Winston-Salem police dept. Duchbaggery.

Maybe related, maybe not, but when someone is on or near my property regardless of if they wear a badge or not I tell them to piss off in a uniform fashion. But that's just me. I don't get along or deal with law enforcement or idiots.
 
Maybe related, maybe not, but when someone is on or near my property regardless of if they wear a badge or not I tell them to piss off in a uniform fashion. But that's just me. I don't get along or deal with law enforcement or idiots.

Same here...and that circles us back to my point. It's easy to sit on your moral high horse to cry foul that someones feelers are getting hurt. But when you get introduced into the equation...peoples feelers don't matter as much, and people are less inclined to bitch for the sake of bitching.
 
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can't we all just get along! :D hey got a new clutch for the trail rig! Guna be super rad!!!:flipoff2:
 
Am I the only one bothered by this? Is this really the mentality of officers? Does your reverse mentality match? Not picking sides, just asking questions.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3479017
 
if you are told to leave, from public property or otherwise, you are required to leave. There doesnt have to be a reason.

I'm still waiting for @Reid to back this up.:flipoff2:

(since I can't help poking the bear)
 
Am I the only one bothered by this? Is this really the mentality of officers? Does your reverse mentality match? Not picking sides, just asking questions.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3479017

There are bad apples in every profession, I'm not denying that. But seriously, now we're offended over a tshirt? Do you get that easily offended over other tshirts? Maybe a suggestive Big Johnson shirt or a kid wearing a F**K You shirt at an inappropriate venue? Yes, your link is poor taste...but where's the outrage about the outrage that someone's wearing a shirt...there is precedence that this is protected by the first amendment, why aren't we outraged that someone is offended by something protected by 1A. So cops can't wear these shirts, I assume you want the same censorship placed on you? And this is digging even deeper in to why I think this thread is completely asinine and ridiculous. Where does the vicious circle of people being offended and wanting double standards end? Maybe my feelers button is broken, or my panties don't get wadded because I prefer commando, but I'm a firm believer in doing what needs to be done and not giving a shit what other people do if it doesn't infringe on me.
 
I'll answer one of those questions before I quit feeding the trolls.

1. Offended over a T-shirt?
No, its not the T-shirt, its the content of a message that shows what the wearer is about. Yes, a police officer / public servant / role model for young people relaying this message concerns me. Equally disgusting to me is a scrawny white supremist wearing a misrepresented confederate flag T running the streets and dreaming about hanging a black man. Equally, a colored person with such disregard for others that he play profanic music loudly at gas stations for all to hear. They all have the right to do these things, but guess which one involves their career into it?

:troll feeding over, sorry:
 
There are bad apples in every profession, I'm not denying that. But seriously, now we're offended over a tshirt? Do you get that easily offended over other tshirts? Maybe a suggestive Big Johnson shirt or a kid wearing a F**K You shirt at an inappropriate venue? Yes, your link is poor taste...but where's the outrage about the outrage that someone's wearing a shirt...there is precedence that this is protected by the first amendment, why aren't we outraged that someone is offended by something protected by 1A. So cops can't wear these shirts, I assume you want the same censorship placed on you? And this is digging even deeper in to why I think this thread is completely asinine and ridiculous. Where does the vicious circle of people being offended and wanting double standards end? Maybe my feelers button is broken, or my panties don't get wadded because I prefer commando, but I'm a firm believer in doing what needs to be done and not giving a shit what other people do if it doesn't infringe on me.

I think you're missing the point. It's not that the T-shirts are potentially offensive, or that they don't have the right to wear them - of course they do, and anybody that gets offended that easily needs some thicker skin.
What's concerning is what it suggests about the wearer's general attitude about their job and role in society, and that they actually would wear them even though it projects such a negative image.

Also agree that there are always "bad apples" that give the rest of the occupation a bad name. The problem is this is greatly compounded in a public-servant role where you have a tremendous amount of power and responsibility.
 
That wasn't lost on me. I get it, it creates the boohoos and something else to bitch about because the bad police man is wearing a suggestive shirt. To me, I say get the f**k over it, find some real problems. Personally, I prefer to be proactive when I find a problem and do something about it, not sit back and bitch about something with no intention of correcting a perceived problem.

Straw poll here...how many people here offended/think there are civil liberty issues in the original link, have started a petition? Have created some course of action to correct the 'problem'? Have contacted your local government official? Anyone??? At all??? I bet not a single person does a damn thing about it. And if it's not important enough to do anything about...then why are you bitching about it???
 
Straw poll here...how many people here offended/think there are civil liberty issues in the original link, have started a petition? Have created some course of action to correct the 'problem'? Have contacted your local government official? Anyone??? At all??? I bet not a single person does a damn thing about it. And if it's not important enough to do anything about...then why are you bitching about it???
I do something about it. Everyday. Its called being a good person and good citizen, respecting all and showing compassion to others feelings and needs without the nerve to look someone in the face and saying "get the f**k over it" and if I was a police officer, I'd be damned if I'd even suggest I was opposed to fight for peace and equality which I swore to uphold.
 
Its called "lead by example", but who the hell does that anymore... :shaking:
 
I do something about it. Everyday. Its called being a good person and good citizen, respecting all and showing compassion to others feelings and needs without the nerve to look someone in the face and saying "get the f**k over it" and if I was a police officer, I'd be damned if I'd even suggest I was opposed to fight for peace and equality which I swore to uphold.

You can be a good person all you want...but that's not fixing the problem. What did you do for the guy in the original link. Nothing and just piss and moan about it here? What did you do to clean up the tshirts that offended you? Nothing and just piss and moan about it here? I'm sure everyone in this thread is a good person...I've yet to meet or buy something from anyone on this site that isn't a good person or has lead by example. But what did you do to fix either of these problems that are so offensive.
 
You can be a good person all you want...but that's not fixing the problem. What did you do for the guy in the original link. Nothing and just piss and moan about it here? What did you do to clean up the tshirts that offended you? Nothing and just piss and moan about it here? I'm sure everyone in this thread is a good person...I've yet to meet or buy something from anyone on this site that isn't a good person or has lead by example. But what did you do to fix either of these problems that are so offensive.
Well then, keep pretending this is irrelevant material. For your sake, I hope you never have a run in with an officer that categorizes you in such disgrace that he throw you in jail over something pety and ruin your livelihood souly to prove he is the bigger man. The "few bad apples" you speak of is putting it lightly. Does it not seem appealing to other officers that they can be as ruthless and racist as they can be with the only consequences if called out being a paid vacation or at worse having to mop floors in an air conditioned restroom? They're above the law and we aren't. And abuse of power is more prevelant than any of us know.
 
Well then, keep pretending this is irrelevant material. For your sake, I hope you never have a run in with an officer that categorizes you in such disgrace that he throw you in jail over something pety and ruin your livelihood souly to prove he is the bigger man. The "few bad apples" you speak of is putting it lightly. Does it not seem appealing to other officers that they can be as ruthless and racist as they can be with the only consequences if called out being a paid vacation or at worse having to mop floors in an air conditioned restroom? They're above the law and we aren't. And abuse of power is more prevelant than any of us know.

I'm not saying it's irrelevant, I'm saying I don't care. Beyond that I say, if you truly had a problem with it, you'd have local details, facts, badge numbers and would have written to your local governing officials, contacted the local news channel and started your own grassroots movement and anything else necessary. For me, people that aren't willing to go through everything it takes to correct the problem...STFU and mind your own business. Sitting idly by telling everyone 'the man is out to get them' is called propaganda...aka bitching for the sake of bitching.

I think what surprises me most about this thread are the hypocritical, self righteous, white knights. With that...I'll bow out since I'm obviously in the minority here.
 
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Ironically, I was just reading a story about a guy who was asked to leave a plane because his shirt had an F-bomb on it. He was asked to either invert his shirt, cover it with a jacket or leave the plane. Apparently he felt his civil liberties were being threatened enough that he left the plane (not public property, you paid to be on that plane and so did every other passenger).

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Anyway, if you are going to a place where only adults go, wear your F bomb shirt proudly. It doesn't offend me, but when my kid reads it and doesn't know what it means because they've never heard me say it, I'm going to be pissed. Again, your civil liberties to wear your stupid shirt, shouldn't interfere with my civil liberties for my kids not to have to be witness to it. I cuss on occasion (you will see some of it in my posts on here, although I try to edit them), but I try to limit it to areas where adults are only present.

As far as the offensive police shirts, as stated..... they are t-shirts. If the department was having them worn as part of their uniform, yes it's a problem. Other than that, here's a quarter - rent a sense of humor.
 
Yes...but it was a weak attempt at deflection. Do you think the guy videotaping your house is worth confronting. Do you think that's a crime? Would you do anything about it? If your answer is no to all of that, that's fine...we're obviously on two different sides and there's no hypocrisy working there. If the answer is yes, you may want evaluate why you have a double standard.

I'll answer for me. I can't answer for Jeff. And I can actually speak authoritatively on this subject.
Not long after we moved in the local busy body of the HOA just up the road from me (my house isn't part of the HOA by the way) was in the cul-de-sac taking photos of my house. I walked up and introduced myself. I asked that he not take any more pictures of my house as I was uncomfortable with it. He replied tough shit and he would do as he liked. I advised him the next time he took photos of my house I would destroy his camera and dare him to stop me.He whipped his cell phone out and called the law. They came down and I spoke with them at his request. They advised me is was not illegal to take photos from a public road, however it was illegal for him to have his unregistered golf cart on the public road. They said if he returned to photograph his golf cart in the road and they would handle it.

I never called the cops. I wouldnt call the cops. It isnt a legal matter. I will whip his ass if he returns. To me there is no hypocrisy. I dont want someone photographing my private residence. I will stop it. I will not ask the law to stop it as it isnt a legal matter. I would actually have an issue if the law tried to stop him from doing something that wasnt illegal.

Ben, you are a smart dude. This isnt an intelligence deal. I think you are just of the opinion that bad things wont happen to good people, well many here have lived the story of bad cops ruining lives. Does the name Josh Griffin mean anything to you?

You might not have been around here then.

Let me try this is an analogy. I believe in the freedom of speech. Even though I might not agree with your POV I will fight til the death to defend your right to say it. Another real life scenario you can relate to. I like you played football for much of my formative years. I found myself in college on a team comprised probably 95% of Christians. We went to Chapel together. Said team prayers before games etc. Well like any group we had a few dissidents. That was fine no one on the team thought differently of them. Until one Easter Sunday and Spring practice. One chose to make some wildly inappropriate comments. The TEAM handled this in the lockeroom after practice. And again the next pad practice. And again all summer long. Eventually this player quit. He wasnt a star by any means. We had a team party the night he quit. I have no problem with what happened in that situation. Had the coach or an administrator kicked him off the team for his words Id have a major problem. It is the abuse of authority I have an issue with, not the actions.
 
Ron...I'll just leave it at this. I think you know me well enough, to know where I actually stand on this topic. You and I don't actually differ often, and I like playing devil's advocate...subjecting to the mob mentality of the board gets boring. I simply found it shocking, that if folks were really truly being real with themselves, different location, different color, different verbiage, etc etc, shouldn't matter. Damn near everybody...you change one little detail, and they either stop posting or start deflecting. To me, that's not a core competency, you can't say 'this is a belief, if this, but not that'. Pick a side and stick to it.
 
I'm still waiting for @Reid to back this up.:flipoff2:

(since I can't help poking the bear)

i spent way too long digging into this last night. no cops came into work so i did some googling.

while there are laws that allow cops to order citizens to vacate/disperse it requires there be 3 or more citizens in need of dispersal.

there is a law for failure to obey a lawful order from an officer. how ever, what is lawful is up for debate. is it lawful for an officer to tell a citizen he must leave public property?

i was able to find a few convictions, most notably a woman from salisbury named Gina (already forgot her last name) where she was ordered to leave a scene of an accident (in her front yard) she was ordered to leave the right of way and back into her home. She did not and was convicted of failure to comply.

Now, this gentleman in particular, if it was known that his internet was to share this video with others, he could fall under the "3 or more" category. While not 3 or more at present, it could concievably turn into 3 or more. if an officer suspects ones actions could cause a riot, then the order for dispersal is lawful.

This opens up a new can of worms for a DA to throw out there. Disorderly conduct and inciting a riot.....should a riot take place.

the list of possible crimes for an officer to charge him with is growing.
 
Now, this gentleman in particular, if it was known that his internet was to share this video with others, he could fall under the "3 or more" category. While not 3 or more at present, it could concievably turn into 3 or more. if an officer suspects ones actions could cause a riot, then the order for dispersal is lawful.

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Well seeing as how the media all the way in Hickory has seen it and reported that the video had already received 3000 hits -and that was before the dozen or so of us that have debated it (and master-debated it), it's pretty safe to say his intent was to share it with at least two other individuals. I'd still be curious as to how long he was taping PRIOR to the officer walking up to him, and what exactly he recorded. It's pretty obvious that he focused on the flags (which he had a horribly obstructed view of) after he figured he had attracted the attention of the officer.

Here again, I still go back to: So he wasn't doing anything "illegal", where is the line that he will have to cross when those who feel his First Amendment rights were violated (listed here in case you hadn't read it - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.) If he had shown up on the same sidewalk with 10,000 rounds of ammunition strapped to him and a can of gas in hand, would the police have had sufficient cause to be alarmed and question and/or detain him? Last I checked, it's not against the law to walk around with large quantities of ammunition on your person, nor walk on the sidewalk with a can of gas. The police officer would have to INFER his INTENT.

OR... if someone is lurking around a parking lot, going from car to car peering in windows, is it not safe to assume he is casing the lot looking for unlocked vehicles? Wouldn't you want a police officer to inquire as to what he was doing and if he still appeared shifty, ill-responsive, or belligerent to inquire further? Now, it is possible that the person in question rode to his location with someone that got too drunk and handed him the keys to his car and this person is looking in the windows to find the car he rode there in (has happened to me before). Again, this would be evident to a police officer with a few quick questions and I bet the LEO would even help him find the car.

What people like this don't realize is that by standing "just inside the law" (doing something that appears suspicious for the express purpose of baiting the police into reacting in such a way that violates a right) and making a spectacle of it only serves to push lawmakers further toward the police state that you are trying to avoid. Now, the police and lawmakers are forced to review their policies and establish a safe limitation to avoid this from happening again. It may be to post signs around the police station of where you can stand and where you can't stand to video. Then, they have to take into account that someone may try to stand just inside THAT line and mount their camera on a pole which can then record inside the line, even though they are physically standing outside it. Or, better yet, a quad-copter with a GoPro mounted to it (a drone). So now, we have to make sure the rule is clear for all of these possible scenarios, so they paint the letter of the law with such a broad paint brush that they say, "No video recordings of any kind on any public accessway in any tax-funded municipality, blah blah blah". All because some dude wanted to be a jerk and a cop felt lead to be a bigger jerk.
 
while there are laws that allow cops to order citizens to vacate/disperse it requires there be 3 or more citizens in need of dispersal.

there is a law for failure to obey a lawful order from an officer. how ever, what is lawful is up for debate. is it lawful for an officer to tell a citizen he must leave public property?

i was able to find a few convictions, most notably a woman from salisbury named Gina (already forgot her last name) where she was ordered to leave a scene of an accident (in her front yard) she was ordered to leave the right of way and back into her home. She did not and was convicted of failure to comply.

Now, this gentleman in particular, if it was known that his internet was to share this video with others, he could fall under the "3 or more" category. While not 3 or more at present, it could concievably turn into 3 or more. if an officer suspects ones actions could cause a riot, then the order for dispersal is lawful.

This opens up a new can of worms for a DA to throw out there. Disorderly conduct and inciting a riot.....should a riot take place.
Ah yes but the point of all these is that there is *some kind* of reason for making the person vacate. E.g. potentially inciting a riot.
You said they didn't have to have a reason, which is what I'm calling bullshit on.
 
Ah yes but the point of all these is that there is *some kind* of reason for making the person vacate. E.g. potentially inciting a riot.
You said they didn't have to have a reason, which is what I'm calling bullshit on.


Gonna turn the table a little. You must obey a lawful order. If an officer orders you to leave you must leave. Can you find a statute that says its illegal for an officer to give you an order to vacate?
 
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