Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

If you could only vote for one or the other, who would it be?

  • Hillary Clinton

  • Donald Trump

  • Gary Johnson

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Cruz, Trump, whoever... I'll support whoever gets the nomination because I know that there isn't ever a perfect candidate and whoever they choose will be better than Sanders or Clinton.


You know each candidate (Carson, Paul, Rubio, etc) thinks they are the best but will ultimately support whoever gets the nomination. Why would we not do the same? If we continue to be divided and argue amongst ourselves, the scrubs will win. We better stop arguing amongs ourselves and start to come together or Clinton will end up being elected. :(
 
rockcity said:
Cruz, Trump, whoever... I'll support whoever gets the nomination because I know that there isn't ever a perfect candidate and whoever they choose will be better than Sanders or Clinton.


You know each candidate (Carson, Paul, Rubio, etc) thinks they are the best but will ultimately support whoever gets the nomination. Why would we not do the same? If we continue to be divided and argue amongst ourselves, the scrubs will win. We better stop arguing amongs ourselves and start to come together or Clinton will end up being elected. :(
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Forgive me because I slept through a lot of my Government classes in High School, but I have never understood this whole caucus thing. Seems to me, you put your hat in the ring at first (as about 12 -15 do every time) and as states have their caucuses, people drop out like flies if they didn't get enough votes for that state. I know that some states have higher amounts of people in them that do the voting, so some states are worth more than others, but why drop out after only one or two states. Mike Huckabee was still on my ballot at the NC primary even though he dropped out weeks (maybe months) ago. I'd have voted for him, but he's already thrown in the towel. So what happens to a vote that someone casts in the NC primary for Huckabee? Does it automatically go to Trump since he has endorsed his candidacy? Or is it tossed in the trash since they are no longer in the race?

I think the primary thing would be a lot more accurate if they did them all on the same day across the country like they do the elections (aside from early voting, of course). That way, you don't have candidates playing math games trying to score enough points with only certain voters just to get the nomination. I don't like Iowa being so damn important to the election of my president. I've been to Iowa. I've seen how they live and what they do.
 
I agree they should all be the same day.

It's funny when you look at the primary numbers, more people voted for " no preference" than Jebb Bush lol

And Ben carson had over 5K votes even though he has been out for a month..
 
rockcity said:
Cruz, Trump, whoever... I'll support whoever gets the nomination because I know that there isn't ever a perfect candidate and whoever they choose will be better than Sanders or Clinton.


You know each candidate (Carson, Paul, Rubio, etc) thinks they are the best but will ultimately support whoever gets the nomination. Why would we not do the same? If we continue to be divided and argue amongst ourselves, the scrubs will win. We better stop arguing amongs ourselves and start to come together or Clinton will end up being elected. :(
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This go around its vote for who ever isn't Hillary
 
92_SquareEye said:
You'll find me over at Gary's place. As more and more become disenchanted with their party, their candidate and the entire two-party BS system, the Libertarian Party is happy to accept refugees from the other failed campaigns.....
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Pretty sure that's where I'll end up. The source of most of the current political "problems" seems from the 2 party system.
 
I'm not a fan of the Libertarian party and I think most of their ideal are just that, unattainable unrealistic ideals.... but at the moment, unless something really unexpected happens I'll be voting for Gary just out of principle. Unless the Objectivist Party can get a candidate in ;-).
Current 2 party system sux ballz.
 
And yes, I SO MUCH WISH primaries were ALL run on teh same day.
Imagine.. the primary voting/runnoff season could be over quickly, not drawn out for 9 months, dominating everything we hear about. No other country spends so much time and money just building up to elections.

Why don't they do it that way? One, Iowa and the other early states have a lot of "power" now, they aren't going to be eager to give that up. Lets face it they are a very very small % of the total and this is pretty much the only way Iowa has any influence on the election. Second (probably bigger) it's just way easier for the candidates to work it this way, they can plan out a strategy in serial order, going to one or two states at a time. With everything on one day, you'd have to have a nation-wide campaign from the get-go. They'd have to just focus on the big population centers where the most votes are. This would also be a lot more expensive and require a larger workforce.
Now all that said, with the way today's media works, now that we have easy, instant access to what is going on anywhere in the country, 24-7 news etc it's much easier to reach people nationwide than it used to be.
Personally I think the election season should just be waaay shorter. In Canada, England and a lot of other countries the PM can call an election at any time, or by default at the end of their tenure, and they generally have voting day it within a few months afterwards.
Just get it the fawk over with, stop wasting so much time and money, and move the fawk on with running the country.

Imagine for a second if all the time, energy and MONEY spent on elections were actually used for making the government run instead?
 
RatLabGuy said:
I'm not a fan of the Libertarian party and I think most of their ideal are just that, unattainable unrealistic ideals.... but at the moment, unless something really unexpected happens I'll be voting for Gary just out of principle. Unless the Objectivist Party can get a candidate in ;-).
Current 2 party system sux ballz.
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The problem with this idea is that it will essentially take votes from the GOP. By voting for someone other than the GOP you are essitentially voting for the Dems.

I understand voting another way on principal but you first must understand the results your non GOP vote and if that will actually solve anything.

I think you can vote GOP to win the battle (and survive to fight another day) and spend the next 4-8 years growing your ideals. If not, it's nearly a guaranteed demise of America as we know it if the Dems have 4-8 more years with the proposed candidates.
 
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RatLabGuy said:
Imagine for a second if all the time, energy and MONEY spent on elections were actually used for making the government run instead?
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I do, every single day.

The system is so F'd up and stupid people are still arguing about one party or the other. They are the same. The SAME. There is no difference! They are all out for the same thing, and the stupid people keep giving it to them election after election....
 
rockcity said:
The problem with this idea is that it will essentially take votes from the GOP. By voting for someone other than the GOP you are essitentially voting for the Dems.

I understand voting another way on principal but you first must understand the results your non GOP vote and if that will actually solve anything.

I think you can vote GOP to win the battle (and survive to fight another day) and spend the next 4-8 years growing your ideals. If not, it's nearly a guaranteed demise of America as we know it if the Dems have 4-8 more years with the proposed candidates.
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But that assumes that my goal is for the GOP to win.
It is not. To me that is still losing both the battle and the war.
My goal is to have somebody in office that I like. Or, since that's pretty much impossible, somebody I do not hate.
If I hate the GOP candidate, I am not going to vote for him. If I vote for the GOP candidate just b/c I consider him the lesser of two evils, then that still sends the message that the guy I hate must be OK b/c I voted for him.

The problem is that your thinking is what leaves 2-party politics in power and there being little incentive for them (the GOP, or any party) to dramatically change. All they have to do is be hated *just a little* less than the other guy.

Perhaps part of the difference is that I fundamentally believe Trump to be at least as, if not more catastrophically damaging for us than Hillary would be.
 
RatLabGuy said:
But that assumes that my goal is for the GOP to win.
It is not. To me that is still losing both the battle and the war.
My goal is to have somebody in office that I like. Or, since that's pretty much impossible, somebody I do not hate.
If I hate the GOP candidate, I am not going to vote for him. If I vote for the GOP candidate just b/c I consider him the lesser of two evils, then that still sends the message that the guy I hate must be OK b/c I voted for him.

The problem is that your thinking is what leaves 2-party politics in power and there being little incentive for them (the GOP, or any party) to dramatically change. All they have to do is be hated *just a little* less than the other guy.

Perhaps part of the difference is that I fundamentally believe Trump to be at least as, if not more catastrophically damaging for us than Hillary would be.
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To each their own I guess.


To add...

Trump had thrown his hat in the ring multiple times in the past and was mostly laughed off.

By him now being the GOP front runner is proof the voting public is ready for something new and not the same ol politician.

Gary has an opportunity but this just isnt his year. With the popularity of the non-traditional politician for the GOP nomination, the next several years are prime for an alternative candidate. But, it's not going to happen this election for Gary.

Come back stronger next election with some more attention and really have a presence.

I think voting for an alternative candidate in the main election for "principle" even knowing it would split the GOP votes and essentially vote in Hillary is insane (unless you truly don't care who wins..)

Use the next several years to work in principle to make your candidate more viable in the main election.

Otherwise we all will be broke and forced on govt support while the Dems give all our hard earned $ to the illegals and lazy.
 
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Very well put RockCity, thank you for breaking it down. The system is F'd up, but no need for common sense people being divided because we don't have the "best" candidate. In my mind, as the situation is, vote Trump or continue to be sodomized by the dems, illegals, and lazy. I work, and work hard, as I am sure as most of the NC4x4 community does, and I'm tired of it being taken away from me.
 
Taken from another site but thought it would fit here.

15 Things that I trust more than Fräulein Fürher Hilary:

* Mexican tap water
* A rattlesnake with a "pet me" sign
* OJ Simpson showing me his knife collection
* A fart when I have diarrhea
* An elevator ride with Ray Rice
* Taking pills offered by Bill Cosby
* Michael Jackson's Doctor
* An Obama Nuclear deal with Iran
* A Palestinian on a motorcycle
* Gas station Sushi
* A Jimmy Carter economic plan
* Brian Williams news reports
* Obama's so-called Birth Certificate
* Prayers for peace from Al Sharpton
* An Indian guy telling me he really does have an IT degree
 
Looks like it is going to be Trump vs Clinton
 
The way I see it, a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for hillary. Dividing the votes that hurt more than help. The Democrats always through their support behind whoever their nomination is. Republicans to not be the same way. Republican are divided among themselves. Republicans are going to lose unless we actually come together for once.

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The way I see it, a vote for Clinton OR Trump is a vote for the establishment, the same establishment that made them who they are, and the same establishment they will continue to feed once they are in power. Sure, they are on different sides of the "spectrum", but its a very narrow spectrum of massive parasitic federalism.
 
I wonder how much more traffic Gary Johnson's website has gotten today.
 
jeepinmatt said:
The way I see it, a vote for Clinton OR Trump is a vote for the establishment, the same establishment that made them who they are, and the same establishment they will continue to feed once they are in power. Sure, they are on different sides of the "spectrum", but its a very narrow spectrum of massive parasitic federalism.
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They aren't even really on very different ends of the spectrum. Trump isn't conservative by any stretch, he's just playing along to fit in the party.
It's basically a choice now between a crook, or a guy that has no clue what he's doing or getting into.
Or Gary, who at least has a plan and some real experience actually being the outsider and still getting shit done.
 
RatLabGuy said:
Or Gary, who at least has a plan and some real experience actually being the outsider and still getting shit done.
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Who has no realistic chance to win. I wonder though if things might change this time, however I highly doubt it. What happens to the Republican party now will be very interesting.
 
sgtbriangreen said:
I would vote for ghonaherpacyphalaids before I would vote for hillary.
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its 'herpaghonacyphalaids' and WHERE did you hear that? I was saying that back in the 90's
 
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