Heim joint steering info

Ron said:
Im not being funny. Think this through.

When does a tie rod have the most stress on it?


When is it hardest to turn?

If you have ever driven a car without power steering you know this. Its hard as hell to turn at a stop and easy to turn while driving at really any speed.
So if it breaks it will do so while stopped, not moving. Then you are just sitting still. No harm no foul.

Rock on
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Maybe so but I like not being a trail plug since I get enough crap already so if this "did" happen, I wouldn't hear the end of it and might even get jumped...who knows but don't wanna find out.
 
shawn said:
Does the pitman arm clear the spring when it's turned hard driver and stuffed on the driver side?



He has no track bar. So when he's playing hill killer and slides the passenger tire into the bank, the drag link takes the load.
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Yes it clears and a track bar was in the plans for extra support when researching the "front leaf" build
 
No one is going to JUMP you...this isnt that kind of crowd or sport.

Secondly I am starting to think you just dont like advice.
10 people told you it wouldnt work and you argue it will. I tell you it will be fine and you argue it wont.
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Starting to think this might work better...I think Jody pages back said it was an "ok" idea but u get more slack in steering..but would eliminate bends and one straight piece
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Ron said:
if it breaks it will do so while stopped, not moving. Then you are just sitting still.
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How many people can you think of that got killed on the trail? Most of the ones I can think of were either in camp or on the way back to camp.
 
Ron said:
No one is going to JUMP you...this isnt that kind of crowd or sport.

Secondly I am starting to think you just dont like advice.
10 people told you it wouldnt work and you argue it will. I tell you it will be fine and you argue it wont.
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I don't mind advise Ron, I need/prefer advise according to my limits/part/and availability.
I bought these heims with plans to run the drawing I just put up since its a popular way on the web search but that idea was pretty much turned down...so here I am trying to make use of those same parts and make something works that maybe isn't "favored" but could hold up, that's all
 
shawn said:
How many people can you think of that got killed on the trail? Most of the ones I can think of were either in camp or on the way back to camp.
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Yeah maybe true but being in middle/top of a trail with broke steering would suck with line of traffic behind cause that would take forever to move out...when I broke axle shafts, even Tcase in half, still drove out daily quick to get out of peoples way. I respect trail manners for others as much as possible, try to anyways
 
John,
I mean this with all sincerity. I want you to be successful and have fun.
But there is an old saying, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results."

Now lets look at you and this build.
You ran out and bought a set of axles because they looked like a good deal without research.
Then you realized after much head banging here that in retrospect it probably wasnt a good purchase. But its what you have so you are struggling to make it work and not spend too much money on it.
Then you decided you wanted heim joint steering. So you ran out and bought heims without researching what you were buying. Now you are trying to alter your idea to make it work. And at best it will be a compromise.

If you would have slowed the fuck down you could have bought a better axle ready to go for the money you have dumped here.

Now please do me a favor. Before you reply and tell me how dumb I am and how you do things different and how you do things cheap. Please re read what I posted above 1 additional time.
 
shawn said:
How many people can you think of that got killed on the trail? Most of the ones I can think of were either in camp or on the way back to camp.
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Exactly. At speed. And we have already determined his set up will only break at a stop.
So he wont die.
Thats good.
 
Ron said:
John,
I mean this with all sincerity. I want you to be successful and have fun.
But there is an old saying, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results."

Now lets look at you and this build.
You ran out and bought a set of axles because they looked like a good deal without research.
Then you realized after much head banging here that in retrospect it probably wasnt a good purchase. But its what you have so you are struggling to make it work and not spend too much money on it.
Then you decided you wanted heim joint steering. So you ran out and bought heims without researching what you were buying. Now you are trying to alter your idea to make it work. And at best it will be a compromise.

If you would have slowed the fuck down you could have bought a better axle ready to go for the money you have dumped here.

Now please do me a favor. Before you reply and tell me how dumb I am and how you do things different and how you do things cheap. Please re read what I posted above 1 additional time.
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Exactly on point..so we are where we are. Is there no way to use what I have to make a drag link for this thing
 
So nobody responded..this won't work either
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I dont understand your top drawing.
Where will it connect
 
marty79 said:
Exactly on point..so we are where we are. Is there no way to use what I have to make a drag link for this thing
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In simple terms, no.
marty79 said:
So nobody responded..this won't work either
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Because that's just lines on cardboard with no reference as to what the fuck we're looking at. Need reference points or labels or something to clue us into what you're trying to convey.

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If the drawing what I think it may be, which looks to be an extremely tall vertical member welded/attached to the tie rod with the drag link connected up top. Then no that will not work, it won't clear the leaf full lock to the driver side. Plus it will have a dead spot the size of texas from the roll in the heims.

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Chris_Keziah said:
If the drawing what I think it may be, which looks to be an extremely tall vertical member welded/attached to the tie rod with the drag link connected up top. Then no that will not work, it won't clear the leaf full lock to the driver side. Plus it will have a dead spot the size of texas from the roll in the heims.

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Yeah u got it, that's what I was drawing..so back to drawing board then
 
Chris_Keziah said:
If the drawing what I think it may be, which looks to be an extremely tall vertical member welded/attached to the tie rod with the drag link connected up top. Then no that will not work, it won't clear the leaf full lock to the driver side. Plus it will have a dead spot the size of texas from the roll in the heims.

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What if I didn't use heim joint on lower linkwhere connects to tie rod bracket
 
Ok how bout this wheel turned all the way driver and make brackets off tie rod to that joint then straight up to pitman arm...not a bad angle and seems pretty good clearance and angle...gotta be much better than my Z bar setup
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That is literally no different than your drawing.

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marty79 said:
What if I didn't use heim joint on lower linkwhere connects to tie rod bracket
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Doesn't matter if it's a tie rod end or heim, it's still gonna roll about like a fat pig in the mud when you try to turn. Granted there are ways to prevent it but none of them will prevent it for your proposed set up.

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marty79 said:
Its flexed out already
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No you're at full(ish) droop. Need to articulate the suspension so you hit full bump on one side and full droop on the other. Then repeat the opposite.

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Chris_Keziah said:
No you're at full(ish) droop. Need to articulate the suspension so you hit full bump on one side and full droop on the other. Then repeat the opposite.

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Should I even bother though since u say it would steer horrible
 
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