Showing their true colors

jeepinmatt said:
Great, so now the criminals would have to steal guns and bracelets. Oh wait, I think those are already on the to-steal list. :shaking:
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So now we have to change the saying:

"You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers...and cut off my bracelet"
 
What happens when some bad dude breaks into your house at night when everybody is asleep? Wait, let me unlock the 15 locks on my weapon and put on my braclet. BS! I just wanna grab the 1911 off my nightstand and protect my family.

Are they gonna make camo braclets so my 870 will work? What about a nice looking braclet for when I go out with my family for my CC piece? What about a tactical braclet that has a picitanny rail to hold a spare magazine for my big black scary gun? Or how about make it neon orange with a flashing light that tells everybody around you that you are legally carrying concealed.

This is just dumb.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
What happens when some bad dude breaks into your house at night when everybody is asleep? Wait, let me unlock the 15 locks on my weapon and put on my braclet. BS! I just wanna grab the 1911 off my nightstand and protect my family.

Are they gonna make camo braclets so my 870 will work? What about a nice looking braclet for when I go out with my family for my CC piece? What about a tactical braclet that has a picitanny rail to hold a spare magazine for my big black scary gun? Or how about make it neon orange with a flashing light that tells everybody around you that you are legally carrying concealed.

This is just dumb.
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So I'm not in favor of this admin or this as a requirement by any means - but in theory it could be a good idea.
Keep in mind how technology works. Models today might be a separate bracelet, but there's no reason you couldn't just have the RF chip built into your wrist watch. Or a belt buckle, a shirt button... Don't know about you but I always wear a watch, only take it off for shower etc.

RFID devices only need to be within range to work, and you could fix the range to say 6'.

Technically this opens up a whole new supply/demand realm of RF integration into existing things.
And if it is just built in subtly - no thief would know what to steal with the gun.

The biggest hurdle IMO is that it has to work 100.00% of the time. First time somebody is unable to use their weapon in self defense b/c of being locked out, and gets overtaken there will be hell to pay.
 
RatLabGuy said:
So I'm not in favor of this admin or this as a requirement by any means - but in theory it could be a good idea.
Keep in mind how technology works. Models today might be a separate bracelet, but there's no reason you couldn't just have the RF chip built into your wrist watch. Or a belt buckle, a shirt button... Don't know about you but I always wear a watch, only take it off for shower etc.

RFID devices only need to be within range to work, and you could fix the range to say 6'.

Technically this opens up a whole new supply/demand realm of RF integration into existing things.
And if it is just built in subtly - no thief would know what to steal with the gun.

The biggest hurdle IMO is that it has to work 100.00% of the time. First time somebody is unable to use their weapon in self defense b/c of being locked out, and gets overtaken there will be hell to pay.
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I think it would just be opening doors to places we don't want to go. If i jump up at nite to investigate a noise/breaking and entering I darn sure am not thinking about looking for my jewelry, just my light and my fire!!
 
RatLabGuy said:
So I'm not in favor of this admin or this as a requirement by any means - but in theory it could be a good idea.
Keep in mind how technology works. Models today might be a separate bracelet, but there's no reason you couldn't just have the RF chip built into your wrist watch. Or a belt buckle, a shirt button... Don't know about you but I always wear a watch, only take it off for shower etc.

RFID devices only need to be within range to work, and you could fix the range to say 6'.

Technically this opens up a whole new supply/demand realm of RF integration into existing things.
And if it is just built in subtly - no thief would know what to steal with the gun.

The biggest hurdle IMO is that it has to work 100.00% of the time. First time somebody is unable to use their weapon in self defense b/c of being locked out, and gets overtaken there will be hell to pay.
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you dont want to go there.

I bet $100 these bracelets will have GPS tracking, time, date stamps and they could easily have sound recording built into them..

this would just make BIG govt even bigger..for anyone that does not see the writing on the wall going down this road you are in for a shock if stuff like this gets passed into law
 
Lets pass more gun laws, because we all know how well criminals are at obeying the law.
 
BRUISER said:
you dont want to go there.

I bet $100 these bracelets will have GPS tracking, time, date stamps and they could easily have sound recording built into them..

this would just make BIG govt even bigger..for anyone that does not see the writing on the wall going down this road you are in for a shock if stuff like this gets passed into law
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Large planes have tracking devices too, and apparently they can be lost as well.
 
What if I take a bullet when investigating that bad dude breaking into my house? My wife will have to stand over my body to use my weapon. What if I am out of town wearing my watch or whatever and my wife needs to use my weapon? What if I am in my shop working with no watch, ring, etc and I need to use my weapon?
 
BRUISER said:
you dont want to go there.

I bet $100 these bracelets will have GPS tracking, time, date stamps and they could easily have sound recording built into them..
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you mean like every cell phone does?
Yet everybody walks around w/ those and don't even think twice.

it sounds like you're assuming these are "government issued" devices. But in reality its much more likely they (government) would just make the law requiring such devices to exist or be used. That leaves it up to the private manufacturers to make them with or without the extra spying equipment.. and since they'd have to be made by the gun mfrs, or at the very least in partnership with them... I'd lay a bet there would be a lot of scrutiny and mistrust going on there keeping the "bugs" at bay.
 
If they want to insist that we all have an RF device attached to our car keys to keep my wife from losing hers all the fricken time, I'm all for it. But this just sounds dumb. I'm not pro-gun and I'm not anti-gun, but it just sounds dumb.

On the other hand, lets pass a law that if a gun is used in the commission of a crime, then it's mandatory life in prison, I doubt that people on either side of the pro-gun/anti-gun aisle will balk too much. Punish HARSHLY the people that actually use guns to commit crimes instead of letting them plea bargain it all away and maybe criminals will think twice about pulling one, but in the meantime, leave those who actually civilly own guns for their own protection and enjoyment alone.
 
Think about it........if the gun needed the bracelet to fire and was monitored/manipulated like a cellphone they could disable it at will or disable/disarm ALL gun owners (their ultimate goal). They would have to ban/confiscate all the old weapons for any impact of this stupid idea and that ain't gonna be easy or effective. This idea is ABSOLUTLY INFRINGEMENT, they know it, and they don't give a damn.
 
The article says they could disable them in certain areas, like schools.
Question is, what do you do with the millions of existing weapons?
 
sgtbriangreen said:
What if I take a bullet when investigating that bad dude breaking into my house? My wife will have to stand over my body to use my weapon. What if I am out of town wearing my watch or whatever and my wife needs to use my weapon? What if I am in my shop working with no watch, ring, etc and I need to use my weapon?
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If you take a bullet and your wife needs your weapon, she has to get it from your dead body anyway. Or a simple solution is a pair or set of activating RF devices. If you're out of town, and want your wife to use the weapon, you leave the matching device too... or again, she has her own... and probably her own weapon too.

Now Mommucked has a good pint re: automatic disabling. I'm sure the argument would be "Well that means cops could make raids a whole lot safer by sending in The Pulse first", but yes certainly that is a scary situation indeed.
 
ManglerYJ said:
On the other hand, lets pass a law that if a gun is used in the commission of a crime, then it's mandatory life in prison, I doubt that people on either side of the pro-gun/anti-gun aisle will balk too much. Punish HARSHLY the people that actually use guns to commit crimes instead of letting them plea bargain it all away and maybe criminals will think twice about pulling one, but in the meantime, leave those who actually civilly own guns for their own protection and enjoyment alone.
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btw the great state of Maryland has a lot of laws like this, increasing the punishment to deter crimes... and gun crimes in particular... and guess what... we still have ridiculous gun crime statistics.
The big problem w/ that theory is that people committing crimes typically assume they won't get caught... so the punishment is irrelevant.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
What if I take a bullet when investigating that bad dude breaking into my house? My wife will have to stand over my body to use my weapon. What if I am out of town wearing my watch or whatever and my wife needs to use my weapon? What if I am in my shop working with no watch, ring, etc and I need to use my weapon?
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btw here's a funny semi-related story.
Several years ago I went to a big conference in Atlanta w/ a friend. He brought his wife & kids, in their new Prius. He was all proud of the RF-based keyless ignition thing.
Well one day she drove us to the conference center, we jumped out of the car and went inside.
a minute later he got a call from his wife... furious... b/c when he walked away, the car shut off - he still had the fob in his pocket. She was getting yelled at by bus drivers for blocking the dropoff lane, lol.

So... yeah... I get it ;-)
 
RatLabGuy said:
btw the great state of Maryland has a lot of laws like this, increasing the punishment to deter crimes... and gun crimes in particular... and guess what... we still have ridiculous gun crime statistics.
The big problem w/ that theory is that people committing crimes typically assume they won't get caught... so the punishment is irrelevant.
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No, the problem is that the legal system allows those laws to be plea bargained away. Put a law in place that actually has teeth and it will put the people in jail that committed the crimes. Take away the lawyering and the system may just work the way it was intended. As stated, criminals don't think they will get caught, otherwise they would never commit crimes. What you do with them after they have been caught and convicted is how you reduce crime.
 
RatLabGuy said:
So I'm not in favor of this admin or this as a requirement by any means - but in theory it could be a good idea.
Keep in mind how technology works. Models today might be a separate bracelet, but there's no reason you couldn't just have the RF chip built into your wrist watch. Or a belt buckle, a shirt button... Don't know about you but I always wear a watch, only take it off for shower etc.

RFID devices only need to be within range to work, and you could fix the range to say 6'.

Technically this opens up a whole new supply/demand realm of RF integration into existing things.
And if it is just built in subtly - no thief would know what to steal with the gun.

The biggest hurdle IMO is that it has to work 100.00% of the time. First time somebody is unable to use their weapon in self defense b/c of being locked out, and gets overtaken there will be hell to pay.
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ooooh ooooh oooooh!

I got a better idea yet!
What if we require a gun owner's license, and then we can embed the chip right in the owner's hand...or maybe their forehead!!

This is great then we can make sure no one can steal anyone's gun and use it.

Heck we could even just embed everyone gun owner or not and store their contact info, no more need for driver's license...and while we are at it maybe even store their financial info there and get rid of all those pesky coins, currency, credit cards and wallets.

You are on to something fantastic here, Dave. I like it!
 
Ron said:
ooooh ooooh oooooh!

I got a better idea yet!
What if we require a gun owner's license, and then we can embed the chip right in the owner's hand...or maybe their forehead!!

This is great then we can make sure no one can steal anyone's gun and use it.

Heck we could even just embed everyone gun owner or not and store their contact info, no more need for driver's license...and while we are at it maybe even store their financial info there and get rid of all those pesky coins, currency, credit cards and wallets.

You are on to something fantastic here, Dave. I like it!
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Mark of the beast
 
ManglerYJ said:
No, the problem is that the legal system allows those laws to be plea bargained away. Put a law in place that actually has teeth and it will put the people in jail that committed the crimes. Take away the lawyering and the system may just work the way it was intended. As stated, criminals don't think they will get caught, otherwise they would never commit crimes. What you do with them after they have been caught and convicted is how you reduce crime.
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I agree with this. I've personally chased, caught and charged a felon with possession by felon. He was already being questioned in possible murder cases around Charlotte. Anyway, he dumped a gun out the window when he stopped. Well, since the Mecklenburg county da's office plays let's make a deal, he was out in no time and was not given any prison term. It didn't even come to trial. Two years later he was on the news for murdering two people. In my opinion, any person that commits a crime with a weapon should get double the sentence and with mandatory time. This may not stop new people committing crimes, but it would keep repeat offenders out of civilization.
 
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I think if you are unanimously convicted of a heinous crime with video or photo evidence (rape, murder), you should be executed the same day the gavel falls. No life in prison crap. Imagine what would happen to the crime rate then.
 
Gun control is not and never will be useful for crime/murder prevention. If all the guns magically vanished today knives, sharp sticks or blunt objects would become the weapons of choice for armed criminals. Removing all guns would not make violent criminals magically become peaceful citizens.
 
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