What happened in that van?

The entire thing stinks. The initial chase was due to the dead man making eye contact with police and then running. Is that even illegal? Sure it was suspicious, but illegal? How can you resist arrest, when a policeman has only looked at you? OK ok..now the cop yells stop or freeeeze, he doesn't stop, they tackle him and find an illegal knife. So since he wasn't under arrest or even being detained when he ran, would that make the knife in consequential seeing as this may have been an illegal search and seizure from the start?

Not saying this was the case, but an argument could be made..say I am about to start my daily 5 mile jog, and in the split second before I start running, I look a cop in the eye...should that really make police chase me? I understand the high crime area has some bearing on this, but all the same...seems like over zealous policing to me.

This is way different than Ferguson and other cases where I could easily blame the black thug for his own death due to stupidity.

I think some cops are gonna be in real trouble over this one. And if not...I bet that city burns.
 
josh m said:
That statistic would be much different if we had as many dumb asses out in fields holding 40' sticks of 1/2 inch copper pipe during thunder storms.
Which is pretty much the same thing as fighting with a police officer or going for his gun or running from a LEO, and resisting arrest.
Define resisting arrest. Was your life threatened?
One might just get wet from the rain, but you are dramatically increasing your odds of getting fucked up.
Since you chose this job in law enforcement why should my odds increase?
Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.
YES. Your job is to enforce the law, not dictate it.
What we have here is a segment of society that thinks it can get away with doing some pretty stupid shit.
Define stupid shit Judge Dredd.
I don't mean to detract from this fellow that lost his life in custody, it sucks for his family and any one that was involved in the situation.
But.......
Infringe upon my rights and expect similar results.
Do stupid shit better expect stupid results.[/QUOTE 2nd amendment.
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josh m said:
Now I would like you to explain what ass your pulling your statistics out of.
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Ever thrown away junk mail addressed to somebody else? Felony. Ever called in sick when you weren't? Felony. Ever told Deborah from the FS something that wasn't true (even if done inadvertently)? Felony.
 
josh m said:
Well let me rephrase my comment.
99% of law abiding citizens have a better chance of getting gored by a pink unicorn than what happens to this poor poor victim of police brutality.
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I love the presumption that police are infallible and never get, or even are dealing with the wrong guy...
 
Dylan W. said:
What? Don't think I've ever heard this. Gonna use this on my help. They're already way past 3 strikes.
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• Honest Services Fraud

Hypothetical: You are a salaried employee at an insurance company. You work hard and have earned the respect of your peers. One day, your cousin calls and tells you that he has an extra ticket to tomorrow’s game—a sold-out matchup with your hometown team’s rival. You contemplate calling in “sick” in order to attend the game. Though you recognize that it is slightly off-color to deceive your superiors and that you could possibly be reprimanded by the company, you nonetheless realize that everyone does it occasionally and it is deemed a perk of the job.So you decide to take a sickday. You have arguablyjust committed a federal felony.Your conduct could have been seen as a “scheme” to defraud the company of its “intangible right” to your “Honest Services.”



Real-life example: This hypothetical has yet to come to our attention (although it wouldn’t be shocking if such a case actually exists), but that doesn’t mean the conduct isn’t covered by the infamously vague federal law. In fact, after the Supreme Court declined to hear an “honest services” case in February 2009, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a rare dissent to his colleagues’ refusal to review the conviction.In this dissent, Scalia wrote that the law has been used to criminalize a “staggeringly broad swath of behavior,” and if the 28-word statute “is taken seriously and carried to its logical conclusion, presumably the statute also renders criminal…a salaried employee’s phoning in sick to go to a ball game.” This admonition has led the high court to accept three cases that challenge the scope of the “honest services” statute in the current term.
 
According to the Washington post article.
He ran from the LEO when he saw them. ( what cops call a clue)
probable cause to stop was established
He was probably told or ordered to stop in the two or so blocks that the police officers chased him.
They probably told him to stop before they got him stopped. So that is resisting arrest or interfering with LEO duty. Offense #1
He just so happened to have a switch blade in his pocket. I'm not 100% sure but I bet those are illegal in Maryland, we can't have em in the free state of nc so I'm betting neither in Maryland.
Offense #2
One report said he submitted after they fought him one said that he fought to the transport.
Prior drug charges on him so he may have ran because he was selling, had two blocks to discard it, felony, and in possession of a illegal concealed weapon. Also a felony.
Baltimore would be one of the last places I'd want to work in law enforcement. It really sucks how victimized the American mindset has become. No one wants to stand in the shoes of LEOs but they are quick to criticize them. These guys put their lives on the line and deal with people that most Americans can not imagine. Murderers rapist pedophiles drug dealers prostitutes, just the absolute shit of society. Every day. Over and over. And we sit back at our computers and judge them, saying they should of done something different.
 
josh m said:
He just so happened to have a switch blade in his pocket.
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In MD, pretty much any knife that can be opened one-handed is considered to be a "switch blade".
 
Kid was walking around, no injuries before police encounter.

Kid was violently killed during and in police custody.

In addition to murder, I think there should be a heavy leaning towards torture as well.

Slamming into the bulkhead in the back of a van isnt going to cause the level of vicious physical injury and pain this poor kid went through.

Prior arrests, pocketknife, blah blah blah, those are not relevant points to this fucked up situation.
 
Dylan W. said:
No one seems to know how 25 year old Freddy Grey ended up dead with a severed spinal chord.

Arrest video shows him standing and talking on the rear step of the paddy wagon.
His back wasn't broke, nor was his voice box shattered as he entered the van.

He was hand cuffed, and I'd venture to say he was not seat belted in.

My theory is....
Look on the dividing wall.. the one that separates the driver from the back. I'd say you'll find evidence that the deceased suffered from a severe brake check and collision with that wall.
Maybe the driver, wanted him to settle down and shut up or something and decided to slam on the brakes. Ole Boy couldn't use his hands for impact protection, and slammed awkwardly into the dividing wall, thus breaking his back.

Just my theory till the facts come out.

Can't stop watching this one.
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OHHHH that van,I thought this was gonna be about Hilliary and the Mystery machine :lol::lol:.
Reid said:
well, i know that if i ever get arrested, the first thing im gonna do is scream "youre hurting me". just in case.
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Gotta be proactive.:D
redneckcj5guy said:
You do realize that i am a 52 y/o honky ass white dude correct?
The webz makes me look like Dre.
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Glad you cleared that up,I always wordered.
 
Bogleparsons said:
lets all take a moment to feel bad for the piece of shit who had over 20 arrests.

OK, now lets move on to someone who is worth our time. Like the Americans around the world being held prisoner with no trial or due process.
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Never said I felt bad or not.

The point I am making is that I think these cops are in the wrong. Unlike a lot of other cases, on the news recently,where I felt like the cops were in the right.

And to add to that...It doesn't take a damn genius to see that cops are under a microscope with all of these cases on the news. Blacks and whites are (obviously mostly blacks) are looking for a " witch to burn" I think this Baltimore case will provide them with one...or 6. Like I said earlier somewhere, if these cops are let off easy or found to be innocent, I think the "city will burn". (Literally or not)
 
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josh m said:
According to the Washington post article.
He ran from the LEO when he saw them. ( what cops call a clue)
probable cause to stop was established
He was probably told or ordered to stop in the two or so blocks that the police officers chased him.
They probably told him to stop before they got him stopped. So that is resisting arrest or interfering with LEO duty. Offense #1
He just so happened to have a switch blade in his pocket. I'm not 100% sure but I bet those are illegal in Maryland, we can't have em in the free state of nc so I'm betting neither in Maryland.
Offense #2
One report said he submitted after they fought him one said that he fought to the transport.
Prior drug charges on him so he may have ran because he was selling, had two blocks to discard it, felony, and in possession of a illegal concealed weapon. Also a felony.
Baltimore would be one of the last places I'd want to work in law enforcement. It really sucks how victimized the American mindset has become. No one wants to stand in the shoes of LEOs but they are quick to criticize them. These guys put their lives on the line and deal with people that most Americans can not imagine. Murderers rapist pedophiles drug dealers prostitutes, just the absolute shit of society. Every day. Over and over. And we sit back at our computers and judge them, saying they should of done something different.
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Dude you are getting off light. I havent slept in 3 days as I have 2 family members in the hospital on differing levels of life support. I dont have the time to shred your ignorant post like it deserves, maybe @shawn or @RatLabGuy will pick up my slack.
But lets briefly start from the top.
I dont care what coppers call a clue, me running is not probable cause for a stop, even a Terry stop. This has been established by the US constitution and upheld by the US Supreme Court.

You will see I highlighted 6 instances where you made an illogical and illegal logistical fallacy jump. All in favor of your "brothers in blue" without ANY information, evidence, or knowledge of MD law.

I will end my rant with these two points.
Your job as a LEO is NOT to interpret the law. It is not to assume or guess what someone is doing. It is honestly not to "protect and serve" it is to enforce the laws currently on the books. If you stop someone you think may be breaking the law you have just violated that person's rights. You can only stop someone one you have probable cause to suspect has in fact committed a crime. Otherwise you are in violation of their 4A rights.

Finally every time you and others take to crying about how hard the job of a LEO is, and how no one respects it you lose 100% of your credibility. No one forced you to become a cop. No one forces you to strap a badge on everyday. You choose to do it. What do we call someone who does something willingly and then whines about it? That's right a whiny ass bitch. Lets try this stereotype game on for size. Most cops I know (I'd estimate 95%) fall into one of 3 categories. 1- Little punks who were bullied in school who now strap on a badge for a power trip. 2- Lazy fucks who couldnt find a different job and saw a quick run through the academy and a guaranteed paycheck as an easy answer, only to quickly learn it aint as easy as they thought. So still they sit on their ass eat donuts, avoid difficult situations and harass easy targets so they look like they do a thorough job. 3- Corrupt MF'ers who became cops just get away with their own corrupt behavior and to steal from others legally.

Now the other 5% those are salt of the earth, great, noble guys who really want to make a difference in the world and protect folks. They are few and far between.


With that I will now sleep.
 
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meh, he had it coming
EVERYBODY on here has done a brake check before on some friends goofing around. we just never had serious consequences. this one did. so what. he was a career criminal and was going to continue to be so.
 
Here's how I keep from getting detained, arrested, hassled, beat up by the police, tased, shot unarmed by over-zealous security officers and losing my life at the hand of officers of the law...............


(wait for it)





I don't make a habit of committing crimes.
 
ManglerYJ said:
I don't make a habit of committing crimes.
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Let's say you're at a workday.

Ranger Walker asks you where the shovels are. You tell her they're back at the culvert. But, unbeknownst to you, someone has since picked them up and moved them, and they are no longer at the culvert.

You have committed a Federal felony, punishable by jail time in a Federal prison. It does not matter that you made the error inadvertently, or that you didn't intend to deceive. You could go to jail.

I can't say this shit enough. People think that just because they're not out robbing banks, they're not committing crimes. There are thousands upon thousands of offenses on the books. There are so many, no one has been able to accurately count them. They're punishable by incarceration, fines, or even death. And should the gaze of a prosecutor turn on you, they can and will find something to charge you with.
 
shawn said:
Let's say you're at a workday.

Ranger Walker asks you where the shovels are. You tell her they're back at the culvert. But, unbeknownst to you, someone has since picked them up and moved them, and they are no longer at the culvert.

You have committed a Federal felony, punishable by jail time in a Federal prison. It does not matter that you made the error inadvertently, or that you didn't intend to deceive. You could go to jail.

I can't say this shit enough. People think that just because they're not out robbing banks, they're not committing crimes. There are thousands upon thousands of offenses on the books. There are so many, no one has been able to accurately count them. They're punishable by incarceration, fines, or even death. And should the gaze of a prosecutor turn on you, they can and will find something to charge you with.
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As a married man, I learned very quickly that wording is crucial. This is an easy situation to prevent trapping yourself in an answer. Here are two possible answers that convey the information while keeping you out of trouble:
1. "The last place I saw them was back at the culvert."
2. "I believe they are back at the culvert."
 
Ok let's say the guy ran to ditch the weed he had in his pocket. We'll even assume he did wrestle with the cops when they caught up to him. I'll go a step further and assume the cop knew him and his criminal background. Does any of that justify him not breathing anymore?
 
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