Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

If you could only vote for one or the other, who would it be?

  • Hillary Clinton

  • Donald Trump

  • Gary Johnson

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DSM Turbos said:
Who has no realistic chance to win. I wonder though if things might change this time, however I highly doubt it. What happens to the Republican party now will be very interesting.
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Same thing was said about Trump and Sanders, too. Sanders is effectively out, but has had a helluva run and is definitely making an impact either way.
If everybody has the same attitude and nobody is willing to vote for the underdog out of fear of loss, then things will never change. This is exactly have the 2 main parties stay charge of everything.

Being realistic, no, I don't think Gary has a true chance, but that won't keep me from voting my conscience, in hopes that it at least sets the stage better for next time.

(I'm generally not a libertarian but right now it's the least bad option I see)
 
my conscience tells me that if we dont vote for the republican then we WILL get hillary... and after 8 more years of her after obama there will be nothing left of America to vote for...


i understand that whomever the republican is isnt any better, but this isnt the time to go trying to change this 2 party system we have... what is at stake is just too great right now to risk it...

they are going to give the win to this bitch on a silver platter anyhow....
 
jeepguy242 said:
my conscience tells me that if we dont vote for the republican then we WILL get hillary... and after 8 more years of her after obama there will be nothing left of America to vote for...


i understand that whomever the republican is isnt any better, but this isnt the time to go trying to change this 2 party system we have... what is at stake is just too great right now to risk it...

they are going to give the win to this bitch on a silver platter anyhow....
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This is the thinking that has kept the 2 party system in dominance. Allow me to paraphrase your post:
Vote against Hillary or the country will die
Trump and Hillary are the same
Now is not the time to try and change things
The risk is too great
Hillary is going to win no matter what

I see a lot of irony here. And please don't take this personally, as I have many friends and my own father who are thinking with the "vote against Hillary" mindset. But what most people will concede is that Trump and Hillary are not that different, but that they are vehemently against Hillary. They agree neither party represents them well, but then will say a vote 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. But if Trump is remotely comparable to Hillary, then is voting for him really a vote against her?

I personally will be voting 3rd party BECAUSE the stakes are too great. The system cannot continue with the current leadership path. I consider it a vote against Clinton, a vote against Trump, and a vote FOR liberty and the principles that this country was founded on.
 
jeepinmatt said:
Trump and Hillary are the same
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No, Hillary tells lies that the country wants to hear. Trump tells the truth that they don't want to hear. All else equal.


I've always wondered if one of the early runner/drop out candidates (Chris Christie for example) could be put in as a write in candidate on the ballot and if so how? I know he was still on my primary ballot even though he had "dropped out" or suspended his campaign back then. I suck at all things Government. Should have stayed awake in that class more.
 
After reading a LOT of literature on both sides I say FUCK THEM ALL and overthrow the system by just giving it to General (ret) James N. Mattis!! The man is a legend, and I say that knowing he is a jarhead and I'm a career Army man.
 
After the election is over, it won't matter. Life will go on. All of the people saying they are going to move to Canada will get up and go to work at the same job and come home and sit on the same couch.
 
jeepinmatt said:
This is the thinking that has kept the 2 party system in dominance. Allow me to paraphrase your post:
Vote against Hillary or the country will die
Trump and Hillary are the same
Now is not the time to try and change things
The risk is too great
Hillary is going to win no matter what

I see a lot of irony here. And please don't take this personally, as I have many friends and my own father who are thinking with the "vote against Hillary" mindset. But what most people will concede is that Trump and Hillary are not that different, but that they are vehemently against Hillary. They agree neither party represents them well, but then will say a vote 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. But if Trump is remotely comparable to Hillary, then is voting for him really a vote against her?

I personally will be voting 3rd party BECAUSE the stakes are too great. The system cannot continue with the current leadership path. I consider it a vote against Clinton, a vote against Trump, and a vote FOR liberty and the principles that this country was founded on.
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this is why i said I'm probably going to vote sanders and help burn it down faster.... did you see my second post...


do you really feel that the 2 party system will ever go away...
 
ManglerYJ said:
No, Hillary tells lies that the country wants to hear. Trump tells the truth that they don't want to hear. All else equal.


I've always wondered if one of the early runner/drop out candidates (Chris Christie for example) could be put in as a write in candidate on the ballot and if so how? I know he was still on my primary ballot even though he had "dropped out" or suspended his campaign back then. I suck at all things Government. Should have stayed awake in that class more.
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You are to caught up in the circus. Take a step back and you'll realize all the candidates are pretty much the same. Fake tax plans that won't work, big talk no action. All establishment members. We had had a chance to vote for a guy who had real plans, real genuine change that represented the constitution like no other candidate. But the establishment sent a message to the ignorant side of the republican fan base "a vote for Ron paul, is a vote for Obama " lol

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jeepinmatt said:
This is the thinking that has kept the 2 party system in dominance. Allow me to paraphrase your post:
Vote against Hillary or the country will die
Trump and Hillary are the same
Now is not the time to try and change things
The risk is too great
Hillary is going to win no matter what

I see a lot of irony here. And please don't take this personally, as I have many friends and my own father who are thinking with the "vote against Hillary" mindset. But what most people will concede is that Trump and Hillary are not that different, but that they are vehemently against Hillary. They agree neither party represents them well, but then will say a vote 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. But if Trump is remotely comparable to Hillary, then is voting for him really a vote against her?

I personally will be voting 3rd party BECAUSE the stakes are too great. The system cannot continue with the current leadership path. I consider it a vote against Clinton, a vote against Trump, and a vote FOR liberty and the principles that this country was founded on.
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mysterync said:
You are to caught up in the circus. Take a step back and you'll realize all the candidates are pretty much the same. Fake tax plans that won't work, big talk no action. All establishment members. We had had a chance to vote for a guy who had real plans, real genuine change that represented the constitution like no other candidate. But the establishment sent a message to the ignorant side of the republican fan base "a vote for Ron paul, is a vote for Obama " lol

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While I like and somewhat agree with both of these, it is truly an insurmountable task with the 2 party system as we know it. Even if the 3rd party candidate won the popular vote, they could still not win any electoral college votes. for the most part, they would need to win FL, PA, and OH, and then take a big chunk of other red/blue states.

With the run he is having this year, I think Bernie could be the guy to come closest as a 3rd party. Most of the time, the other parties are hoping to gen enough popular votes so they can run again in 4 yrs.

This video is cheesy but has some good info in it:
 
LBarr2002 said:
And academia is dominated by liberals so you wouldn't want to hear what they were teaching anyway...
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Those who CAN, do. Those who can't, teach at a college

Based only on my own personal experience...this has proven to be more accurate than not.
 
mysterync said:
While we're talking liberals and conservatives our politicians are laughing. There are no party lines, those terms are for keeping Americans divided lol

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When I was a freshman in college (14 years ago), I and 2 of my roommates were engineering students from SC. The 4th was a Political Science major from upstate NY. I assure you our views were very different, and he was a sponge soaking up everything his professors said. The rest of us had to give him the other side of the story on everything. We converted him pretty quickly...
 
paradisePWoffrd said:
Even if the 3rd party candidate won the popular vote, they could still not win any electoral college votes.
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exactly....

the electoral college serves absolutely no purpose today... it was established because there was no other way to count the popular vote... now with computers and technology it is time we get rid of it and start using popular vote to elect our officials...

gubmint dont want that because having it this way with the delegates and "super delegates" with the electoral college just lets a candidate who did not get the popular vote win and lets them put into office who they want....

our vote truly doesnt matter
 
If Trump does get the nod, I'm curious if there is going. to be a movement for one of the other current Republican mainstays to make a run as an independent and try to pull other former Repubs behind them - basically bail on the "new face" of the party and consider this a rebirth.
There's a whole bunch in the "NeverTrump" crowd looking for a new home
 
I feel like the Repub party right now is a lot like Smith at the end of The Matrix...


suddenly realizing they made a catastrophic mistake that will be their demise
 
[tin hat] My biggest fear is, whichever evil we have elected in the fall not being able to be sworn in come January due to some interference from an outside source unhappy with the outcome of the election, and some kind of executive order allowing the current administration to progress into a 3rd term during this time of confusion. [/tin hat]
 
CasterTroy said:
[tin hat] My biggest fear is, whichever evil we have elected in the fall not being able to be sworn in come January due to some interference from an outside source unhappy with the outcome of the election, and some kind of executive order allowing the current administration to progress into a 3rd term during this time of confusion. [/tin hat]
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It helps to know the Constitution; that will avoid needing that hat.
The President is limited to 2 terms via the Constitution, amendment 22.
So there is NO WAY that an executive order can allow Obama to stay in power. He would have to get an amendment. and there isn't enough time for that to happen.
 
does the constition also not say "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Yet you have to jump through hoops to attain a gun. Is that not infringing....
 
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