Discussion in 'Tow Rigs and Trailers' started by ghost, May 24, 2019.
"Strawman" in 3.......2.........1......
@shawn. I guess I need to explore more modern vehicles....and everything you said was paired with my father's advice, personal experience and the related.
I honestly don't own anything newer than a 2006....previous was 90's and prior a 76 Ramcharger that was consistently overloaded doing first and second gear hunts going up 16 out of Jefferson NC. Lol. The rest has all been on farms or work related using others dual rear wheel stuff.
I guess my curiousity of going back gas and smaller for a future smaller camper isn't far fetched.
My wife has a 14 F150 with a 5.0 It tows our moderate sized camper very, very well. It would tow either of our rigs just fine I'm sure.
It wouldn't tow both of our rigs worth a crap.
Side note: we have a 1996 F350 dually flatbed at work for small deliveries. 460, 5 speed, 4x4 with 4.10s. I guarantee her F150 would out tow it in every way. Braking being the primary advantage of the newer truck
That new pushrod gasser ford is coming out seems to be the poo
For the record...I agree it would be janky and I certainly wouldn’t make a habit out of it. But I do believe it can/would, as well or better than a lot of vehicles most folks wouldn’t hesitate to do it with...and that was the only strawman point I was trying to make.
Nuns be damned!!!!
I appreciate all your responses. I know some people with much more capable rigs are going to the Crawl around the same time. I have not looked into weather that is an option yet or not. Personally I want a 10K trailer. 6440 on my 7K car hauler is a little too close for me.
Good in a few more years I'll get a used one....my 2006 has just over 150k and it's been paid for for a good while. As long as repairs don't start to nickle and dime me it'll be a while. I really want to return to the Suv Ramcharger towing days and keep the ol 2500 for a work truck. Really hope some manufacturer get something together like the older box Suvs......But not Excursion, Expedition, Suburban size.
Anybody that's actually driven one would tell him that's a terrible fucking idea - that F350 was designed in the 1970s and has shitty brakes and a frame that's fond of cracking.
And as we've already covered, the F150 is well out of its league at 14-15k, too.
It’s almost as if you seem to think towing 10-15,000lbs is a new thing. I agree the evolution of design and technology have created better options out there. The weight rating is the weight rating, I don’t care if it’s a half ton, one ton, new, old. I’m not arguing ease of use on the driver, just saying it’s not outside the realm of capability. I’ve made a lot of money with those shitty 70’s designs bumper towing 10,000lb trailers daily, 20,000 miles a year. And albeit a 5th wheel set up in this pic (wasn’t always), this antique has been towing two rigs most weekends for the last 5 years. If this can be done from the bumper, rated at 10,000lbs...I’d do it with an 09 rated at 11,000lbs, if it was the only rig I had on hand.
I have a 3rd gen Cummins for sale. Just sayin‘.
So are you recommending to tow two rigs with a tag along and a f150?
Just can’t seem to pinpoint are you for or against the OP question?
I’m just happy they invented something in the last 15 years so you could finally tow more than 10,000lbs.
I’m saying it’s 100% absolutely possible and folks have been towing the same weight with less capable equipment for decades. And the ‘need a 1 ton diesel dually with earth rotating torque to tow with’ phenomenon is pretty recent. Not long ago, auto manufacturers even advertised family station wagons as tow pigs. I also believe in work smarter, not harder...so if you can afford it, go for a better equipped truck, but in a one off case, it’s neither practical nor prudent.
If you happen to find a truck with a 2.5" receiver, I've got a Weigh Safe hitch with built in scale you're welcome to borrow to check your tongue weight. Also, you should buy this 2012 Ford F-250 cclb 4wd diesel use it for the trip, and then sell it for $3-4k more when you get done.
This shouldn't even still be a topic. Ghost, NO you SHOULD not tow two rigs with your F150 or probably even an F250 without prior experience, brakes, tags etc., We have all hauled crap we should not have and have a story to tell but that does not make us geniuses, it makes us idiots that survived! ;~}
I guess this is where I’m getting lost. OP’s two rigs combined (3500lbs/ea...google actually says less in stock form) are only about 800lbs more than hauling a Bobcat s175 (6200lbs). I don’t think anyone would give it a second thought or consider someone an idiot if you see a 6200lb bobcat on top of a 10k trailer weighing 3500lbs behind a 1996 Ford 350 with trailer tow rating of 10,000lbs. I think we can all agree 11,000>10,000...so what does it matter if it’s a 150? I’m legitimately asking.
Because it will push it aroung like a monkey with a dick up it's ass!
Curb weight is within a couple hundred pounds depending on cab/bed configuration...I’ll give you wheelbase depending on configuration.
Part of it is having enough mass on the tow rig to control the load. That's why the 13k tow ratings on the new F150s are laughable to me. The can only be found on the 2wd base model regcab truck, which means you are trying to control 13k pounds with the tractive capabilities of a 5000lb truck. The truck can't properly control that load in many situations.
I tow my jeep with a 17 praise dale silverado 1500 and it does fine. No way would I try to double tow with it. There are some steep hills on the way to Harlan. I've been in a newish cummins dually hauling two rigs back from there and coming back down the hills is still a little unnerving.
This is actually on the radar. My son should be done with his machinist school next year. I'm still 4 years out on alimony..... If the last hurricane had not ripped my office/shop roof apart I'd be in much better financial shape. Damn insurance company only ponied up 6K on a 11K repair....
Because those two jeeps are pushing 8k possibly 8500. Plus 3k for the trailer.
That’s 11k with ideal 1100-1500lbs tongue weight.
F150 rear springs arent designed for that tongue weight.
Yes the factory may say yes you can tow, 11k with that truck,
And the fine print should say ON FLAT GROUND.
that’s like towing an rv or boat on flat ground down to the beach. It would still suck with the f150, but it could be done.
We have an 01 suburban 2500 rated to tow 9600 lbs. yet it is terrible to tow 7400 to Harlan.
Prepare for 1st gear 17 mph 4500 rpm thrashes on the steep hills. Unless you can keep it above 55mph in 2nd gear.
My point is, it’s just not worth it, and most factory tow ratings are crap and marketing.
As stated above, look at tow rig weight, and total tractive effort on the contact patch.
I doubt the f150 tires are load range E.
Are you trying to get him to buy your 1996 f350?
Could you tow this load across town with a f150, sure if that’s all you have and we’re in a bind.
Towing to Harlan for a wheeling weekend with it, too much risk vs reward. Not worth it to destroy the f150 in the process.
I still say this.
How’s he supposed to get experience doing stupid shit if we all talk him out of it???
I can accept all that, and I’m not necessarily disagreeing with any of you or that info. My legitimate question is, what did we do then as a nation, before 2000??? How did we transport equipment from job site to job site, how did we transport a couple heads of live stock, how did we move anything over 10,000lbs? A half ton built in the last 10 years will knock a one tons dick in the dirt from from 20 years ago. Curb weights are comparable, wheelbases can be/are comparable, plus 20 years of drivability improvements. Or are we saying thank god for 2005+ 3/4+ tons and we were all taking our lives in to our own hands at work and personally before then?