Assault rifle sales

I wouldn't say it's ever out of reach, they will obviously do what ever they want. Biden probably just hasn't put all his cards down on the table, He was supposed to meet with large retailers and I can only imagine what that convo was about. If it came down to it, I can guarantee I can live with out stepping foot in a wal-mart or dicks sporting goods ever again.
 
The-Bull-mac said:
You give any and you start the snow ball rolling, if you advocate giving and advocate any restrictions then you are NOT pro second and need to not try and represent us unless.
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Absolutely right! To blaze, what is different in having a high cap 30 round mag and wanting a car with 300hp? Why do we need cars that go 200mph when the max speed limit is 70mph in NC? Why do we need jeeps with oversized tires and full width axles? This country is free. That is why it doesn't suck like the rest of the world. Besides, it's fun as hell to empty 30 round clips into a watermelon at the gun range! If somebody doesn't believe we should have it, that is fine, but they have no right to tell us we can't have it. The high cap ban is definitely the starting point. They will take a little at a time until they are completely outlawed like other countries. Do you think without guns we'd have freedom of speech? Or wonder why countries don't want to fight us on our soil? It's not a coincidence. we have one badass military so don't get me wrong. But with our military and half of our country kicking someone's ass is downright unbeatable. I say half the country because some US citizens don't believe in the ownership of firearms which is sad in my opinion.
 
One more analogy and I'll quit. Why not ban alcohol again? People die from drunk drivers everyday. No one blames the alcohol manufacturers for producing alcohol and if not used responsibly can be deadly. Why are guns always blamed for irresponsible users killing people or criminals stealing them then committing more crimes or crazy people shooting up places? Our media wants to demonize guns to brainwash people to think that is the problem!
 
Do you think without guns we'd have freedom of speech? Or wonder why countries don't want to fight us on our soil? It's not a coincidence. we have one badass military so don't get me wrong. But with our military and half of our country kicking someone's ass is downright unbeatable. I say half the country because some US citizens don't believe in the ownership of firearms which is sad in my opinion.
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this goes along with what you just said, the whole video is good but this part relates to what you said.

 
95yjjeep said:
One more analogy and I'll quit. Why not ban alcohol again? People die from drunk drivers everyday. No one blames the alcohol manufacturers for producing alcohol and if not used responsibly can be deadly. Why are guns always blamed for irresponsible users killing people or criminals stealing them then committing more crimes or crazy people shooting up places? Our media wants to demonize guns to brainwash people to think that is the problem!
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Exactly! I've been a Firefighter for 18 years, I've only been on maybe 1 shooting related call in that time. But I've been on countless wrecks that involved alcohol. And usually the inocent are the ones killed or badly hurt by the drunk driver. They don't want to touch Alcohol because there have been a number of Politicians caught drunk driving.
 
Not sure why it did that but found it again, so just copy and pasted. Not for sure about some of it, but from what i understood it sounded like it may not be as bad as what i expected



WASHINGTON — While President Obama pledged to crack down on access to what he called “weapons of war” in the aftermath of last month’s schoolhouse massacre, the White House has calculated that a ban on military-style assault weapons will be exceedingly difficult to pass through Congress and is focusing on other measures it deems more politically achievable.
As a task force led by Vice PresidentJoseph R. Biden Jr. readies recommendations on reducing gun violence for delivery to the president next week, White House officials say a new ban will be an element of whatever final package is proposed. But given the entrenched opposition from gun rights groups and their advocates on Capitol Hill, the White House is trying to avoid making its passage the sole definition of success and is emphasizing other new gun rules that could conceivably win bipartisan support and reduce gun deaths.
During a day of White House meetings on the issue on Thursday, including one with the National Rifle Association, Mr. Biden focused publicly on universal background checks for gun purchases and the need for more federal research on gun violence. In 15 minutes of public remarks, Mr. Biden made no mention of curbing the production and sale of assault weapons, even though he was a prime author of such a law that passed in 1994 and expired 10 years later. Both he and the president say they strongly support an assault weapons ban.
But Mr. Biden noted that his former colleagues in the Senate have long been “pretty universally opposed to any restrictions on gun ownership or what type of weapons can be purchased.” He said they now seem more open to limits on the purchase of high-capacity magazines.
A spokesman for Mr. Obama said later in the afternoon that the vice president’s remarks merely reflect a desire for a broad approach to gun violence.
“President Obama has been clear that Congress should reinstate the assault weapons ban and that avoiding this issue just because it’s been politically difficult in the past is not an option,” said Matt Lehrich, the spokesman. “He’s also stressed that no single piece of legislation alone can solve this problem, which is why he has asked Vice President Biden to explore a wide array of proposals on topics ranging from gun laws to mental health to school safety.”
The calculation on the assault weapons ban underscores the complicated politics of guns on Capitol Hill despite public outrage after a gunman killed 26 people, including 20 children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December. While the shootings prompted some pro-gun lawmakers to endorse limits on assault weapons, Republicans who control the House Judiciary Committee still oppose such limits.
A statement by the N.R.A. after Thursday’s meeting underscored the political challenges. The group accused the White House of having an “agenda to attack the Second Amendment,” and said it would go to the halls of Congress in its efforts to stop gun restrictions.
“We will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of Congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works — and what does not,” the statement said.
The calibrated public focus by Mr. Biden also reflects a tension within the administration and Democratic circles, with some gun control advocates pressing for a robust effort on the assault weapon ban and others leery of being caught in a losing cause at the expense of other measures with more chances of success. While Mr. Biden has included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., Janet Napolitano, the Homeland Security secretary, and other cabinet officials in his working group, officials said the process is being driven by the White House.
In addition to limits on high-capacity magazines and expanded background checks, Mr. Biden’s group is looking at ways of keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and cracking down on sales that are already illegal. One possibility is tougher laws against straw purchasing with longer prison terms for those who buy guns for others. Some officials would like to expand mandatory minimum sentences for gun law violations, but the White House in general does not like such sentences. Mr. Biden’s group is also considering seeking additional money to enforce existing laws.
Mr. Biden’s comment this week about taking executive action was seized on by some opponents as evidence that the president wanted to unilaterally restrict gun sales to legal buyers. But officials said executive action refers to limited measures like directing more attention and resources to pursuing violations of existing gun laws and studying gun violence.
The ammunition limit has drawn attention from Democrats in Congress, both because they think it might be easier to pass and because it might have more impact than an assault weapon ban. To pass the last assault weapon ban through a Democratic Congress more amenable to gun control, Mr. Biden had to accept compromises that allowed many guns to be sold.
The White House effort is coming even as some governors are seeking state legislation that would limit the availability of guns and ammunition. In Colorado, Gov. John W. Hickenlooper, a Democrat, called on Thursday for universal background checks on all gun sales in his state.
In New York, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has made gun control efforts a centerpiece of his next year in office, pledging to pass a tough new assault weapons ban in his state, limits on large-capacity magazines and measures to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.
Mr. Obama’s push for new federal action is the first serious one in many years. Mr. Biden held several meetings Thursday with representatives of hunting and wildlife groups, advocates of gun ownership, and officials with the entertainment industry. At the start of the meetings, Mr. Biden said he would give Mr. Obama his recommendations on Tuesday, though they may not be made public until later.
In their own closed-door meetings with the vice president on Wednesday, gun control advocates emphasized their belief that measures other than the assault weapons ban could be even more effective in preventing the kinds of recent massacres that have captured public and political attention, several participants said.
“There’s a natural gravity that happens toward the ban in the wake of tragedies,” said Dan Gross, the president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who attended the meeting. “But it’s very important to point out that background checks could have an even bigger impact.”
 
1-tonmudder said:
Thats my favorite part.:D
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ManglerYJ said:
Does anyone else see another inconsistancy here?!?!?! I doubt anyone can get into the mind of the shooter (nor would they want to), but walk through this with me....

Shooter wakes up and decides his mom needs to be dead and she happens to have a stockpile of weapons including the Bushmaster "assault" rifle. He shoots her several times in the head and proceeds to take his brother's ID (who supposedly hasn't seen him in over a year) and steal her car to drive to the school to go on his rampage. There's enough rage in his head to shoot his mom and go on a killing spree, but he takes the time to hide a rifle in the trunk?!?!? What would he care at this point to keep it in open view with the other guns? They said on the news that he had a bulletproof vest on, but yet took his own life? What's THAT all about? If I had to guess, the reason the rifle was in the trunk was because he couldn't fit it in the passenger seat because it was OCCUPIED.

I did see news reports immediately after the incedent where some of the parents mentioned watching someone in camo pants and a black jacket coming out of the woods, claiming "he didn't have anything to do with it" and was detained, only to be released (but not heard from again).

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I guess I am not the only one who is questioning this thing...
It's long, but it has a lot of good points.

 
Watching it right now with a large chunk of vomit boiling in my throat.
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well, pretty sickening. I like how more than half of the gun violence he addressed didn't involve any type of "assault rifle". Our only hope is nothing gets through congress.
 
13. Maximize gun violence prevention and strongly prosecute gun crime.
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that's some vague shit right there

Might as well have said "solve the problem and get the bad guys".
 
RatLabGuy said:
that's some vague shit right there

Might as well have said "solve the problem and get the bad guys".
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as a federal employee you sound surprised
 
Is everyone being honest with themselves here? Do you really think signing an online petition is going to make an ounce of difference? If so, sign away!
 
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