeois, and that past class struggle ended either with revolution that restructured society, or "common ruin of the contending classes".[3]
It continues by adding that the bourgeois exploits the proletariat through the "constant revolutionising of production [and] uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions".[3]
The Manifesto explains that the reason the bourgeois exist and exploit the proletariat with low wages is private property, "the accumulation of wealth in private hands, the formation and increase of capital",[3] and that wage labor is created entirely by competition among the workers.[3]
This section further explains that the proletarians will eventually rise to power through class struggle: the bourgeoisie constantly exploits the proletariat for its manual labour and cheap wages, ultimately to create profit for the bourgeois; the proletariat rise to power through revolution against the bourgeoisie such as riots or creation of unions. The Communist Manifesto states that while there is still class struggle amongst society, capitalism will be overthrown by the proletariat only to start again in the near future; ultimately communism is the key to class equality amongst the citizens of Europe.
II. Proletarians and Communists
The second section, "Proletarians and Communists", starts by stating the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class, declaring that they will not form a separate party that opposes other working-class parties, will express the interests and general will of the proletariat as a whole, and will distinguish themselves from other working-class parties by always expressing the common interest of the entire proletariat independently of all nationalities and representing the interests of the movement as a whole.[14]
The section goes on to defend communism from various objections, such as the claim that communists advocate "free love", and the claim that people will not perform labour in a communist society because they have no incentive to work.[14] The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands:
  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.[15]
The implementation of these policies would, as believed by Marx and Engels, be a precursor to the stateless and classless society.[14] In a controversial passage they suggested that the "proletariat" might in competition with the bourgeoisie be compelled to organise as a class, form a revolution, make itself a ruling class, sweep away the old conditions of production, and in that step have abolished its own supremacy as a class.[14] This account of the transition from socialism to communism was criticised particularly during and after the Soviet era.
III. Socialist and Communist Literature
The third section, "Socialist and Communist Literature," distinguishes communism from other socialist doctrines prevalent at the time the Manifesto was written.[16] While the degree of reproach of Marx and Engels toward rival perspectives varies, all are dismissed for advocating reformism and failing to recognise the preeminent role of the working class.
IV. Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Opposition Parties
The concluding section, "Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Opposition Parties", briefly discusses the communist position on struggles in specific countries in the mid-nineteenth century such as France, Switzerland, Poland, and Germany, and declares that Germany "is on the eve of a bourgeois revolution",[17] and predicts that a world revolution will soon follow.[17] It then ends by declaring an alliance with the social democrats, boldly supporting other communist revolutions, and calling the proletarians to action, ending with the rallying cry of communism, "Workers of the world, unite!".[17]
Reception
Praise
The revolutionary wave throughout Europe in 1848, which began in France in February and immediately spread to most of Europe and parts of Latin America,[18] owed nothing to The Communist Manifesto, but within a year the revolutions collapsed.[19] Subsequently, traditional authorities found in The Communist Manifesto and its contents a good excuse for action against its authors. As a consequence, Marx and his wife were arrested and expelled from Belgium, the German daily newspaper published
 
I'm not cold hearted; I'm sick and tired of working my ass off, out of town away from my family to pay for some lazy ass to sit at home and have health insurance that is the same as me (or even better) and get it for cheaper because they are too lazy to get a job.

Get a job and get to work and take care of yourself and your family.
 
Chairman Mao called and he wants his little red book back.
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Cory said:
My point is exactly what you all against


Affordable health care for everyone

Which requires a equal % paid by everyone.


But I get it , poor people are lazy ass cunts and they just don't try.

You all are cold hearted.

To compair health insurance to cars homes and tires is ridiculous
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I normally don't try and purposely insult people but I have to ask are you slow or mentally impaired?
 
Cory said:
Affordable health care for everyone

Which requires a equal % paid by everyone.
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I feel like we'd be going in circles if this was addressed again

Cory said:
But I get it , poor people are lazy ass cunts and they just don't try.
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Those coaches and teachers you were talking about earlier are available to everyone until the ripe old age of 18...if you don't capitalize on it, that's on you.

Cory said:
You all are cold hearted.
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Now you're getting it...I really am a rat bastard

Cory said:
To compair health insurance to cars homes and tires is ridiculous
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Not sure how it's any different...you want what I have, at a discounted price. Doesn't matter if it's insurance, hookers, blow or cow manure. I shouldn't have to work to support what you want...and you shouldn't get the same thing as people that worked harder to get where they're at than you.
 
I love this forum because it's not pirate4x4. Thank God for that.
This should be in the garage. My opinion only.
Name calling=Small ego and low iq.
Your results may vary.
Paul...
 
This reminds me of a jeepster thread.
 
I do not support welfare
I do not support food stamps
I do not support free housing

I do support affordable health care.

I believe in a lot of other countries systems
And wish ours would do the same.

To tax someone for not having insurance is crazy.

If the rich don't think the insurance they are getting is good enough I said there should be a private sector.

I don't see why its unreasonable when so many countries do it.

I'm sorry.

I will not bring up my mental illness again.
 
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Cory said:
To fine someone for not having insurance is crazy.
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It is not a fine, it is a tax. Period.
1% of your gross income if you do not comply with the ACA.
 
Thread should end here.
I bet it won't though.
 
Cory said:
I do not support welfare
I do not support food stamps
I do not support free housing
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YES you do,granted its probably not voluntarily but you do support it w your tax dollars.
 
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